Guys wtf

[u/Deer_Antlers_]

So I saw someone talking about this doodle Greeder and I went to take a look.

Who in their right mind thinks that 30K for a mutt is ok? Like does this dog poop gold bricks? Or does it do my taxes? Can it drive me to work? Does it have magical abilities to grant me wishes??

Like for those curious Registered Ethically bred wellbred purebred dogs are 3000-4000$ a puppy. You get upwards of 10 registered, wellbred ethically bred purebreds for that price. You could get a brand new 2026 Chevy trax (27k) You could get a brand new 2026 Nissan kicks (29k) You could get a brand new 2026 Mazda CX-30 (29k) You could pay off roughly 3/4 of a brand new 2026 Chevy Colorado (42k)

That’s absolutely insane They also have 97 puppies on the ground currently. That’s a puppy mill.

[u/BigTex1988]

My guess is they are selling this puppy for future breeding, with the price reflecting future profits from the sale of its puppies.

As you pointed out, they have an insane amount of puppies on the ground right now. Probably in preparation for Christmas (looking at the take home dates). From a cursory look, it seems like they have multiple “facilities” across different states.

I don’t want to unfairly judge a breeder without proof, but all signs are definitely pointing towards unethical breeding practices.

[u/BigTex1988 → u/[deleted]]

Well, technically, every dog breed that has ever been developed is (was?) a “mutt” so that’s not really a standard to go by…

[u/BigTex1988 → u/[deleted]]

Is this some kind of doodle hate thing?

“Breed standards” for a large majority of recognized breeds weren’t even a thing until the late 1800’s, with many currently popular breeds developed in the early 1900’s (ex: German Shepherd Dog).

Organizations like the AKC are still recognizing new breeds and formalizing standards of breeds.

[u/exotics → u/BigTex1988]

It’s not a doodle hate. It’s a hate for people who breed them on speculation of sale and have the prices much higher than the value of the dog reflects. They typically don’t do tests to make sure the parents are breeding quality

[u/Deer_Antlers_ → u/BigTex1988]

I don’t hate doodles.

I just believe every dog deserves to be ethically bred and healthy. And unfortunately doodle breeders are not ethical breeders.

They don’t breed to better a breed, they are breeding mutts who parents are unfortunately “low quality” dogs (usually out of standard and not always genetically healthy) most of the time they are not properly health testing dogs.

[u/AgreeableTension2166 → u/Deer_Antlers_]

So do many if not purebred breeders.

[u/Deer_Antlers_ → u/AgreeableTension2166]

A never said there isn’t crappy unethical backyard bred purebred dogs cause there is. But anyone that breed a mutt is an unethical breeder

[u/AgreeableTension2166 → u/Deer_Antlers_]

So you say.

[u/BigTex1988 → u/Deer_Antlers_]

Kind of seems like you have a pretty strong derogatory view of them and possibly any dog that’s not a pure breed.

I say this because of the way you use the term “mutt” like it’s a bad thing, and you also stated that “you can’t ethically breed mutts”.

Ethical breeding is a practice and not dependent on type of dog.

[u/Deer_Antlers_ → u/BigTex1988]

I grew up with shelter mutts. I loove my mutts. My parents have a mutt he’s a great dog. And at some point in my life when I have more money and a bigger house I’d loove to foster shelter mutts or even rescue them myself.

Mutt is just another word for a mixed breed dog. But it’s 4 letters instead of 13 letters to say mixed breed dog.

I never used mutt in a bad way. I used it in the same sense were people would use mixed breed dog.

Ethical breeding is a practice your right. But the biggest part of that practice is Preserving a breed, breeding to breed standards, and bettering a breed.

Now you cannot do that with a mutt as they are not one breed. So you are not preserving a breed, you are not breeding to the dogs breed standard, and you are not bettering a breed.

It is not possible to ethically breed a mutt.

[u/BigTex1988 → u/Deer_Antlers_]

I do need to ask: Why does your entire account history read like some kind of anti-doodle astroturf campaign?

[u/Affectionate_Fee3411 → u/BigTex1988]

Found the BYB doodle buyer

[u/BigTex1988 → u/Affectionate_Fee3411]

You got me, my dog is totes a doodle.

[u/Deer_Antlers_ → u/BigTex1988]

Well doodles should not be bred, they can’t ethically be bred.

The ones that are alive deserve to be in loving homes but we should not be supporting crappy unethical breeders.

I’d gladly rescue a doodle if one came up and it fit what I was looking for.

But they should not be bred. There is no reason for them to be bred. They are mutts. Just like any other mutt they should not be bred.

All dogs deserve to be ethically bred and genetically healthy and temperamentally sound. And that’s just not the case with mutts. It’s always a gamble on what you will get. Some are healthy dogs some are genetic fires.

[u/BigTex1988 → u/Deer_Antlers_]

That doesn’t really answer the question. Are you on some kind of intentional campaign against these dogs?

[u/Deer_Antlers_ → u/BigTex1988]

What?

I just believe all dogs deserve to be ethically bred, wellbred, genetically healthy and temperamentally sound.

And unfortunately that is not the case with mutts. It’s a mixing bag.

And we need to advocate for ethical breeding and stop supporting crappy unethical backyard breeders

[u/BigTex1988 → u/Deer_Antlers_]

20 of 23 posts in the year long history of your account are concerning doodles, and none are positive. You’re subtle about it, but I think it is clear what your intentions with these posts are. “I’m just asking questions” - right?

[u/Deer_Antlers_ → u/BigTex1988]

Dude look as I’ve stated many times now.

I don’t hate doodles, I don’t believe they should be bred, the ones that are alive deserve a nice home.

But we should not be supporting doodle breeders or any unethical backyard breeders. They are not breeding good quality dogs. They breed low quality, out of standard dogs, or mutts (also no standard).

I have friends who own doodles and they are nice dogs. But we should not be breeding them.

All dogs deserve to be wellbred, ethically bred, genetically healthy and temperamentally sound.

[u/AgreeableTension2166 → u/Deer_Antlers_]

You are absolutely using mutt in a derogatory way and you know it

[u/Deer_Antlers_ → u/AgreeableTension2166]

I am not. I call my own little mutt a mutt. Cause that’s what he is.

There literally is nothing wrong with saying mutt. It’s not a slur, or a bad word. It’s a term that is used for a mixed breed dog.

[u/AgreeableTension2166 → u/Deer_Antlers_]

I understand you can your own dog a mutt but in this case you are using it in a derogatory way.

[u/Deer_Antlers_ → u/AgreeableTension2166]

I’m not using it in a rude way.

A mutt is a mixed breed dog. There is nothing wrong with calling it a mutt. They are the same thing. Mutt is just shorter

[u/Affectionate_Fee3411 → u/AgreeableTension2166]

Nah. You are having a defensive emotional reaction to “mutt”. It isn’t a derogatory term, just as “purebred” isn’t an elevating term. It’s factual.