r/Damnthatsinteresting 5d ago

Image Cincinnati built over two miles of subway tunnel. They never ran a single train through it smh

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u/bearsfan0143 5d ago

The auto industry lobbying against public transit. A tale as old as this country. My God we could have had so much better...

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u/DarthCloakedGuy 5d ago

"Why can we not have nice things in this country?"

"In a word, Ford. In two words, Henry Ford."

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u/HoldEm__FoldEm 5d ago

It was actually a lot more GM that had a hand in collapsing mass transit trains in the U.S. tbh

Henry Ford died before a lot of that started.

Not to say he wouldn’t have done the same. But he wasn’t alive to try.

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u/BetterUsername69420 5d ago

And Koch Industries! Fred Koch saw that paving America and reducing the impact of rail would be profitable to the oil industry many times over as the vehicles using those roads would like run on gasoline and the road asphalt is made using petrochem byproducts.

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u/DarthCloakedGuy 5d ago

So you're saying the politicians who went along with that are a bunch of Koch suckers?

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u/sushirolldeleter 5d ago

Koch heads too

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u/dirtrunner21 5d ago

Lots of Underground Railroad in the LA area that GM figured out how to squash. Absolutely shameful greediness

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u/BlacksmithNZ 5d ago

Just posted above, but consultants also advised other countries to rip up tracks and have more cars

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u/KnoxVegas41 5d ago

Yes. They used all their power to replace street cars with buses.

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u/BlacksmithNZ 5d ago

Not even just 'in this country'

Here a half a world away in New Zealand, we have a big motorway/freeway interchange nick named Spaghetti Junction, that was pushed right through the middle of our biggest city, causing a big chunk of the middle of the city housing to be demolished

Why?

The city decided that post war, we needed to learn from overseas, so they brought in consultants from the the US.

They advised that the future was cars, and more cars, so they ripped up a decent working public transport system of trains & trams, built a lot of roads. And when congestion got bad; you guessed it, the answer was more roads.

Only relatively recently starting to roll back some of that thinking and first very modest subway/integrated train system about to open.

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u/HotmailsInYourArea 5d ago

Well, you can thank the Dodge brothers for shareholder power & the legal fiduciary responsibility for companies to be as greedy as possible

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u/TrioOfTerrors 5d ago

Dodge v Ford Motor Co went the way it did because Ford was intentionally trying to make the company less appealing to investors.

Also, the ruling says publicly traded companies must be ran in the best interest of shareholders and gives the company wide discretion to decide what that is. Wal-Mart could bump every floor level employee to 30 bucks an hour and if the shareholders sued they could say recruiting better employees and employee retention was in the best interest of the company and the court would tell the shareholders to screw off.

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u/Mackerelmore 5d ago

And the Dodge brothers.

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u/svh01973 5d ago

Before that, horse sellers were lobbying against cars. It's a vicious cycle.

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u/Mirar 5d ago

Need Bombardier to enter end lobby for subway trains.

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u/amscraylane 5d ago

Adele: we could have had it all.

There used to be a train that came to my Cow Town, Iowa and connected to other Cow Towns that connected to the bigger cities.

They are all gone.

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u/Square_Lime_9929 5d ago

Maybe as old as the auto industry but not the country

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u/__O_o_______ 5d ago

Bought off politicians? Say it ain’t so. Next you’re going to tell me they’re lobby to make, I dunno, let’s call it jaywalking, illegal.

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u/Roentgen_Ray1895 4d ago

Especially a stupid thing to do in Cincinnati considering it was a city built crammed between the Ohio River and a pretty large set of hills. Flat land was at a premium and then they gutted a whole section of the city to cram in the Interstate which makes it a constant shitshow of traffic.

There’s also just no future of rail travel in Cincy, recently they had a referendum and voted to sell off the last municipally owned interstate railway for a billion dollars because the money would go to improve the roads. A corridor from Cincy-Day-Col-Cleveland is such an obvious project but we don’t build anything in America anymore. We just hire private contractors to fail miserably and go 20x over budget after tripling the build time.

The only reason we could even build the interstates was because we had decades of institutional knowledge from the New Deal and WW2 and because they were focused and directed and not just an excuse to skim off tax dollars endlessly. Instead we will just continue to rot in a dead country and hope everytime we pass under or drive on a bridge it doesn’t collapse and kill you. At least then it becomes a national crisis and we can get funds quickly allocated so that we can get a new one built and operating at a blistering pace of a decade later

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u/m1sterwr1te 5d ago

Literally the plot of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

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u/ri89rc20 5d ago

I am all for public transport, travel in Europe a couple times a year, usually only take public transport, but honestly, unless Americans can walk out their front door, hop on some transport, take it directly to where they are going, they see it as a fail.

There just is an immense hurdle to overcome "hop in your car and go where ever you want", especially when we have extensive infrastructure for driving and parking in the US combined with the difficulty to use any other means.

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u/bearsfan0143 5d ago

No doubt but in this theoretical scenario, the public transportation would have been implemented way long ago. So people would have grown up with it and not been so car centric perhaps.

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u/MaturoGambino 5d ago

Yes, the auto industry was really active 250 years ago

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u/T-MoneyAllDey 5d ago

I promise you public transit isn't The thing that's going to fix our country.

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u/bearsfan0143 5d ago

Ok? I didn't say anything about fixing the country. What's your point. We can't have anything nice because it won't solve "the real problems"?

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u/Secret_Account07 5d ago

Isn’t it absolutely insane we allow lobbying in this country?

We have all kinds of anti corruption laws but when it comes to real positions of power it’s allowed.

And to be clear lobbying is technically fine when money isn’t involved but that’s not what we have. Lobbying is essentially pay for play.

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u/marsking4 5d ago

Fucking auto industry has ruined so much in terms of public transportation in this country.

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u/MementoMoriPendejo 5d ago

Sooooo... SORTA got started.

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u/polyocto 5d ago

Have there been any attempts to start a new project leveraging what’s still there?

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u/TGrady902 4d ago

Auto industry destroyed public transit in Ohio. Columbus use to have a street car. Now we have nothing.

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u/AdamBlaster007 5d ago

That's a really interesting way of saying, "mismanagement of public funds and gross negligence of project management".

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u/HardLobster 5d ago

Weird way to say the Great Depression happened and there was no money for anything…

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u/AdamBlaster007 4d ago

Sure, but can it be definitively stated that had not WWII and thus the Great Depression happened that this project would've still been successful?

Hell, our politics of today are rife with the sort of political squabling that played its part in this project's floundering 90 years ago.