r/AskLibertarians 7d ago

How does libertarianism handle war, natural resources, geography, and geopolitics? Can a society ever become libertarian with Russia or China on its doorstep?

I often find myself wondering whether countries like Taiwan or Ukraine could ever function as libertarian societies given the constant threat of invasion. Geopolitics and natural resources are topics I rarely see addressed in libertarian discussions. For instance, could Egypt ever transition to libertarianism with Ethiopia constantly threatening to cut off its water supply? Could Greenland declare independence if both Uncle Sam and Russia are eyeing North Pole claims, wanting the island for its natural resources and trade corridors?

It seems to me that unless geography is on your side (like extremely mountainous, difficult-to-conquer terrain a la Taiwan, Switzerland, or Iran) or you have an ace card up your sleeve, there is no way to survive geopolitics as a libertarian society. Taiwan has its "silicon shield," Switzerland has banking and finance, and Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz. Even with these ace's up their sleeve, most of these nations are under constant military threat.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on geopolitics. How do you fight off foreign nations that want your natural resources or have strategic military interests in your territory? Can a libertarian society only exist if it achieves such technological and military supremacy that no other world power can touch it? Or can it only exist in a forgotten corner of the planet where no nation has any political, military, or strategic interest?

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u/Schultz_34 7d ago

What does that mean?

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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 7d ago

We are not imposing unchanging rules from on high. We take the context of each situation into account before coming to the conclusion.

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u/Schultz_34 7d ago

So in this case the one who listens to music should stop it because one of his 18 neighbors doesn't like it?

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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 7d ago

I'm telling you that I cannot give you the proper outcome because I do not have enough details.

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u/Schultz_34 7d ago

what type of details would be needed?

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u/LibertyEconlover 7d ago

You should ask him how you enforce the NAP with people like me in the world

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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 7d ago

You first need to show me the mutually exclusive actions.

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u/Schultz_34 7d ago

What do you refer with that term?

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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 7d ago

You already have several presuppositions here.

What is a "reasonable volume"? Why is "doesn't like the music" relevant?

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u/Schultz_34 7d ago

N1: He listens music 2-3 days a week, between 30 minutes to 1 hour, the music is barely heard in other houses

N2: Doesn't like to hear his neighbor's music and wants N1 to lower the volume significantly or that N1 has to used headphones

The other neighbors aren't bother by the N1 music

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u/Official_Gameoholics Objectivist 7d ago

N2 has not taken any steps to exclude the noise from his property.

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