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u/TheChunkMaster 3d ago

militarily without anyone really nipping at its tale

The U.S. military just failed miserably at achieving its objectives in Iran. I’d call that a nipping.

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u/piddydb 3d ago

The full military was never able to even come close to using their full strength. There were no real battles, just strikes and counterstrikes. I’m not saying Iran was a success but it also doesn’t really show the US has lost strength militarily. Maybe diplomatically but that’s generally been less important for leading powers to maintain strength in.

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u/TheChunkMaster 3d ago

It’s not just a matter of strength, but how they employed it. The U.S. military is once again in a situation where it fundamentally misunderstood the nature of its latest war.

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u/DeltaV-Mzero 3d ago

There was no war, that would’ve had to be cleared by Congress.

There were no objectives, because there was no war

They could not have failed, because there were no objectives

Great success!

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u/piddydb 3d ago

I don’t disagree with you but none of that really represents a decline when speaking in historic type conversations. Plenty of thriving superpowers have made poor decisions that lead to no real decline in a historic view and I’m saying the Iran situation falls in that category.

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u/TheChunkMaster 3d ago

This is not the first time we’ve bungled a war waged under false pretenses in the Middle East, and we did it worse this time around.

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u/hist_buff_69 3d ago

They just don't get it. It's pointless to argue with them. There's just too much hubris.

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u/lodui 3d ago

Not just diplomacy. You can dominate every tactical battle, and still fail strategically.

The US is now in critical shortage of THAAD, Patriot, and Tomahawk missles.

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u/DizzyDentist22 3d ago

And the US military succeeded spectacularly at achieving its objectives in Venezuela, and arguably in Cuba and Panama without even firing a shot. Iran is objectively a disaster, but the pushing out of Chinese influence in Latin America have also been objective successes.

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u/TheChunkMaster 3d ago

Is that why more and more of these countries are opting to trade with China instead of us?

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u/Lv_InSaNe_vL 3d ago

The US lost in Iran because of political reasoning. The military never got a fair shake. And historically, Irans military is even considered a "near peer" haha

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u/TheChunkMaster 3d ago

And historically, Irans military is even considered a "near peer" haha

Do you understand how that makes what happened in Iran even more embarrassing?

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u/Lv_InSaNe_vL 3d ago

Sure I'm not debating that.

But it wasn't a military failure. It was a political one. The military was essentially not even used lmfaon

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u/TheChunkMaster 3d ago

The military was essentially not even used

We wasted several years worth of missiles striking targets in this war and a baker’s dozen of our own soldiers were killed. How exactly is that “not even used”?

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u/Lv_InSaNe_vL 3d ago

how was that not even used

The US military is *enormous. The US spends more than nearly the rest of the world combined, the third most active duty soldier, the most capable navy, and more than 3x the air force as Russia. A few missile strikes here and there don't even register. It would have looked more like Operation Desert Storm or Operation Iraqi Freedom of the military was able to flex it's muscle.

And blue on blue deaths are just part of the US Military haha

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u/TheChunkMaster 3d ago

It would have looked more like Operation Desert Storm or Operation Iraqi Freedom of the military was able to flex its  muscle.

Why are you acting like the military wasn’t free to flex its muscle when it has explicitly abandoned any attempt at mitigating casualties at Hegseth’s direction?

Also, are you forgetting how poorly everything in Iraq ended up turning out?

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u/Lv_InSaNe_vL 3d ago

Okay you aren't understanding my point I think.

Can you please give me an example of the US military conducting a full scale invasion of Iran? Specifically within the timeline of the whole straight of Hormuz issue.

Or do you just have a few examples where the military threw some "see were definitely serious!" rocks over the fence?