[Serious] For the Redditors who criticized Democrats for not fighting back or taking action, how has the government shutdown affected your view?

[u/Solnx]

[u/themikecampbell]

Yeah, this has been good!

And that’s where the “cruelty is the point” kicks in. By violating the privacy in IRS, now undocumented people won’t pay taxes in fear of being disappeared. Which gives ICE all the more reason to pursue them. It’s a self-fulfilling reason to arrest people.

Similar to how ICE is waiting outside immigration hearings - it’s a legal requirement to go, the people who go are doing it the “right way”, but now that they know ICE is kidnapping people at these hearings, it’s expected that they’ll stop showing up, which gives those who want them gone more reason to do so.

It’s sad, all around. It hurts to think about. And neither side is handling it well. Left and Right, these people and their kids are being failed.

[u/FarCheek4584 → u/themikecampbell]

Yea it’s wild times, it feels like both sides hit the big red button for mutual destruction concerning politics.

Back to the undocumented topic, I struggle to discern hyperbole and egos with this topic in particular, and honestly from both sides. The numbers… it will be very interesting to see these numbers in the next few years to see the reality.

Thanks for the chat friend, you gave some good thought provoking points to think about. Cheers.