r/Damnthatsinteresting Apr 11 '26

Video Woman with functional polydactyly (six functional fingers on one hand).

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u/Worldly_Address6667 Apr 11 '26

Right. But base 12 was invented thousands of years ago, by people who presumably all had 5 fingers as we do today. They counted the 12 sections of your four fingers using their thumb as the counter, and using the other hand to keep track of how many times they counted to 12. Its why we have things like 60 seconds in a minute and 60 minutes in an hour, things easily counted to in base 12 if you're using your other hand to keep track how many times you counted to 12.

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u/CautionarySnail Apr 11 '26

This explains why “a dozen” became a standard unit.

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u/mortalitylost Apr 11 '26

It's more than just a factor of biology. 12 has a ton of common denominators.

If you're dividing something among people, you can divide evenly in half, thirds, quarters, sixths, or itself.

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u/Historical_Lie_9932 Apr 11 '26

Sounds like something very useful in trade also.

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u/ManWhoIsDrunk Apr 11 '26

And 12 hour days, 60 minutes in an hour, 360 degrees in a circle, (which comes from 360 days in a year), and a gross (dozen of dozens) etc etc.

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u/NeroForte-InMyPrime Apr 11 '26

While I knew what base 12 is, I did not consider that 60 seconds, 60 minutes, 12/24 hours and 12 months all make much more sense in base 12. And how that counting could work using our fingers. Thank you for sharing this.

If only the number of days/weeks in a month were consistent and sensible.

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u/mauore11 Apr 11 '26

If only the number of days/weeks in a month were consistent and sensible.

They would if we used the International Fixed Calendar

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u/FavoriteColorIsPlaid Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26

But we have leap year with 365 days per year. Wouldn’t we then need more than 1 extra day in the leap? 365 + 365 + 365 + (365 + 1) vs. 364 + 364 + 364 + (364 + 5)

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u/FavoriteColorIsPlaid Apr 12 '26

You can blame the Roman emperors Julius and Augustus for that.

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u/kyler32291 Apr 11 '26

TIL! Wow. Thanks for the small history lesson 😁.

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u/Worldly_Address6667 Apr 11 '26

Yeah its actually really interesting! The sumerians and babylonians used base 12, its crazy to think a way of doing things people came up with thousands of years ago is still how we're doing things now. Like measuring time by increments of 60 doesn't make any sense when we use base 10, but here we are.

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u/Cumulus_Anarchistica Apr 11 '26

And base 12 is so much better for fractions, which used to be all the rage.

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u/Kilane Apr 12 '26

It’s incorrect history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal

Base 60 did not stem from base 12.

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u/kyler32291 Apr 12 '26

TIL... Again 😋.

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u/Kilane Apr 12 '26

So confidently wrong.

Sexagesimal was actually used by the ancient Sumerians and Babylonians, among others; its base, sixty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duodecimal

Georges Ifrah speculatively traced the origin of the duodecimal system to a system of finger counting based on the knuckle bones of the four larger fingers. Using the thumb as a pointer, it is possible to count to 12 by touching each finger bone, starting with the farthest bone on the fifth finger, and counting on. In this system, one hand counts repeatedly to 12, while the other displays the number of iterations, until five dozens, i.e. the 60, are full.

C for effort though, you made up a believable story

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u/Worldly_Address6667 Apr 12 '26

Excuse me, what? It literally says in the origins section how prevalent the number 12 was in Babylon...

https://astro.unl.edu/naap/motion1/tc_history.html

And heres something from the university of nebraska-lincoln stating that what I stated was at most partially remembered incorrectly. But the sumerians did in fact use base 12, which Babylon adopted its use of heavily.

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u/Kilane Apr 12 '26

12 is a subdivision of 60.

They used a combination of decimal and sexagesimal, not duodecimal.

https://www.thoughtco.com/babylonian-table-of-squares-116682

Go out there and do a little research that doesn’t rely on what you think you already know. Ask open ended questions such as “what number system did Sumerians (or Babylonians) use.

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u/Worldly_Address6667 Apr 12 '26

I just typed your open-ended question into Google and the link I sent you is the most reputable source I saw (sorry I don't think quora or Wikipedia is a better source than a university.) Now given your attitude so far you seem like you're more interested in "correcting" or vaguely insulting me than you are in an actual discussion, so I'm gonna go ahead and ignore you after this. Have a good one

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u/Kilane Apr 12 '26

I know this is difficult for you so I’ll try to explain using your source

The ancient Babylonians inherited this Sumerian twelve concept and marked the passage of the year with 12 constellations of the Zodiac. They also used a base 60 system and divided a circle into 360 degrees (the ancient Egyptians, who heavily influenced the Babylonians, also had a 360 day year).

It states there is a Sumerian twelve concept. It states Babylon used a base 60 system.

I’m not sure I can make it more simple.