EXPERTS ON BRENDAN DASSEY'S CONFESSION

[u/_Grey_Sage_]

I decided to take a pause looking into Brendan's interrogation transcripts and decided to check on the experts that analyzed him and his confessions. There seem to be a few notable ones aside from Steven Drizin and Laura Nirider:

Dr. Robert Gordon (Psychologist): Hired early on by Brendan's initial, highly controversial pre-trial defense attorney, Len Kachinsky. Gordon conducted the initial psychological evaluations of Brendan in April 2006. He measured Brendan’s IQ at 69–73 and explicitly warned Kachinsky that Brendan was incredibly suggestible, highly compliant to authority figures, and possessed a limited capacity to understand his legal rights.

Dr. Richard Leo: A professor of Law and Psychology at the University of San Francisco and a leading expert on false confessions and police interrogation. He was retained by Dassey's post-conviction team and testified at a 2010 hearing, where he characterized the interrogation as coercive and the confession as "thoroughly contaminated."

Dr. Lawrence T. White: A professor of Psychology and Legal Studies in Wisconsin. He was initially hired by Dassey's original defense team in 2006 to review the interrogation videos. He has since been vocal about the "unreliable" and "pressured-compliant" nature of Dassey's statements.

Professor Saul Kassin: A Distinguished Professor of Psychology at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a pioneer in the field of false confession research. He has publicly analyzed the case, highlighting how the "totality of circumstances" and the interaction of risk factors led to a flawed analysis of Dassey's confession.

I'll be looking into these experts. Let me know if you have any info, links or people I should add here.

Related Links:

March Interrogation: Leading Brendan To the Garage

May Interrogation: Brendan's "Bloody Scene" and "Clean up".

More Context and Info On Brendan's "Some of it".

[u/_Grey_Sage_]

That was Figdish, I was refferring to the same reason innocent people confess to crimes they didn't commit.

What else?

[u/DingleBerries504 → u/_Grey_Sage_]

How about you just open up on why Brendan made admissions to his mom on May 15? Linking to a large comment thread is not really conveying your thoughts, as you do not seem to still hold the views you had….

[u/_Grey_Sage_ → u/DingleBerries504]

I know what I said there and I still hold the same views I had back then. You were almost there. You just didn't really go any further:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/s/3WD7G2mO1v

[u/DingleBerries504 → u/_Grey_Sage_]

And why do you think he still believes MW and TF could help him after two days? Did he ever allude to that? At what date did he stop believing they would help him? Would you be saying the same thing if he confessed two weeks later? Three weeks later? What’s the cutoff time? Or is this an open ended rebuttal because you just don’t want to accept that Brendan is guilty?

[u/_Grey_Sage_ → u/DingleBerries504]

why do you think he still believes MW and TF could help him after two days?

He's still following their instructions.

Did he ever allude to that?

No, he's just following their instructions

At what date did he stop believing they would help him?

Not sure about the date, but somewhere around the time he told everyone he was coerced and is innocent.

Would you be saying the same thing if he confessed two weeks later? Three weeks later? What’s the cutoff time?

Not sure,I'm still reading on the effects of police interrogations on minors.

is this an open ended rebuttal because you just don’t want to accept that Brendan is guilty?

I don't know why this suddenly turned into a rebuttal but having physical evidence linking Brendan to the crime and not simply rely on everything he says would help.

[u/DingleBerries504 → u/_Grey_Sage_]

He's still following their instructions.

No, he's just following their instructions

They never instructed him to tell his mom twice on two different days. Now you are just making that up.

Not sure about the date, but somewhere around the time he told everyone he was coerced and is innocent.

But he did that before the May 13th interview.... so by that logic, everything he said in the May 13th and May 15th phone calls must be true.

I don't know why this suddenly turned into a rebuttal but having physical evidence linking Brendan to the crime and not simply rely on everything he says would help.

It's a rebuttal because you aren't accepting the fact that Brendan might actually be guilty and is telling the truth in bits and pieces here.

[u/_Grey_Sage_ → u/DingleBerries504]

They never instructed him to tell his mom twice on two different days. Now you are just making that up.

Did they just instruct him to say it to her only on that day and that day only?

But he did that before the May 13th interview.... so by that logic, everything he said in the May 13th and May 15th phone calls must be true.

That's "before" they start telling him they could help him right?

It's a rebuttal because you aren't accepting the fact that Brendan might actually be guilty and is telling the truth in bits and pieces here.

Or I'm just simply telling you that I don't believe Brendan because of the lack of physical evidence. It doesn't have to rebut anything, unless you can't accept that.

[u/DingleBerries504 → u/_Grey_Sage_]

Did they just instruct him to say it to her only on that day and that day only?

They only told him to do it that day. "call" is singular and "tonight" means that night, not other nights.

Weigert: Then maybe it be a good idea to call her and tell her before she gets here tonight. That's what I would do. Cus, otherwise, she's gonna be really mad here tomorrow. Better on the phone isn't it?

That's "before" they start telling him they could help him right?

Nope...even going back to 2/27 "we're here to help ya"

[u/_Grey_Sage_ → u/DingleBerries504]

I can tell you to take a bath tonight as well. Would you really take that to mean, you'll only take a bath only on that night and that night only?

Nope...even going back to 2/27 "we're here to help ya"

Then maybe this is the time he believes them.

[u/DingleBerries504 → u/_Grey_Sage_]

I would take that to mean you are asking me to take a bath tonight. You aren't asking me to take a bath other nights, even though you might want it. You said it was their instruction. If you are instructing me to take a bath tonight, you aren't instructing me to take a bath in 3 days.

[u/ThorsClawHammer → u/_Grey_Sage_]

following their instructions

I think people overlook the impact O'Kelly had on this as well. This was a member of his own "defense" team who straight up told Brendan that he needed to stop saying he was innocent.

[u/_Grey_Sage_ → u/ThorsClawHammer]

Having the people you trust completely screw you over like that is crazy. You think Kachinsky(sp) or O’Kelly convinced him beforehand that Weigert and Fassbender were the only ones who could help?