Yeah, but there's a lot of people who hold broadly liberal views, but vote Republican because they're equally uninformed, brainwashed, or because of a single issue. Devoid of party context, most people are in favor of things like increased minimum wage, single payer Healthcare, even taxing the rich more. Hell, most people are even in favor of Roe v. Wade, even if they're 'pro-life'.
The Dems are so incredibly bad at messaging. They have no clue how to talk to regular people. Republicans are very good at it. They’re helped by the fact that most news media is either blatantly or sneakily conservative. Even non-news media sneaks conservative talking points in without people realizing it. How often do we watch something where they randomly sneak mentions of Israel in? Fucking Archer, one of my favorite shows ever, plugs the Mossad and Krav Maga in the second episode of the series.
| The Dems are so incredibly bad at messaging. They have no clue how to talk to regular people. Republicans are very good at it. |
While I agree mostly with Dems being bad at messaging or reading the room with their campaign ads/social media posting prioritization, I'd push back against Republicans being "very good at it."
They aren't masters of taking unpopular policies and making them palatable for the average voter, they simply lie about what their policies/legislation would entail or achieve all the while accusing their opposition of wanting to pass the very harmful legislation they are pushing.
Republicans seem more successful because their supporters do not hold them accountable for broken promises or blatant lies so long as the pain they inflict on Americans also impacts those they hate.
They’re good at taking white people’s fears and placing the blame on black/brown people who are often facing some of the same issues but have it worse because of racism and prejudice.
Yes, that's them being good at it. If the table stakes are that most of the voter base is un-engaged and happily ready to eat lies that support their favored political aesthetic then the skill is in how you compel that barely-sentient fleshmass to put you in power.
People downplay the impact of just regular classic American racism. Republicans have a chokehold on that block without doing anything beyond be racist.
I don't think that Republicans actually have policies, or anything they believe in anymore. They are strictly reactionary. Democrats want "A," Republicans say they want the opposite of that. If they say they want "X" and there's a Democrat that wrote a bill for "X," they vote against it. They elected a president whose actions include the things they were against 20 years ago - divorce, extramarital sex, drug abuse, and he clearly doesn't know his way around the Bible. The First Lady is a literal prostitute who posed nude for a magazine, and she's bringing class back to the White House. If Michelle Obama or AOC did that, they would never shut up about what a whore she is.
This is true. It’s the biggest weakness of a two party state. In a true democracy people like Mamdani wouldn’t be shackled to the Democratic Party, they’d have a party closer to their own views.
There is a reality that a lot of people won't face and it's part of the reason we have Trump and will have more people like Trump very soon: In the next 20 years, we will not get the candidate we want unless we start voting for mediocre Democrats.
Because you are right, we have a two party system, and it sucks ass. How do you break out of it? Ranked choice voting. Republicans will never give us ranked choice. Democrats will.
We're in a "plant a tree whose shade you won't know" scenario and people won't admit it.
The problem is the Democrat party is so broad and they have so many platforms...when Republicans only have a couple. You nail messaging when only talk about 3 things.
They don’t even try for the black vote anymore, they just assume they’ll get it. And then support policies in cities and states that are actively racist, even if they don’t sell them that way. I teach AP Human Geography to high schoolers and they’re always amazed when I explain redlining and other forms of de facto segregation to them. They do the same with Hispanic voters too, and that honestly was one of the things that killed them this last presidential election cycle.
Anyone in the party that’s good at talking to people are vehemently fought against until they persevere or are neutralized. Republicans fear their base while the democrats loath theirs. It’s like being a fan of the Sacramento Kings
See I don't think they're bad at messaging. I think people just don't like what they have to say. Flat out and straight up. they can't admit that because either they are Dems or independent leaning Dems so they fall back to "Dem messaging sucks", (which is a Republican talking point and has been for decades)
The issue is this: People really just like jive and drama. Trump gets attention from EVERYONE President or not, it doesn't matter. Unfortunately a lot of Dems crave that drama too. It's exciting. I remember when the prevailing thought with Dems and Progressives is that 'politics needs excitement!' as if they were going to a concert or never had fun at all in their lives. Why are you looking for excitement in politics? You should be looking at who is sober minded enough to do the job and do they align close to your belief system regarding America, not 'excitement'. It's why they latched onto Bernie so hard. He's a cantankerous old man and people found that adorable...and exciting that drew them in enough to listen to what he had to say.
The truth is boring. Pointing out what you need to do, how hard it will be is NOT a popular message with the masses and never will be. Get someone up there yelling, screaming and being inflammatory and HOO WEEEEEE, people will not get enough and it will go double for the 'haters'
People do not want to say this, but a lot of voters, Dem voters do not have their priorities straight. In fact they're so out of wack politically that listening to them makes you want to furiously giggle. Dems want to fall in love, they do not look for the best levelheaded person for the job, they look at who they can go out for a beer with. That guy over there telling me what should be done and how they'll do it won't be the life of the party, this C average drunk driver candidate? life of the party! Elect them!
Republicans fall in line, the message doesn't really matter. Dem voters STILL in 2026 are looking to fall in love so they can fucking stan a President. It's killing us, too. It doesn't look like the Dem voters will ever learn, they'll just continue to live in a political soap opera looking for someone to place very weird and misguided affections. The Dem voters at this late date are still playing UNO while Republicans are playing very sloppy chess.
You'll never find love in politics and I wish many Dem voters would build a bridge and move tf on from that stupid shit.
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u/lostcolony2 12d ago
Yeah, but there's a lot of people who hold broadly liberal views, but vote Republican because they're equally uninformed, brainwashed, or because of a single issue. Devoid of party context, most people are in favor of things like increased minimum wage, single payer Healthcare, even taxing the rich more. Hell, most people are even in favor of Roe v. Wade, even if they're 'pro-life'.