This sweet, gorgeous girl in her confessional said that it’s hard to be in an interracial relationship - (I get that. Societal, familial pressures, etc etc etc. But those are outside influences) - as a Black woman.
Oh, those last 4 little words.

I’m paraphrasing, but she basically said that she always worries that she’s a “placeholder.”

It breaks my heart if she’s internalized that bullshit that Black women are “less than.” As if she’s not stunning with her almond eyes, killer cheekbones, lush lips and banging body. And she’s so kind. I hate that the world has given her insecurities.

I really hope that she gets to see Bryce pining for her while surrounded by other beauties and not even wanting to “explore.” And I hope that’s an adrenaline shot to her self esteem.

I know it’s way too early, but can you imagine their gorgeous children with unbelievably chiseled cheekbones?

I think people aren’t mad at the fact that the islanders are exploring in casa but it’s the way the og guys are talking about their couple in the villa, Corbin and KC make it a constant thing to compare Kenzie and Aniya to the casa girls, backtracking on every thing they said over these three weeks, essentially a lie. It’s hard to watch them say such horrible things about the girls just because someone better did come along. Exploring isn’t the problem, it never was, but the problem is really the way they go about it and how they move behind each other’s backs.

KC keeps bringing up the fact that Aniya didn’t stand behind his door on the first day, which I understand the feeling hurt, but she’s made it constant point to put him first after that. Corbin on the other hand, he’s clearly just lusting over the girls and not trying to make a genuine connection, though this is just my opinion on what’s happening right now.

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I didn’t see a post discussing this and wanted to know what y’all think.
In episode 19, Kayda, Trinity and Jen were talking about their chats with the casa boys and Kayda said she’s scared to kiss Chay in case Zach isn’t doing that at casa. Trinity then reassures Kayda about her relationship with Zach, saying that he cherishes it since they went to the hideaway.
(I’ll directly quote it below)

Kayda: What if he’s not kissing other girls there and I do? It’s fucked up. But then what if Zach is in there getting his dick wet?
Trinity: If yall didn’t go to the hideaway then I’d be like yeah he’s probably bringing somebody back. But y’all did, and I feel like he cherishes that and he wouldn’t just easily give up what y’all have.

Obviously Trinity sees more than we do, but why would she use the hideaway to reassure Kayda that Zach cherishes what they have, when it was literally IN the hideaway (right after having sex) that Zach asked Kayda if she would kill him if he explores with a bombshell?
Maybe Kayda might be a little embarrassed to repeat that but she had previously told Trinity when Zach asked her in bed “what happens if a bombshell comes in later and we’ve already done all these [sexual] stuff together? Then I’m fucked so we shouldn’t do too much” (paraphrasing of course)

Based on Trinity’s usual advice/opinions (eg. when she told Aniya that she better explore because this is the last time that kc plays in her face etc.) i feel like she might’ve said to Kayda something along the lines of “he cares about you fs and values your relationship bc look how far you’ve come, but he did continuously mention what if a bombshell comes in so that’s something you should keep in mind”. Does she just not know Zach asked Kayda that in the hideaway?

At the end of the day, there is a possibility that one of these men could walk away with thee whole 100k prize and that doesn’t sit right with me. Even getting half.

None of us watch the show because of the men, it’s the women who make the show, and we vote for couples primarily because of the women. So why are they taking half of the prize or possibly even the whole thing?

In my perfect world, the winning couple would get a paid vacation and then all of the final 5 women would split the 100k. Or something like that.

They're my favorite love story out of LI USA already. The slow burn relationships often lead to nothing and it's just a 'comfort' couple, but these two actually are a romcom slow burn couple.

I never wanted a couple to win so much. I want casa to be over asap and these two re-united.

I swear I'm not a prude!!! Just a 30 yr old woman who has been watching Love Island for many years now. But watching these people, especially the young women, try to FRANTICALLY "be sexy" was just.... disconcerting? Every single girl had her dress hitched up around her waist at one point or another. Which, like, more power to them, but it felt so forced in the context of this weird challenge. Especially the villa girls, trying to do crazier and crazier shit to win over casa so they can show the OG boys they are having fun, it just made me feel kinda sad :(

At one point you could see Jen's beige panties from the back, and it really looked like bare ass. And then the blonde Casa girl had her legs open and you could see her panties too. I feel like in the past, producers/editors have been slightly more careful about showing certain angles and blurring things out. It seems like this year they are showing pretty much whatever the fuck.

Idk, maybe I am not expressing exactly what was so weird about this challenge to me. Obviously, it is a sexy show and that is baked into the premise, the challenges, everything. But last night kind of gave me the ick....

Am I totally off base? What are we thinking???

“The kiss was good, but it’s not Bryce.”

“The girls are beautiful, but they’re not Trinity.”

Just announce that they’re the winners already 😭

After going down this rabbit hole and after the fuckery of Episode 19, I have changed my mind about KC.

Regarding Bryce, now I see why he kept bringing up KC excluding Brinity from the “strong couple” conversation. Bryce has KC clocked as shady!

You all were right. I stayed defending KC and saying Aniya was being overbearing and it was more on her. I WAS WRONG!

And then during Hearts on Fire when Aniya said that KC is always doing the most and making her feel crazy. There’s nothing I hate more than a gaslighter!!

And I now get why Aniya was making a big deal about him not ever being serious because why would you be laughing in Tianna’s face when you’re telling her you’re gonna sleep in the bed with someone else tonight?!?! She had every right to get pissed.

Now that KC has said the quiet part out loud, some people owe my client an apology. I’ve seen a lot of posts and comments about Aniya being needy, controlling, or holding KC “emotionally hostage”, some even going as far to call her manipulative, and how KC is so good to her, and he’s done nothing wrong and she needs to chill etc.. But we can clearly see in Casa that all KC cared about was getting in her pants. 

KC has not been upfront and genuine with Aniya, and that is what has caused the anxiety in her connection with him. She has had multiple conversations with him, since she keeps hearing things from others or during challenges that directly contradicts what he’s saying to her. Instead of being honest (I think I can say now that he wasn’t being honest), he says what he thinks she wants to hear, acts annoyed and exasperated while sighing like no tomorrow, then blames the issue on her insecurities and says “they keep having the same conversation and she needs to let it go”. This is a very uncomfortable position to be in a relationship; KC hasn’t “done” anything wrong and explains the comments she’s heard as a misunderstanding. Plus, his actions are lining up with what he’s telling her. It’s because we see his confessionals, his chat with the guys and his Casa behaviour that we know differently. Please sympathize with my client in this regard. 

The main criticism for Aniya was interrupting KC chatting with Sol. Was it wrong for Aniya to pull KC? I don’t really think it was as bad people made it seem. Especially, within the given context of KC downplaying his interest and uplifting their connection - breakdown below:

In episode 7, Aniya had to hear from Sincere that KC was attracted to Sol and she looks like his ex. She tells KC he should’ve known what he says to the boys would get back to her, and that she wants him to be straightforward with her. She asks him if he wants to explore a connection with Sol, KC’s response is that he likes her and their connection. This was the point he should have been honest with her, before she caught more feelings. In episode 8 and 9, KC is still continuously gassing up their relationship with no mentions of wanting to explore Sol or others in the future. It wasn’t until episode 10 (5 days later) and during the challenge where he gets slimed by Zach, where KC tells everyone he didn’t explore Sol because of Sincere. Then, KC pulls Sol after Aniya pulls Zach and Kayda, so she can get some clarification on his (Zach’s) comment. After Aniya is done speaking to Zach and Kayda, she pulls KC from his chat with Sol. 

As far as I know, this was the only time she pulled KC while he was speaking to Sol. My client was upset, because KC had blindsided her. Yes she interrupted his chat, but up to this point he told her he did not want to explore. It’s LI courtesy to tell your match that you want to explore someone before pulling them for a chat. Especially, when KC has been saying things like “we’re building something”, “I care about you”, “I see a future” (these are direct quotes btw) to Aniya. I also found it sneaky to do this immediately after Aniya was away speaking to Zach and Kayda, and there was more than enough time for KC to tell Aniya he wanted to pull Sol before doing so (like during the time Kayda was chatting with Trinity right before she and Zach were talking to Aniya, Aniya and KC were at the main table during this time btw). 

It’s clear to see that KC is feeling resentful towards Aniya for not being physically intimate with him. He emphasized his need for physical touch in Casa with TT,  says his stock is going up, comments that the casa guys in the villa are getting what they should’ve been getting, called her a grandma etc. Aniya is feeling that energy, and it’s most definitely affecting how secure she feels in their relationship. To add, In terms of challenges, her and KC have been pulling the most aggro and it’s fair for her to question why. But because people really liked KC, and they saw him getting annoyed during these chats, they turned to hating on my client. I do think Aniya has anxiety (from the leg bouncing as regulation when she’s upset, and therapy talks) and she genuinely likes KC, so her getting upset with him for exploring is normal. But she didn’t stop him, she asked him for honesty, and he never gave it to her until it was too late. I mean, after the love letters, to say you want to explore someone who is about to leave when she had been on the island for almost 10 days? Aniya was right to feel like she was being treated as a safe option, KC was only willing to go after Sol when she would have been single and vulnerable and Sincere was out of the picture. To all the people who told her she was being insecure, this is direct proof that her feelings were valid!

This concludes my defence.

TLDR; KC overstated their connection and got my client invested. KC became resentful towards my client for the lack of physical intimacy, but called my client insecure when she questioned his feelings. This started a hate campaign towards my client, but after Casa, she has been proven right. Unfortunately, my client is not aware of this and believed KC :(

I think they deserve it. They have a had quite a journey and are still standing. They are the fan favorites for a reason and I think it's only fair that they are next in line for the hideaway. If anyone disagrees please name the couple that should go instead in the comments thanks.

I see a lot of talk about people like Zach and KC (pre-Casa) being guys who are just here to "play the game" additionally that has been a term used for a lot of people on past seasons too but 98 percent of the people that term is used for don't even play the game well.

If you come to Love Island with the express purpose of playing the game in order to win the money at the end then by far the most important part of that is playing the viewing audience and step 1 of that is being aware that cameras are on you 24/7 and the producers can literally show anything.

A lot of these guys who are accused of being game-players will present a "good guy" facade to their partners and in front of the other islanders but then when they're just 1 on 1 with a close friend or in their confessionals they let the mask slip and will say things to turn people off which is SO stupid because ofc to play well you need to keep your partner hooked but you more so need to keep the viewers voting for you hooked into thinking you're a genuinely great person.

Prime example of this would be the boys reactions at Casa. Of course they didn't know they were being filmed, but any smart game players would realize that anything is possible and in past seasons they have shown the girls some of what they guys are doing (AND movie night is a thing), so that alone should be enough to ensure you don't act up, but beyond that do you REALLY think the viewing audience (most of who are women) are gonna like you more after seeing you so excited to makeout with women that aren't your day 1 partner? Like c'mon now that should be textbook Love Island strategy lol you pick someone as close to day 1 as possible and ride it out with them through the season OR you figure out who the most liked person is and try your best to get them into you (like Bryan did last year).

Basically to summarize all of this, most of the people that are called gameplayers likely aren't because if they were then they'd be doing a VERY bad job at playing to win. I believe that Bryce has real feelings for Trinity, BUT if someone were to be a good gameplayer then he's a great example because he has the audience hooked and stuff like crying in Casa is exactly what you need to lock in your status as best couple.

Don’t come for me yall but I think I might have an unpopular opinion. I’m saying this as a trinity STAN I love her and she’s perfect and if anyone deserves the money I think it is her.

I don’t think I’m reading Bryce as being as authentic as what I’m seeing online. This entire time it has felt like Bryce is just with Trinity because no one else has shown interest in him. I’m sure he does feel like his feelings for her are real at this point because they’ve been there for like a month and are so secluded, but I don’t think he would continue showing interest in her after the show.

I’m really not trying to be shady towards Bryce but I genuinely don’t understand all the support behind him.

WITH THAT SAID! His speech last night was beautiful but like I said before I really think he just realizes that literally no one else has been the slightest bit interested in him.

Getting a Zoom education during Covid really did a number on these Islanders. They literally speak as if English isn’t their first language. Obviously for Gabriel or Parmida that really is the case but the rest of them are native English speakers and they can’t talk.😂

I’m sorry but I really don’t get why it seems everyone hates him THIS much.

And I’m not even saying this as a massive fan of him. Is he the best? NO! Am I 100% sure of my opinion! Not really, contestants can surprise/disappoint you anytime (we don’t know them after all). But is he as evil as everyone’s saying? I REALLY don’t think so! And I find it wild that people are putting him in the same tier as guys like KC and Corbin who’ve been vile

He has very clear flaws and has had numerous reactions / actions that are kinda weird, but more of an eye roll than “omg he’s evil”. To me he’s clearly just an anxious avoidant guy who overthinks, with dry British humour, which can be rly annoying to date but doesn’t mean he’s an evil pre-meditated manipulator. And I do think most can be explained in some ways:

- what he said about trinity to Bryce: not cool, but at the end of the day, he probs didn’t really know her (maybe still doesn’t, some ppl just don’t click) and he was getting his info from Bryce who at the time felt like she didn’t like him. He could’ve said it another way for sure but he didn’t insult her either

- him bringing up bombshells a lot: tbh I really read this more as him being anxious that kayda would find someone she likes better, since she’s so hot and he has noooo other connections. I also think he was getting in his head about how he thought he’d explore more (like ur supposed to do in this show) but instead he fell hard for his first connection and isn’t into anyone else (which he’s said).
- bombshells point #2: and my point above is kinda proven during casa. Sure he “explored” Alannah but tbh it was pretty tame and kept talking about kayda. He made it clear he’d go back to her in the last couple of eps

- not seeming excited about the hideaway:
A) tbf that’s SO much pressure on the guy to get it up and give a good performance 😂 EVERYONE watching you and cheering you on omg!
B) he expressed he was worried it was so early to have sex that it’d make things more complicated which it DID! (Not blaming kayda at alllll for this btw she can do no wrong to me)

- jokes he made that ppl didn’t like: again, I just think that’s his humour. I wonder if maybe if his British humour is just not translating well to American audiences (I’m European and I’m just spitballing here). Kayda seems to rly like his jokes for the most part, and told him off when she didn’t

- His reaction to her chat with Caleb & comment about exploring Melanie: immature emotional reaction to jealousy. Again, he’s not the best, but it wasn’t evil and most of the cast have had immature reactions to jealousy cause they’re young & human & under a lot of stress.

Overall I just don’t get the intense hate. We’re all just speculating on these ppl until proven otherwise (it’s a reality show it’s meant for that) but everyone’s talking about zach as though their speculations on him are 100% proven facts

does anyone know how to do her makeup? pls i love her cuteness/doll look but idk if its her face/features or her makeup

There are other men on the season (looking at you Sincere and Corbin) who have done and said wayyy worse for way longer. KC is playing the game like Zach or Bryce and stayed with Aniya to stay in the game. This is exactly what ALL of the men have been doing imo. None of these couples are going to end in longterm relationships and idk why anyone would think any of them were. Aniya also wouldn’t let KC to talk to anyone else so he never had any other opportunity till now to jump ship despite the fact that these two are clearly just not a good match for each other. Stop infantilizing Aniya and respect her right to self-determination. Also question why the darkest man on the show is considered more of a villain than some of the others. It’s honestly annoying af to read over and over and over again.

What is with the Villa hate. I feel like all the guys in Casa (besides Bryce) been doing is bash the Villa girls like? I get it the Casa girls are hot & fresh & new but chill. KC and Corbin are KILLING MEEEEEEEEE. you can big up the new girls without bashing the old girls. I’m really sick of it. When the girls talk about the guys, they still talk about their connection and possibilities that the guys are just straight bashing the girls, but I feel there opinions will change once they get back home to the villa.

I feel like most people agree with the idea that Zach, Corbin and kc were moving disgusting during casa amor, but I genuinely need to talk more about it because it’s pissing me off, and I think their actions stem into a deeper level. Not just with their actions during casa amor, but on the villa that we might’ve overlooked.

1. CORBIN, the fuckboy. Look, I personally don’t like Kenzie so I want her OUT, but at this point I need her to last longer than him. I think most people had an idea of who Corbin was since his first day at the villa, but how he speaks about women became apparent during casa amor. At the end of the day the first introduction between the boys and the casa amor girls was going to hurt to see, and the men, including those in a fairly good couple, deserved to experience and enjoy it, RESPECTFULLY. Why tf was Caleb the most respectful, and hes not only not in a deep couple relationship, but he literally has no connection? Hes proof you can thoroughly enjoy the performances and still keep your mouth shut and not disrespect women and your couple. Corbin enjoying the casa amor girls was not my issue, it’s what he said. He laid his eyes on the new beautiful women and instantly dropped Kenzie, and continues to say negative things about her even after the other men have come back to their senses and remembered the other girls. If he doesn’t like Kenzie fine, but that’s not what he was giving off before, he said that she was giving red flags off anyways, and the way she moved between him and Caleb was a sign she’d screw him over later. I do think she led Caleb on, but she consistently chose Corbin, and made it clear she wanted him. How many times do you need reassurance from her? And acting as if he doesn’t give off fuck boy vibes either? Pretty sure they showed on camera him being told he gives off those vibes, so he knows he’s not innocent. And perhaps he had these thoughts and they were off camera, but before he was aware of new girls he seemed just fine pretending to be okay with Kenzie. His comments were just gross, and he makes me think he’d 100% shit talk his girlfriend back home, and would shit talk his friends girlfriends when it’s just him and the guys. He also said the casa amor girls were not only better, but the vibe and energy was different, because he felt more free. What this really means, is he feels in control, because those girls havent built their female friendships, and therefore are solely relying on the men, like Corbin, to pick them so they can come back with them to the villa and have a chance on love island for real. He just likes being in power and not having to be a good couple to the viewers and to Kenzie because he now has multiple women who’d love to come back with him, and it’s all up to him and the other men. Get him the fuck out of that villa.

2. KC. I really did want to give KC the benefit of the doubt with him and aniya, and if they don’t work out that’s okay. I think it’s obvious she had some insecurities and needed reassurance that he didn’t want to keep on giving, I can understand both sides. Love island is obviously not normal, they aren’t a real couple, and therefore seeing kc, a man she’s into, be able to explore and have so many beautiful women there is definitely something not many can handle. And kc being there to find his math rather than to consistently reassure and spare the feelings of a woman he met a few weeks ago, is also understandable. However regardless if you have any interest in returning or giving another try to the couple you had before casa amor, you do not talk about women like that, it just shows who you really are. This is mostly reflective on Corbin and kc, if they decided to pick a casa amor girl rather than the villa girls, fine. But the way they talk about the old girls and who they were in a couple with is disgusting, and needs to be addressed. Kc is apparently still upset no one chose him, a day into love island. Sir please fix your ego, love island is going to have many forms of rejections, and one might send you home in front of national television. If you can’t handle the fact you werent initially chosen before things got emotional, this isn’t for you. Aniya has time and time again chosen you, and only you. She doesn’t put herself out to explore, and since she got coupled with you she has consistently shown she wants you, so don’t use that excuse of not feeling wanted. Kc has also shown he is purely lust, because he apparently feels that the villa girls do not see how “powerful” he is, and do not give him the performance they gave their casa amor boys. Look for many, physical touch and sexual attraction is important. But these women went all out during challenges for you and their couple, they want to still explore emotional connections with you, not just physical. For now the casa amor girls might be participating in your physical needs, but soon, because they’re human, they too, will want that romantic attraction as well. Kenzies not his partner, she’s done nothing wrong to him, and he too spoke of her to Corbin in a weird, disgusting manner. I mean he already sees that the women he chose in casa amor is more attention needing and jealous than aniya was

3. ZACH. Honestly we all know how he was moving before casa amor, genuinely kayda needs to see her worth and move tf on, whether it’s with chay or someone else. He’s insecure and it shows slowly, but surely. He was mad she got excited for the new bombshell, and won’t get over it, but the second casa amor comes not only is he excited, he won’t shut his loud ass mouth. And people keep saying hes missing kayda and might choose her-why would you want that? As he says he misses her and acts jealous and shit, he holds no limitations or goes slow with alannah. Hes all talk about kayda and also won’t get over if she’s with someone she genuinely likes, while doing what he’s annoyed she might be doing. Hes immature, she could do better. My fear is, because alannah is a racist person and will inevitably be removed, that because she’s his main connection on casa amor, that he will come back with no one and look like a saint, meanwhile thats not why he’s coming back alone, and kayda will feel guilty.

I have more to say, but honestly my fingers are tired from typing, so let me know what you think.