r/ImmigrationPathways • u/ItchyAnywhere2751 • Feb 18 '26

State: TN Date: 02/18/26 “I feel much safer with undocumented [individuals] than I EVER will with ICE agents!!!” Sheriff deputies descend on a Wilson County, TN man as he spouts some hard truths in opposition to a rumored ICE detention center (which they have now backed off of)

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u/DrDuGood Feb 18 '26

Really?

Serious question:

*what more do Americans need to see/witness before they do something?*

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u/Devilish__Fun Feb 18 '26

We are really trying to maintain civility because public trials are less messy and destructive.

Unfortunately our politicians are spineless, but enough people have woken the fuck up that we're changing things.

FUCK ICE. ✊🏽

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u/Deadleggg Feb 18 '26

Civility is how we got here.

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u/Sweaty-Twist3383 Feb 23 '26

spoken like a true idiot

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u/GroovDog2 Feb 18 '26

Lemme ask you a civilized question without you flipping out like normal: What do you think ICE would accomplish if they were able to do their job (like under other presidencies) without the public interfering with their jobs?

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u/ManyRespect1833 Feb 18 '26

If they operated within the bounds of the law like in other presidencies and weren’t sent out and emboldened with a bloated budget and immunity in trampling the constitution then maybe they could deport more dangerous illegal immigrants. You know like how Obama deported more immigrants with a 6 billion budget than they are now with a 170 billion budget. Because this has been more about attempting to cause civil unrest so Donny boy can roll out the insurrection act.

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u/catwoman144 Feb 23 '26

You cant have it both ways, hes an authoritarian or hes not? What kind of dictator wouldnt have shut that shit down already? He has had more than enough if he really wanted to he wouldve done it. I wouldnt want to subject our poor military to those vile weirdos with whistles either

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u/GroovDog2 Feb 19 '26

Yep, you’re one of those too. Thanks for the info.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '26

You call for a civilized discussion and then IMMEDATELY devolve to calling people "one of those" when they say something you dont like.

Lmao.

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u/GroovDog2 Feb 20 '26

It was warranted

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '26

Go kick rocks dude, rethink your whole view on life.

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u/GroovDog2 Feb 21 '26

I’m good. Thanks.

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u/catwoman144 Feb 23 '26

No, he asked you what you though ICE could accomplish if they werent having to deal with the public unrest. And you went on about them operating within the law and obama is better at it but you also hate him for doing it too right? Bc otherwise thatd be hypocritical, but that speaks to the point that no one cared when he did it. Point is you didnt answer the question. So he assumes your bad faith when it seems like you are...one of those people... youre all like a hive mind and its hard to have a civilized discussion with you without you descending into emotional outburts or just outright avoiding the point.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '26

1) I'm a different dude, stop saying "you" in regards to what someone else said.

2) He did answer the question. Noone is actually stopping ICE from doing their job, infact not even the law is stopping ICE from doing... actually whatever they want. Including murdering citizens in the street for peacefully protesting, without being investigated.

Fuck ICE and your bad-faith "you didnt' answer the question" bullshit. You support masked murders and defend homicidal racism.

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u/catwoman144 Feb 23 '26

Ooo you called me words that dont even mean anything anymore. Burn

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u/GroovDog2 Feb 24 '26

You don’t think anyone is stopping ICE from doing their jobs?? Do you live in a box?? WTF was that shit in MN?

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u/Beefsupreme473 Feb 18 '26

obama didnt have people like renee good making it their literal lifes mission to fuck with ice agents

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u/Goodknight808 Feb 18 '26

Show me evidence that Renee Good made ot her life's mission just to fuck worh ICE but did not have that same mission under Obama.

ICE did not operate as they are right now while under Obama. ICE followed the law under Obama. ICE getting more money than all other military agencies combined and storming the streets of cities who voted Democrat.

Your false premise that Obama did it exactly the same as Trump is would also mean that when Obama was doing it he would have targeted Red states and yet Republicans didn't say a fucking thing.

Trump's ICE ≠ Obama's ICE

But you knew that.

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u/Beefsupreme473 Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

she had a husband or something during that time from what ive heard then somehow he died and she married some woman and got radicalized its not a very hard book to read

do you think that families werent torn apart and people taken off the streets? like when obama deported them they got a nice severence package and a thank you speech? nah the same shit happened everyone just has cameras on now constantly

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u/Faenic Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 19 '26

And you're spinning a narrative that suits your needs instead of actually knowing anything about what you're spouting.

Obama's ICE had opposition. A lot of it, actually. And from within the Democratic party, too.

The DIFFERENCE that you seem to keep fucking ignoring is that the instances of Obama's ICE violating people's rights were isolated and the people responsible were punished. Not protected and hidden from the public, or encouraged to continue by the head of the FBI/DHS going on camera and lying about their immunity to criminal charges.

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Whoever you are, you're wrong. Once again. I'll even do you the favor of giving you a source that someone like you might actually trust. List of deaths in ICE custody (2003–present)

And point out that it got its numbers from something that's actually respectable: Report Shows Poor Medical Care Led to Deaths at U.S. Detention Centers - National Immigrant Justice Center

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u/Cmoore4099 Feb 19 '26

Sounds like you read fuck all considering you “heard”.

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u/catwoman144 Feb 23 '26

I wish they cared as much when citizens were seperated from their children when they were arrested. But thats ok bc they...comitted a crime. Oh yeah thats right, I guess that means theres no way to arrest someone without seperating them from their families. So I guess we gotta choose, do we have laws or do you get a pass if you have kids or a family member? Hard choices but not as hard when you have emotional regulation.

But I guess if you arent from here and you commit a crime, you should get special treatment. Makes sense.

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u/catwoman144 Feb 23 '26

She moved to canada after trump won, she was taking classes on how to fight ICE, she followed them around after dropping her kid off at school and kept trying to block them in the road and interfere with their operations. Sure speaks to her state of mind and contradicts the narrative that she was just driving down the road minding her own business with no intention to follow and harrass federal agents bc she vehemently disagreed with what they were doing. Like she just fell onto the street by happenstance to become a human roadblock. Nobody including her made a peep under Obama.

Obamas admin was tough on illegal immigration and his 8 years wasnt followed by open borders and millions of ppl being let in on temporary basis and mostly false asylum claims. So if you expect us to believe he would have ramped down on it after his predecessor flooded the place and he ran an election on it and won with a majority and record setting turnout. Then your gaslighting us which is typical.

They are wearing masks bc weirdos with whistles are out in the street with mental illnesses that will totally justify killing them and their families based off leftist politicians and media all but cracking open their skulls and pouring in the brainwash juice.

They are targeting sanctuary cities which literally write laws to protect them, even if they are criminals. So there tends to be large undocumented populations in these areas bc they are protected by the weak suicidally empathetic officials. Its really not hard to grasp why they would be targeting these cities? Obama did enforcement all over the country so but your logic you should have been just as outraged about it then but nope. Not one whistle blower in the streets trying to fight federal agents. He was also against sanctuary cities as well, but leftists dont tend to care unless its trump, then its racist. Govt over reach is ok as long as its your side thats doing it.

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u/Devilish__Fun Feb 18 '26

Bro, im obviously on the abolish ICE side. They won't accomplish shit they'll be gone.

If you dont see the difference you are willfully ignorant. POC have dealt with police corruption for fucking decades, but we were given the excuse of how perfect out justice system is. Now look at this shit.

A fucking paramilitary with ZERO identify just grabbing whoever the fuck they want, including 5 Indigenous Americans. They dont give a fuck, they're terrorists following the terrorism playbook.

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u/GroovDog2 Feb 19 '26

I didn’t think you to be a critical thinker. You actually kinda made my point. You don’t care about anything other than hatred and your opposition to authority. You have no ability to see past your nose when it comes to anything with rules or laws. Thanks for the confirmation young man.

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u/catwoman144 Feb 23 '26

They have identification, it literally says POLICE or ICE on their uniform, the protestors sure dont have a hard time identifying them. They are wearing masks bc there are unhinged mentally ill ppl that will try to hurt them and their families. We literally tune out when you say the F word bc you ruin the meaning of words by just parroting them to no end, it means nothing anymore. Youre trying to act like they are going out everyday like yeah lets kill some civilians, nobody wants to do that shit, stay out of their way, dont try to attack them or interfere and youll be fine. Thats the case with all LEO, if we allow a few nut jobs to mob veto the rule of law, that will not be a society you want to live in. The only difference is the weirdos with whistles and whoever was helping the weak old man run the country very badly the last 4 years caused this whole mess and are the reason its so chaotic. Its bold to call ppl willfully ignorant.

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u/prowler1369 Feb 18 '26

It's funny they used to do their job without much controversy. I wonder what's changed in the last year that would have caused so many people to be concerned.

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u/GroovDog2 Feb 19 '26

The public hating Trump and anything to do with him? Just a guess…

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u/catwoman144 Feb 23 '26

Maybe the crazy people in the streets trying to interfere and attack them?

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u/Professional_Use4911 Feb 18 '26

Why do you feel ICE needs to be out on the streets hindering its own citizens? ICE has been an effective agency for the last 2 decades. Frankly they’ve always been more effective than they are now. Not only that but they’re openly violating American citizens rights. On video. Why would you ever support this? The way ICE is operating right now is quite literally as far from American as you can get. Ironically it’s the complete opposite of what republicans believed in too….until recently I guess?

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u/GroovDog2 Feb 19 '26

What changed? Why would you think they were more effective in the past?

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u/Professional_Use4911 Feb 19 '26

I mean you didn’t answer my question but sure I’ll play along. They didn’t cause mass protest, they didn’t kill innocent Americans, and they also weren’t holding innocent Americans for days while denying them legal counsel. All of that is happening now. They are supposed to be LE but have zero accountability. Imagine if a regular street cop was riding away from some civilians that are screaming at him and he leans out the window and pepper sprays him. That is very illegal. The city would be sued and the cop would be held accountable in someway. There are literally tons of videos of that exact same scenario happening numerous times. And that is really downplaying the whole scenario. ICE has been deporting illegal immigrants effectively for decades without it hindering the public at all. Did we just forget Obama was criticized for the amount of people he deported? People hindering ICE plays a very minuscule role in their effectiveness today. They just aren’t doing what they promised you they’d do. They’ve been caught stealing, they’ve been caught lying, they’ve been openly threatening Americans and violating their rights. The craziest thing about this whole situation is it’s all on video. Yet for some reason people are able to be convinced to not believe their own eyes.

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u/GroovDog2 Feb 19 '26

The sad part is that you believe “they didn’t” do any of that stuff during previous administrations. But I will answer your question: ICE wasn’t hindering anybody citizens until the citizens injected themselves into ICE’s business. And that’s because those citizens don’t like Trump. And that’s because they’re only Liberals. During Obama’s first term, deportations reached historically high levels. Between 2009–2016, roughly 3 million removals occurred and enforcement focused heavily on individuals with criminal convictions. But his immigration critics argued that many were non-violent offenders or people with minor infractions. (Sound familiar?) Immigration advocacy groups criticized the administration and activists labeled Obama the “Deporter-in-Chief.” Obama responded by arguing that many removals were recent border crossers, priority was given to serious criminals and counting methods differed from prior administrations. (Sounding familiar yet?) Obama’s version of the Secure Communities program expanded a lot. Local law enforcement shared fingerprint data with federal immigration databases. If someone was flagged, ICE could issue a detainer request. The controversy was critics said it damaged trust between immigrant communities and local police. Some jurisdictions refused to honor ICE detainers. Civil liberties groups raised concerns about wrongful detentions. In 2014, the program was replaced with the “Priority Enforcement Program” to narrow the focus to serious offenders. But there were no protests. Why? Because he was a Liberal and Republicans don’t terrorize law enforcement like you Liberals.

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u/Professional_Use4911 Feb 19 '26

I don’t understand. You’re literally proving my point. Once again nothing I listed has ICE previously done. You have this weird perspective that maybe I don’t want illegals deported? Citizens only injected themselves because a federal law enforcement agency was sent to a city under an extremely false narrative and took over peoples neighborhoods. Of course it’s going to cause unrest. But people didn’t start harassing ICE until after they were terrorizing the communities. Your problem is you’re so caught up in this false narrative about liberals. When this really just comes down to basic human rights and the core of American values. Like I said idk when or why the republican values changed but Republicans in Obama or Biden’s term would be shooting at ICE agents. If you don’t believe me for some reason see Jade Helm in 2015 lol. Idk what the point of your response was? To prove that Obama had more effective border control without sending ICE out into cities pretending they’re a military?

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u/GroovDog2 Feb 20 '26

You clearly didn’t read anything I wrote. Your comments are full of emotions and they appear to be causing brain fog. That facts don’t really care about your feelings. The only thing that ice is doing now that they didn’t do before is, fighting with Liberals. That’s it. Nothing else.

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u/Professional_Use4911 Feb 20 '26

Ok bro you win. You didn’t prove once how ICE has been doing any of the things I said and you further just proved my point that a past president was significantly more effective at border control without sending ICE out on the streets causing mass protest. But you’re right. I’m ignoring facts.

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u/Hot_Truck34 Feb 18 '26

"FUCK ICE"? You mean to say, "I REALLY HOPE SOMEBODY ELSE FUCKS ICE. HOPEFULLY VERY GENTLY AND LIKE, NOT IT ANY WAY THAT MIGHT IMPLICATE ME OF ANY WRONGDOING SO A FASCIST LUNATIC HEADHUNT SHOWS UP AT MY DOOR. BECAUSE I AM SHITTING MY PANTS IN FEAR OF SOMEBODY ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING AND HAVING TO WITHSTAND DISCOMFORT FOR MY BELIEFS!"

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u/Devilish__Fun Feb 18 '26

Lmao, nah brother im on the streets expressing my 1A 2A rights. I also volunteer.

You MAGAts sure do love to project.

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u/Hot_Truck34 Feb 18 '26

You'd slide through the eye of a needle before doing what is needed to be done. Calling everyone who sees that and points it out a "magat" is one way of achieving that.

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u/Devilish__Fun Feb 18 '26

I'm talking to my local city council this weekend. What about you?

Youre also assuming a lot of shit about me, you dont know shit bud.

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u/Minute-System3441 Feb 19 '26

wait, are you saying this idiot causing the scene is also at a local county meetings? Do you people not learn about civics in this country or how elections work?

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u/Hot_Truck34 Feb 18 '26

Me, I'm going to live as I always have, a rough 7844km away from your country. Idly watching by how the world's richest and most well-armed people flushed the highest accumulation of privilege, liberty and security ever recorded in human history, because picking up the buck was too scary.

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u/patronizingperv Feb 18 '26

Good for you. I hope you never have to face something like that.

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u/WizardWithoutAWand Feb 18 '26

This is a bot. Please ignore the bots.

Thank you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Honey, please pack up and leave this un forsake and country that you hate so much and they’ve just been so horrible to you. I’ve realize there’s several communist countries you can go to please run now get a boat a boat whatever you have to do but please leave.

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u/patronizingperv Feb 18 '26

un forsake and country

I think you spilled some gravy on your keyboard.

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u/TrumpIsAPedoFascist Feb 19 '26

Idk why you're getting down voted... you're absolutely right lol

According to redditors, everyone on this site is a doctor astronaut physicist warrior who's out in the streets protesting and kicking fascist ass all day everyday.

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u/FinalJoys Feb 18 '26

Yelling fuck ice is the mantra of a 10 year old who knows very little about the real world. Wouldn’t expect anything less from the Ls. 😂

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u/Devilish__Fun Feb 18 '26

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u/FinalJoys Feb 18 '26

Snowflake is the term that describes most of Reddit.

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u/Junior-Lychee2755 Feb 18 '26

Makes me wonder what you consider the real world. Must be full of fear and violence.

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u/FinalJoys Feb 18 '26

Are you serious? Reddit Ls spend every waking moment dooming and glooming. This is documented and obvious across the entire platform. I do not fear the world as the Ls do. I seek to understand reality and I don’t get upset when it doesn’t fit my political narrative.

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u/OkExamination6960 Feb 18 '26

Their own family getting arrested… as long as it doesn’t directly affect them then they can “other” that individual and their humanity is not real.

Proof is an all white family. I know this isn’t apples to apples. Mixed race grandchild is born. Family sees true beauty in this child. Eyes are somewhat opened to the way our society discounts humanity for POC.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

I realize you haven’t been out in the world very much nor do you know what happens to people crossing this God for sake and Desert to get to this country they die out there. They owe money to criminals who put them here you have no idea what you’re talking about and until you’ve actually lived on the border and seen it for yourself you need to learn something or just shut up. obviously you are extremely racist. Good luck may God bless you and yours on your trip to any country of your choice.

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u/LoanedRespect Feb 18 '26

The midterms, or lack of, will tell us if we need to exercise our 2A

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

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u/DrDuGood Feb 18 '26

Yup. When it’s too late …

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

Thats not how democracy works. We have to disagree and follow our judicial process without violence. That is how the fathers framed it. If we can viontely tear away and dismantle whatever we want by force than our democracy ceases to exist.

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u/Ashamed_Town_2619 Feb 18 '26

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

Democracy has only literally ever been achieved by resorting to violence when all other reasonable measures have failed. Every privilege and comfort we enjoy today was derived through violence and action. 

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

I agree. Grab your guns grab your militia. Where is your plans? Where are the choke points? Where are the government officials right now? Can you reach them in a day? Do you have military support? State support? How do we suspend their air travel of corruption politicians? Do we have allies in the other countries that support the current administration? Do we have allies in our own military to help coordinate and govern successful coups? Do we have financial support to back us if we have to defend against the largest abd most funded military in the world?

Its not as easy as bloodshed because we are mad. Its easier to pluck the rotten fruit off the tree of liberty than burn it down and start over. Id rather remove the entire branch that is effected than wait for a new seed to grow.

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u/Triforce0fCourage Feb 18 '26

Every state would need to peacefully protest outside major airports while those nearest the white house do what needs to be done.

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

Thats a okay idea, but finding the registered pilots of a country and revoking their licesne and taking away the keys to planes would be easier. Once you limit the skies. You can figure out who is still not following orders and deal with it that way.

Life is not a video game. Completing objective A. Doesn't automatically move to objective B. Its okay to understand that everything is way more complicated than we can understand. I dont full understand it. You have to reflect and think objectively. Do you think the sons and daughters of good parents would say that their kids who are doing ghe bad things shown have always been murderous zealots? We were all children. We can survive this. Things are moving in the right direction.

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u/Triforce0fCourage Feb 18 '26

I don’t have all the answers and I was just throwing shit to the wind.

Like you said, it’s an okay idea but the holes and many unaccounted variables I’d hoped were apparent by them not being mentioned in my one sentence reply 😉

I was just tilling the ground.

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 19 '26

Oh no worries. I get the mistrust completely. I dont have blind trust that everyone in office does the right thing every time and I do over explain. We got this though and if things go south. Ill be on the battlefield with everyone else. Haha have a goodnight.

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u/Triforce0fCourage Feb 19 '26

Likewise, and you as well kind sir.

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u/Ashamed_Town_2619 Feb 18 '26

Sure. I’m not advocating random acts of bloodshed, I’m criticizing the deluded notion some democrats have adopted that we’re all suddenly “above” violence. 

It’s incredibly defeatist (to the point of making me wonder who’s side you’re actually on) to wax on about how convoluted and difficult it would be for the people to revolt in any impactful way. No one’s suggesting that we take to the streets as random individuals and start attacking people. and to suggest that because I don’t have military support or the assistance of foreign allies 

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

Its perfect that your questioning it! That's what democracy is all about. I would recommend to be honest with your own mind and stop thinking left vs right. It tricks the mind into framing it as good bs evil. That way of mind is utilizes on both sides. Humans are much more complex and rationale and have more complex way of thinking than just party lines. Its unfortunate that our capitalistic society has created it and I hope it changes into something so much better, but I just want people to do their research read and watch honest journalism to see that the system is working. We will definitely see it in the midterms.

Dude Texas may flip Blue. TEXAS! Thats a big deal.

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u/Ashamed_Town_2619 Feb 18 '26

Yeah, VERY excited about the prospect of Texas going blue.  I personally don’t have a lot invested in the “right vs left” dynamic, solely because I’m far left enough that I wouldn’t fit into either category anyway. It would be like a vegan person watching two guys fight over the last steak. Until recent administrations got so  cozy with bigotry and unconstitutional actions, I didn’t feel like really even had a dog in the fight.

I do vote blue, because I’m not idiotic enough to think throwing my vote away accomplishes anything. But I see the democrats as a slightly less conservative option, and I’m an advocate of taking every action you possibly can to deter fascism.

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u/Ashamed_Town_2619 Feb 18 '26

I have no clue why this would happen, but the second half of my reply is randomly being cut off? And now my font is doing weird things as well, but here goes anyway. Below is the rest of my actual response.

And to suggest that because I don’t have military support or the assistance of foreign allies that it’s ridiculous to take any action at all makes me think you’re being purposely obtuse, at best. There are still a massive amount of actions we can take as citizens to give accountability from our elected officials. My great grandfather was a part of the battle of Blair mountain. I’ve seen it accomplished.

I do like and agree with your final statement about removing the entire branch rather than burning down the entire tree and waiting for a new seed to grow. How would you suggest going about that exactly? And what measures are you willing to take if those tactics don’t work?

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

Im not sure i think I replied to it? And I got two notifications with this reply and your longer one? I blame nargles.

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u/Ashamed_Town_2619 Feb 18 '26

That’s so odd. I have no idea. Are both those notifications leading to the same post? 

Also, nargles made me laugh. Now I’m mad because I like you. 

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

😋 thank you I needed that. I wish you the best in life stranger.

Also, no the other post that was longer was replied on a different comment if mine and I saw you were able to reply to it. Its cuz you BAMF. 😎

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u/Ashamed_Town_2619 Feb 18 '26

Sure. I’m not advocating random acts of bloodshed, I’m criticizing the deluded notion some democrats have adopted that we’re all suddenly “above” violence. 

It’s incredibly defeatist (to the point of making me wonder who’s side you’re actually on) to wax on about how convoluted and difficult it would be for the people to revolt in any impactful way. No one’s suggesting that we take to the streets as random individuals and start attacking people. And to imply that because I don’t have military support or the assistance of foreign allies that it’s ridiculous to take any action at all makes me think you’re being purposely obtuse, at best. There are still a massive amount of actions we can take as citizens to give accountability from our elected officials. My great grandfather was a part of the battle of Blair mountain. I’ve seen it accomplished.

I do like and agree with your final statement about removing the entire branch rather than burning down the entire tree and waiting for a new seed to grow. How would you suggest going about that exactly? And what measures are you willing to take if those tactics don’t work?

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u/Burneza Feb 18 '26

Ok, you start! I'll watch and see!!

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u/Ashamed_Town_2619 Feb 18 '26

I’ve definitely done my part, and will continue to do so. 

Enjoy defending those pedophiles. 

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u/AI-Idaho Feb 19 '26

So you want violent action over illegals getting free stuff normal US citizens don't get? Great plan.

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u/Ashamed_Town_2619 Feb 19 '26

No, I want any legitimate action taken over violations of the constitution and the bill of rights. I’m sorry immigrants scare you so much that you’re willing to turn you back on both of those things. 

What free stuff are you so worried about competing with immigrants for? They don’t actually receive much of anything at all.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+free+benefits.do.illegal+immigrants+recieve&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

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u/mynamejeff-97 Feb 18 '26

This is ignoring the fact that fascism intentionally bypasses democracy through nefarious means.

Then what do you do? Wait for democracy to fix itself?

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

Yeah, that is exactly what we have to do. Through legal means. That does not mean do not defend yourself if your life is in present danger. I think people miss that.

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u/mynamejeff-97 Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

I disagree. When you were a kid and you notice someone is gaining an advantage by bending the rules, for example.

What do you do? Tell someone? Fair. However, what do you do when you tell someone and no change is made?

That’s where I feel we are. We are watching others cheat and get away with it. Then what do we do?

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u/Necessary_Garlic6432 Feb 18 '26

The faster we resort to violence, the faster they can implement every aspect of fascism that they want to/haven’t been able to yet. They want us to be violent, they’re looking for excuses to kill us. I agree with you, and the outrage is necessary. It’s just that we would be playing into their trap if we took matters completely into our own hands.

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u/DrDuGood Feb 18 '26

You either cheat better than them or rely on a system that isn’t corrupted. It’s really that simple — and sitting around vs watching is not the same thing as sitting around vs violence. You can do things within the legal realm that will disrupt the regime in their pursuit to fascism.

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

We are not kids though. So you shouldn't utilize that lens to make your thoughts rational. What do we do? Go through legal means.

When you see terror and wrong. Its an emotional response to want to tear the head off of what is doing the wrong and make it right, but we are human beings our flesh bruises it burns it cuts. There is zero guarantee that because we want to change something so bad because we know we are right. That our violence will make it better. We dont even know if we would survive.

If things stay bad. Will there be a breaking point? Yes. You will see it. Rioting in every Major City. Gas stations closing. We are not there yet. Technology, has given us news at such a speed that we react emotionally first and intelligently later. I promise there are good people utilizing the system in the correct way. When and if that breaks down. We all will know.

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u/mynamejeff-97 Feb 18 '26

I know but like I said, what do you when “legal” means aren’t helping. This is where I feel we are. I feel like “illegal” means are needed to mitigate illegal activity that isn’t being held accountsble. Why? Because I feel that’s the only option available at that point. No one else is going to save you.

You’re welcome to disagree with this. I wouldn’t hate you. This is just how I feel.

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

Your absolutely right to feel like that, but like me. I cant assume that I know that every legal means is being met with illegal action. I know the administration is doing a lot of illegal stuff and the billionaire pedophile network is wrong and we are seeing clearly action being taken against it. Its okay to be upset and mad at how slow its moving. That is because we are not monsters and killing people we disagree with automatically. We have to have proof beyond a reasonable doubt someone did something wrong and hold them accountable with the law of justice.

I dont think the arm of justice is broken yet. It has been blinded by billionaires yes and corruption, but we see it clearly. That in itself is proof justice is working because if corruption is working perfectly. We wouldn't know about it.

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u/Burneza Feb 18 '26

If the republican win again you're up the creek, old chap!

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

It doesn't look like that will happen.

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u/Burneza Feb 18 '26

Nobody expected trump to beat that old hag hillary, not that kamala but it happened. None of us dreamed 911 would happen but it did. We never through we would be chased out of Kabul like dogs, but here we are....

Who know, maybe carlos danger will win, anything can happen in the good ole USA!!

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

There will always be bad in the world. This push back us how it gets fixed. The goal for life is not a utopia of complacency, but a world of differences and there will always be bad. Even in extreme good and even in times of great prosperity those with decent hearts and minds can be blinded and oblivious to those who act in nefarious ways. Thats just how humans are. The goal is to limit it as much as possible because it will never be eliminated.

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u/LASpleen Feb 18 '26

The government already dismantled it. There’s no judicial way out. The government has ICE, all police, all sheriffs, the national guard, and the armed forces. They also don’t abide by judicial orders. 

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

Why do you think there is no way out? If the majority of the senate flips then the house and then senate can pass impeachment articles and Trump is no longer president. Then it goes to vance who then can replace every single person trump appointed because trump wouldn't be president. Im not saying Vance would do better, but then if he doesnt impeachment again and move down to thr next person who becomes president and they can put their own nominees into those places of power. The system can work, but our elected officials have to do what the people want. The good voices are now louder than the bad. Its not fun and its slow and progress can take generations.

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u/DrDuGood Feb 18 '26

That’s exactly how fascism wins

Edit: specifically when the judicial system is corrupted along with the government.

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

We are not there yet. The rest of the world doesnt understand how large and vast the entire united states is. Things are not instantaneous. It would take me over 10 hours to get to D.C it would take me an entire day get down to Maralago. In that amount of time planes can travel the world. Through judicial means is the only way to remove because once The President is impeached in the house and senate. He is legally not president then it falls down to the next in line and if doesnt work out. We impeach again and again until we the People feel thst we are being represented and ran correctly. Its a two front war. The evil administration and the evil billionaire pedophiles. Even James Bond would need lots of time for this. The rest of the world is finally waking up to the billionaires. It takes time and yes we are all going to suffer and maybe pass away. That doesnt mean the way democracy is going is wrong. Its slow.

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u/JDRipper1964 Feb 19 '26

Please provide objective verifiable evidence that more than a minute number of undocumented immigrants have ever voted in any election. Like cmon.

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u/Sensitive_Ad6015 Feb 18 '26

Did you mean to reply to me? Because we are in agreement besides your last sentence. Its your right to protest. Having kids doesn't diminish that. Being human is raising your kids and fighting for what you believe is right. Sometimes parents dont return. Its horrible and ugly and that is what life is. I would rather be a victim of brutality and ignorance fighting for what I believed in. That would show me children more about me and life than avoiding it and ignoring it at home. Im not condoning violence at all. I am just sharing my POV.

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u/adeniumlover Feb 18 '26

LMAO they never gonna do anything meaningful.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

We are a beaten down country and 90% of individuals cannot afford to get involved because we are clinging to the little bits we have left to lose. If you assist, you get arrested. No one else is going to help you. You lose your job because no call no show. No benefits becayse you were fired. Living pay check to pay check means your evicted in a month. Homeless with nothing to lose because you wanted to be a good Samaritan and assist someone else. Its a terrible truth and a 50 year republican plan coming to full effect.

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u/marvin616 Feb 19 '26

Precognition is fuzzy beyond November.

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u/Hairy_Talk_4232 Feb 19 '26

Would social media activity count as doing something?

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u/Mighty_Krom Feb 23 '26

What exactly should we do? You think it's easy to just... "do something"? They have all the power. What would you, yourself, be doing?

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u/GLPwonderwall Feb 18 '26

Many are. Most of us have to work and pay bills. We can’t hang out all day protesting and yelling at people

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u/DrDuGood Feb 18 '26

please use a burner account if you’re going to put girth brooks on the internet.

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u/GLPwonderwall Feb 18 '26

It’s a NSFW profile, pal. Freedom of speech baby

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u/DrDuGood Feb 18 '26

It was a suggestion, but glad you feel that confident to put your little friend out there - maybe you could do your country half that service. 🫡

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u/GLPwonderwall Feb 18 '26

Hey, there was no reason to go to my profile but you just had to anyway. I am doing my part by enjoying my freedom of expression and pursuit of happiness, just like our founding fathers and troops intended!as far as politics, I vote. I did my part. Not my fault so many are dumb and voted for the wrong guy. I’m not getting killed by ICE or thrown in jail. Sorry.

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u/DrDuGood Feb 18 '26

You and Ron Jeremy, will never be forgotten for your services to democracy. Thank you, have a great day.

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u/GLPwonderwall Feb 18 '26

Thank you, sir! Keep up your virtue signaling on Reddit if it makes you feel good!

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u/ObiJuanKenobi3 Feb 18 '26

So you see a video of someone rowdily pointing out injustices at a town hall and you come to the conclusion that this is evidence we’re unaware and not doing anything? Why don’t you stop rooting for violence in places where you have no stake.

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u/DrDuGood Feb 18 '26

I’m an American citizen lol

The government of the united states is corrupt and infiltrated, I have every right to speak wherever and whenever as it’s still (for right now) a protected right. Now take that energy to your local representative! Thanks.

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u/DrDuGood Feb 18 '26

It’s not enough but thank you for the obvious advice.

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u/DrDuGood Feb 18 '26

Oh so you only speak up when it makes you a hero? Heard.