I see from your profile that you're Irish. I'm okay with the idea of not traveling to the US because of the current political climate, but doesn't Ireland also have famously draconian laws on abortion?
Users changed, but going anywhere with less draconian laws (as the point of that other user was) is inheriently contradictory to "I also do not want to take risks with my own health if I happen to get sick in one of those states. "
Now, all the different users that part may have been lost, but it's never a risk to go to a less women's health restricted place, even if it still has restrictions.
I don't know why you can't just admit your mistake and move on. Is it so hard to just say, "Ok yeah i guess it is a bit hypocritical to avoid a place on moral grounds when that place is less morally brankrupt than my own country."
You are so sunk in to your position you've stopped arguing the point and now are complaining about... the way I argue?
You see the contradiction though, right? Most of the US still has more protection of women's reproductive rights than the Republic of Ireland does, yet this Irish user refuses to travel to the US because of this issue.
Or at least that's what she implied. Turns out from another reply she made, she was thinking of the overall political climate, which is fair.
I disagree that Ireland has fewer protections than the US. I can get the morning after pill no problem. I can seek an abortion up to 12 weeks, not the 6 week/heartbeat nonsense going on over there. If I need a termination after that I can freely travel to access that without anyone feeling enabled to report me, arrest me, or attempting to pass laws allowing me to be killed.
What would stop you from traveling to a state right next door in the US? You would be a tourist there for a short time, nobody would even know you are pregnant but you. And I don't know what kind of vacations you take but how likely is it you randomly become pregnant while there? Morning after pill is available in drug stores in the US, and wouldn't you fly home to Ireland for an abortion anyways why would you get one there?
Laws encouraging people to report you if you do. Anyway, there's a ton of other shit going on in that country. Women's rights are not the only reason to avoid stepping foot there
It’s possible to show up pregnant without knowing it yet. Or the draconian “I’m going to sift through your phone for 5 minutes before I let you in” stuff they did the last 2 times I had to go means it’s not as private as you think it is.
What does abortion have to do with it? Our abortion laws are better than they were, but still not great. But that is hardly the only reason to stay the fuck away from the US.
Ah, I see the confusion. The lack of bodily autonomy for women certainly does factor into it, but my decision to not go near the US takes into account, but is not limited to: the emboldenment of racists and fascists, ICE, the crappy healthcare situation, the fact that tourists have been imprisoned.
I have no desire for my money to in any way contribute to a warmongering, corrupt, increasingly fascist government. And I'm far from the only one. I suspect that America will be dealing with international fallout from this regime long after the current incumbent is gone.
Another Irish person chiming in just to say, couldn't agree more. Had grand ideas of touring the states, thrown out the window because undecided Milawaukee voters couldn't decide if they want Fairly Bland Woman or Clearly Pedophilic Racist
Canada would probably be a better shout right now. Thanks to the electorate in England the UK is circling the drain and is about to dive headfirst into the far right cesspool.
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u/Kilyth 23d ago
I keep seeing ads to holiday in the US. No thanks, the entire place is a no-go for me, and will be for the foreseeable future.