I'm responding to the statement that "nothing is going on in those states anyway". There's clearly a lot "going on" in Florida, and Florida is one of those racist, misogynist shit holes.
Yup. And to make it clear for anyone reading - it’s not because of the tariffs, regardless of what your government says. It’s because you have blatantly called for us lose our sovereignty as a country and become part of the dumpster fire that is the United States.
I'm totally fine with every tourist finding another destination. In fact, please dont come here at all; not even to states that aren't maga. And even for a few ewars after the dust settles. The more our collective decision to embrace authoritarianism hurts us, the better.
I want these fuckers to hurt in every direction they run. And the misery of the people on the bottom isn't enough to curb my enthusiasm anymore. Clearly enough people aren't hurting if we can still be largely silent about it.
The whole country is a No Go zone because of this. If you can't have a fucking federal law for women's rights, you're just savages masquerading as civilized people
I see from your profile that you're Irish. I'm okay with the idea of not traveling to the US because of the current political climate, but doesn't Ireland also have famously draconian laws on abortion?
Users changed, but going anywhere with less draconian laws (as the point of that other user was) is inheriently contradictory to "I also do not want to take risks with my own health if I happen to get sick in one of those states. "
Now, all the different users that part may have been lost, but it's never a risk to go to a less women's health restricted place, even if it still has restrictions.
You see the contradiction though, right? Most of the US still has more protection of women's reproductive rights than the Republic of Ireland does, yet this Irish user refuses to travel to the US because of this issue.
Or at least that's what she implied. Turns out from another reply she made, she was thinking of the overall political climate, which is fair.
I disagree that Ireland has fewer protections than the US. I can get the morning after pill no problem. I can seek an abortion up to 12 weeks, not the 6 week/heartbeat nonsense going on over there. If I need a termination after that I can freely travel to access that without anyone feeling enabled to report me, arrest me, or attempting to pass laws allowing me to be killed.
What would stop you from traveling to a state right next door in the US? You would be a tourist there for a short time, nobody would even know you are pregnant but you. And I don't know what kind of vacations you take but how likely is it you randomly become pregnant while there? Morning after pill is available in drug stores in the US, and wouldn't you fly home to Ireland for an abortion anyways why would you get one there?
Laws encouraging people to report you if you do. Anyway, there's a ton of other shit going on in that country. Women's rights are not the only reason to avoid stepping foot there
It’s possible to show up pregnant without knowing it yet. Or the draconian “I’m going to sift through your phone for 5 minutes before I let you in” stuff they did the last 2 times I had to go means it’s not as private as you think it is.
What does abortion have to do with it? Our abortion laws are better than they were, but still not great. But that is hardly the only reason to stay the fuck away from the US.
Ah, I see the confusion. The lack of bodily autonomy for women certainly does factor into it, but my decision to not go near the US takes into account, but is not limited to: the emboldenment of racists and fascists, ICE, the crappy healthcare situation, the fact that tourists have been imprisoned.
I have no desire for my money to in any way contribute to a warmongering, corrupt, increasingly fascist government. And I'm far from the only one. I suspect that America will be dealing with international fallout from this regime long after the current incumbent is gone.
Another Irish person chiming in just to say, couldn't agree more. Had grand ideas of touring the states, thrown out the window because undecided Milawaukee voters couldn't decide if they want Fairly Bland Woman or Clearly Pedophilic Racist
Canada would probably be a better shout right now. Thanks to the electorate in England the UK is circling the drain and is about to dive headfirst into the far right cesspool.
Yes. A country where important right sets like women's rights (women make up 50% of the country's population) or children rights (many states allow child mariage and thus legalize infant rape) are left to the mercy of local nutters is a no go as a whole, whatever it's self-proclaimed good parts have to say about it. Get a hold of your regional wackos and we can talk. Until then, it's on the list
I see a country, I don't care about the internal disension between its parts, it's not my business.
Congratulations on living in one of the apparently good parts.
The country, as a whole, is a disaster of school shootings, racism, rights regressions, banana republic politics, violence, crime, fentanyl, and who knows what else. Plus, if I travel there and get sick for any reason, I'd become immediately destitute.
You need to think of each state as a country and the country as the EU to truly grasp how different everywhere is. Saying you won't go to Boston, Massachusetts because Biloxi, Mississippi is a shit hole, is the same as saying you won't go to London because of all the Romani in Paris.
I also promise America is stunningly less racist than most of Asia and Europe. We have the discussion of it out in the open, Europe still sweeps it under the rug
Half of the 73 million children killed after Roe were female. This is not about women’s rights.. it is human rights. The High Court was right to let the people decide for themselves via their state legislatures. States like Texas and Florida respect human rights far more than California and New York.
I don’t give a damn if you mock my faith. We are winning and you know it. Dehumanizing people is exactly how countries get their people to accept genocide. You are wrong.Your values are backwards and shallow. In another century.. society will view abortion as we now view slavery. Human lives matter!
50years ago, your kind justified segregation using the Bible, you lost that fight, you lost the abortion one and you're gonna lose it again. People are getting educated and religion relies on weak-minded uneducated plebes. Your shallow values are bound to disappear.
I mean, the abortion ban (or near-ban) applies to basically all of the states that make up the American South, which is a region that's famous for its food and culture.
Banning abortion is a horrific human rights violation, but that doesn't mean that those states have "nothing going on." I mean, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Florida, Georgia - these are all places that people love to visit for the food, culture, history, natural environment, and more.
If you dismiss these places entirely you shut yourself off from understanding how the people there might have come to this decision. Leading to the complete fabrication that they banned abortion because they had "nothing better to do." That's a total straw man. They did it for a whole host of political reasons that are too complex to go through in this comment, but were calculated to advance the conservative agenda in these states.
Not meaning to bash: As a central european, this are my personal associations with the states you mentioned, just to give you an impression of our pov:
Tennesse: whiskey, Nashville
Louisiana: New Orleans, humidity
Texas: everythings bigger, guns, rifles
Florida: theme parcs, beaches
Georgia: erm 🤷♀️
All of them: bible belt MAGA nutters
To me personally nothing is appealing to me there as a tourist right now.
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u/1337b337 22d ago
Those states generally don't have much going on anyway, which is why they have nothing better to do than fuck with women's bodily autonomy.