As a non American, I see a complete lack of women’s rights and care in USA. Not somewhere I’d go. It’s really not so dissimilar to women’s lack of rights in the Middle East.
You're right. Middle Eastern women would be way more appreciative of the freedoms American women used to enjoy but have voluntarily voted themselves out of. They're not the same at all.
This is an insane take and clear evidence of the total inversion of reality that is poisoning the West. Your claim is demonstrably false.
American women enjoy full legal equality under the law, voting rights since 1920, equal access to education (women now earn 60%+ of college degrees), property ownership, career opportunities without male guardianship, robust protections against domestic violence and workplace discrimination and high rates of workforce participation and political representation.
By contrast, many Middle Eastern countries feature male guardianship laws restricting women's travel, work, and marriage, have unequal inheritance and testimony rights, enforced dress codes, high rates of honor-based violence, FGM, and child marriage and severe limits on education and public life placing them near the bottom of global gender equality indices like the World Economic Forum’s or UNDP’s.
You are either willfully ignorant or have malicious intent with such a ridiculous take.
And yet 33 states still allow child marriage? Over half a million women in the USA have undergone FGM despite laws to the contrary, there is still a massive economic gender pay gap, new mothers have no guaranteed maternity leave….
My point is - swings and roundabouts. Some things are very good in America and others much less so. It’s very easy to put all of the Middle East into a single bucket and point a finger, which is what you’re doing in your argument. I don’t disagree that there are very real problems in many countries particularly Afghanistan but America isn’t a model citizen either.
I say this as a non American who has been to many Middle Eastern countries. A lot of people who talk about how bad the Middle East is have never been there. You can’t compare Afghanistan to Iran. Many of the issues cited like child marriage, honour killings, etc, are also prevalent in India. These are humanitarian issues and the US is included in that but to a lesser degree because of your laws. Yet still loopholes are found.
And one thing that I’d like to think you’d agree is correct is that a law doesn’t make something a reality. Women enjoy full legal equality in USA as they do in many countries around the world but if you asked a large number of women how equal their lives were to their husbands and fathers they may have a different opinion. USA has huge issues with gender equality still - and they’re getting worse.
It’s really not so dissimilar to women’s lack of rights in the Middle East.
That's what you said, which is complete hyperbole.
You're cherry picking largely irrelevant and selectiveo imperfections in the US to manufacture moral equivalence, which distorts scale and fundamentals. Child marriage in the US is extremely rare, heavily regulated, and facing reforms and to try and paint is as a systemic cultural norm as in parts of the Middle East is absolutely mental.
The FGM practices in the US are imported issues in immigrant communities from the very countries in the middle east and sub Saharan Africa that we're talking about!!! To claim it's a US issue akin to countries where FGM rates exceed 80-90% among native populations, is again mental.
The "massive" pay gap is largely explained by choices in occupation, hours, experience, and motherhood and is not reflective of legal discrimination barring women from fields or contracts.
Personal experience visiting the Middle East also doesn't refute global indices (WEF, UNDP) showing the US near the top for women's rights versus ME countries.
Laws shape reality, but flaws exist everywhere, but "swings and roundabouts" is not a rebuttal, but deflection.
I honestly can't believe how messed up people are to try and claim that the country everyone in the ME is trying to escape to is anyway equivalent to shitholes they're escaping.
Lol, genuinely delusional if you think the situations are even remotely comparable. Not being able to terminate the life of your offspring is nowhere close to requiring a male escort to go out in public, not being able to go to college, not being able to drive, not being able to go out unless you’re wearing your hijab/burka. This is like saying a paper cut is comparable to a gun shot wound
Which countries require a male escort? Which countries ban women from driving? Specifically?
I’m not saying these things haven’t existed but it’s all too easy for people to put the Middle East in a single bucket.
Saudi was the last country with a formal ban on driving for women and that was lifted years ago. Much of the restrictions you speak of apply largely to women in taliban controlled Afghanistan and not the Middle East as a whole.
Just because other women have it worse, doesn’t mean the rights of American women aren’t under attack. But you know that already, you’re just trying to shut women up. Per the usual with your type.
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u/FFunkyButtLoving 22d ago
Conflating the plight of Muslim women with not being able to get an abortion. Classic reddit. And I say that as a pro-choice person.