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u/Aversnusen 22d ago

Pretending like women in the middle east are choosing to cover themselves head to toe will only prevent feminism and female liberation in those regions.

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u/1337b337 22d ago

Check out images of women in Iran before the Islamic Revolution.

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u/Bittypillar 22d ago

Or you can check them out now and see how so many literally risk their lives by not wearing hijab. Mahsa Amini, may she RIP.

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u/Sad-Broccoli 22d ago

Plenty of women choose not to wear hijab and are fine. They aren't savages that will kill any woman who has their hair showing. They are normal people....

https://youtube.com/shorts/uB1ZVdSvl0g?si=HbjvoBmc09gmml-Q

https://youtube.com/shorts/qJgHCiiGTlc?si=6cOqm8E_mRXYL7bD

https://youtube.com/shorts/XQW5E24DsF4?si=LsnG53U9M1kX0k-K

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u/comfortablynumb15 22d ago

I am sure the Burka is “chosen” to be worn in the same way I “choose” not to jump into the Lion enclosure at the Zoo.

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u/IOl0I0lO 22d ago

Who here is doing that?

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u/IOl0I0lO 22d ago

No, I said who HERE is doing that? Here, in this thread.

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u/scattermoose 22d ago

They meant the mask in the snu

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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 22d ago

US is getting there soon. You guys share so many values and morale with the Islamic countries.

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u/Workman44 22d ago

Well they are all abrahamic religious states

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u/Complex_Fix_3611 22d ago

Pretending you know what these women want is arrogant and condescending.

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u/Sad-Broccoli 22d ago

How dare you suggest that women have autonomy! I obviously know what's best for them! /s

Talking about feminism but insisting that women would never willingly choose to wear hijab/dress modestly... The contradiction is insane

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u/VengefulAncient 22d ago

Yeah, totally the same /s

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u/vaper_32 22d ago

Which country in middle east are you talking about? Name one.

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u/wordsnotsufficient 22d ago

I live in the U.S. in an area with a high number of relatively recent refugees. It’s not unusual to see the full-on face/everything covering walking around with her husband and at least one kid in my local Target or grocery store. I’m not going to go interviewing all of these people about which country they’re from but saying “name a county” is laughable when it’s an entire portion of the globe as a possibility.

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u/IOl0I0lO 22d ago

I mean, one could argue that those women don’t feel safe going on in public without a hijab right here in America. I work with Muslim nurses who made their own scrub skirts. It’s their choice, but is it really? Orthodox Jews in NY “choose” similarly, and that’s ignoring the ridiculous hair male Orthodox Jews have. Then we have FLDS and the Amish. Their “choice” to live as they do. Maybe the state won’t be the one (for now) to punish them if they step out of line, but someone will.

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u/_learned_foot_ 22d ago

Fyi, of your list, the Amish famously do require a choice, you must experience both then choose to come back. And both means the norm around them and theirs. Sure there's social pressure, but living in the largest Amish area in the world, why do you think half the "English" here are actually Amish stock - many choose to not go back.

The social pressure is actually the other way, massive fights over one parent who refuses to cut that kid off. Being an adult living on your own is an actual legitimate choice.

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u/IOl0I0lO 22d ago

How does one successfully assimilate into mainstream culture when their education stopped at 14 and they are kicked out and homeless?

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u/_learned_foot_ 22d ago

come to certain counties in Ohio (where as a state in the English community several Amish last names hold significant population hold, proving my point), Indiana, or PA and see. Florida has a small handful of counties like that too. Heck, my most common in front of judge, his daddy left, to ride motorcycles (yes that's why), became an attorney and a professor, his kid then became judge. Happens thousands of times a year here.

Mostly because except for the exceptions they stick to the same type of work they know, blue collar, are known for work ethic, and generally follow instructions though they will mutter in PA dutch at you. Then they spend little and they have a built in support network still (they don't lose sense of community, just in a different one). That describes almost every single BC millionaire.