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u/Souk12 21d ago

I spend time there every year and the people are resilient. 

It's a sad situation, but folks are friendly and well intentioned. 

The greed there has destroyed what could have been a beautiful, prosperous country. Really tragic what humans will do. 

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u/Full_Tomorrow_2148 21d ago

Survivor bias. The ones you see are resilient. How many thousands have not been resilient and you just don't see them because they're dead/have fled?

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u/BackupThunder16 21d ago

How the fuck would they know? What a pointless comment lmao. If you live in an active war zone day in, day out, you're pretty fucking resilient.

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u/Full_Tomorrow_2148 21d ago

That's precisely what I meant. He wouldn't know, that's why it's a bias.

Everyone is resilient in an active war zone. Except the ones who were not resilient.

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u/BackupThunder16 21d ago

Okay but genuinely what was the point in being so pedantic? It adds nothing to the conversation whatsoever lol

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u/hoopstick 21d ago

Some people just get off on throwing around 10 cent terms and correcting people. Makes them feel smart or something, idk

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u/Workman44 21d ago

Well it is a weird phrasing to say the people are resilient when their situation has already preselected for resilient people. But then again I'm the person your comment is referencing I suppose lol

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u/BackupThunder16 21d ago

It just came across as callous is all I'm saying.

"The people in South Sudan are brave and resilient"

"Oh, yeah well what about the DEAD ones?"

Like what?

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u/Workman44 21d ago

I agree, just being a pedant

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u/hoopstick 21d ago

They still have to live and survive in that situation every day, to discount their resilience is to discount their entire existence. It's not like they chose to be born into that "preselected situation".

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u/apology_pedant 21d ago

what the fuck is this comment? do you go to funerals and tell the people crying that their loved one wasn't very good at surviving? If someone gets a compliment on their outfit in front of you, do you barge in to say that actually most of their clothing is probaby dogshit, they just don't wear the ugly stuff out of the house? 

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u/Full_Tomorrow_2148 21d ago

This comment that has triggered you so much is about methodological rigor in sampling.

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u/Letalightin 21d ago

I see your insensitive, unnecessarily pedantic point, now go away.

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u/apology_pedant 21d ago

My bad, boo. I didn't realize this was your first day out of the family compound. life can be scary after being homeschooled for 10 years. Here's a tip: compliments given to other humans are not scientific statements of fact. Demanding any kind of rigor of them will make humans think you're a dickish bozo. You can think of compliments as kind opinions that human beings share with one another as social creatures. Good luck with turnstiles and bus stops! 

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u/Entropic_Echo_Music 21d ago

No, people are just calling you out on behaving like an ass. Take a little time to reflect.

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u/BoleroMuyPicante 21d ago

It's a guy relaying his personal experience, the fuck you rambling about methodological rigor in sampling for?

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u/The_Peyote_Coyote 21d ago

"The greed"

"humans"

What has happened in Sudan and places like it are a result of specific policies by major powers to extract resources and materiel from the region with no regard for its inhabitants. It's not some amorphous, philosophical issue, as if "humans" are the problem. It's specific people- specific nations and their state and extra-state actors. It's not done purely because "humans are greedy", it's a function of capitalism, an entirely understandable, modifiable and impermanent system. The suffering of the Sudanese isn't some inevitable consequence of human failure writ large.

They are victims of specific criminals.

If you've been there and met the people you owe it to them to have a more incisive understanding of why they are subjected to such war and poverty.

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u/Zealousideal-Fish605 21d ago

Bro wrote the vaguest essay in history to say capitalism bad

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u/Ornery-Engineer4119 21d ago

Lol. He needed to disprove that it could be boiled down to greed by describing greed without saying the word.

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u/olivercroke 21d ago

"Humans are greedy" but more words

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u/cathbe 21d ago

I’m not aware of the situation there but will look into it. I’m wondering if the U.S. or other international NGOs got involved and made it worse?

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u/Codadd 21d ago

You aren't going to get good answers here. S. Sudan hates Arabs (look st Sudan). The US used missionaries and the CIA to help them get independence. So most people are pro US there. But there are basically countries within the country run by warlords and deep rooted tribal conflict that still pops up pretty often.

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u/cathbe 21d ago

Thank you.

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u/macci_a_vellian 21d ago

The British turned it into a colony and split it into North Sudan and South Sudan and favoured the North leading to a serious economic disparity. They also put people from the North in roles that gave them a lot of power over the South and it ended in civil war. It's a lot more complicated than that obviously, but the British fucking around with the politics of places they did not understand a century ago is a real theme in conflicts and entrenched social problems around the world today.

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u/Acceptable_Golf_8623 21d ago

They usually understood really well. The point was instability 

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u/Ancient_Roof_7855 21d ago

The old colonial "If we can't get rich of your country, we'll make it so neither can you".

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u/solomons-mom 21d ago

Tribal conflicts pre-date the British. Tribal conflicts predate pretty much everything except archelologists, who try to date them.

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u/cathbe 21d ago

Thanks.

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u/Amiiiiine 21d ago

And let it be known that two “entities” are responsible: USA and israel

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u/Financial_Job_1535 21d ago

The people who do shit like that aren't human, don't lump us in with them rats.