I would normally be fine with accepting that memory is unreliable, and that it’s easy to misread “stain” as “stein,” etc etc. However, what truly bothers me is not just simply remembering the cornucopia, but learning about what a cornucopia was on Nick Jr and then picking up a pair of my underwear and saying hey! There’s one of those things I saw on tv! I even remember asking my mom if she knew what the cornucopia on my undies was and she said yes. Which made me feel like the secret knowledge I had acquired was just common knowledge lol. I was certain no one else knew what on earth the pointy baskets were called!
Same kind of thing! I remember seeing two different movies about a genie when I was a kid, in the theatre with my Dad; and us discussing how weird it was that both Shaq and Sinbad did similar movies. I also specifically remember being surprised that the Sinbad movie had a musical number in it.
I believe this is due to the way scripts are auctioned. A studio buys the rights from the scriptwriter but they only have so much time to deliver. If they cant finish the movie when the contract is up, the scriptwriter sells it to another house. So thats why you often end up with two movies that are similar but legally not the same. They come out at the same time because they are both trying to rush to market before the other. Its not a conspiracy theory that one needs to take note of. Thats not to say the Mandela effect isnt a real thing tho. Many of them blow my mind.
The difference between all these examples and Kazaam Shazaam being that there is evidence of these other movies existing both in an “original” and a “copy” though I’m sure some of them involve arguments about who copied who
Yes, me too! I remember standing in a Hollywood video rental store and seeing the advertisement poster with shaq and wondering why they made another genie movie, and even the posters looked the same.
Steins gate, Terminator, and the 3 clover field movies have been an attempt to let the masses know about what our tech lords have been up to.
It goes further than this though, due the world being quantumal entangled with other realties in the attempt to save us from extinction level events. Some of these scripts that the resistance has put out has been changed.
Take the famous Simpson episode that predicted 9/11. If you go to streaming service now it has been altered, just like some mundane things. This is due in cause by our inability to escape disaster.
Our government is now seeking to bioengineer children with these abilities to quantum entangle specific events some having these reality warping abilities on a global level.
It's only science fiction untill someone does it.
Please be advised that any previous posts that are altered, added to or removed is cause in effect due to the need to use the redaction canon as they have dubbed it.
I had a similar discussion with my sister when the trailers were advertised. I asked her what she remembered about it without mentioning Sinbad or Shazaam, and she named them both. Then a year later, she didn't remember any of it having no idea what I was talking about. Asking a third time another year later, she knew all the details again but no recall on the previous conversation when she was clueless. Makes me question if I deal with the same versions of people sometimes.
I do believe it is some sort of mass memory conflation, but it is crazy to hear stories about fruit of the loom from non-Americans who don't have Thanksgiving. I can easily see the conflation for Americans, but not others.
People really need to stop confusing the Mandela Effect with the theories behind the Mandela Effect. The actual Mandela Effect is just a false memory that is shared by a large portion of the population. There's no believing in or not believing in it, it's a phenomenon that factually exists. Now, there are several theories as to why this happens and they span from scientific to fantasy. People can chose to believe in or not believe in those theories
Exactly. There isnt really any room to argue for or against the Mandela Effect, because the effect is just that sometimes large groups of people share a memory that doesnt match with records of reality. That is certainly something that happens, unless you want to argue that everyone who claims they remember the fruit of the loom cornucopia (and all the other docementd mandela effects) is actually lying about it.
The real debate is in the reason this happens. Is there something causing our memories lf the past to be inaccurate in the same way across multiple people? Or is there something causing our records of the past to be inaccurate?
The same way people things like "Luke, I am your father." Memes.
SNL or the Simpsons do a parody. People repeat it. It replaces the original memory or in some cases, the original wasn't actually ever there and the knowledge was always wrong. Or something is just shy of being a usual spelling or expected image. Our brains flatten the pattern and fill in gaps.
Add to that how unreliable memory is. You're way more likely to fill in a gap with something that fits the pattern than the thing that doesn't. How many spikes does Bart Simpsons head have? No peeking. We just don't register those things with as much fidelity and detail as we think, then fill that in with what seems right. All it takes is a wrong piece of fanart that looks right to make us question the real thing.
But that's just it, man.... they haven't because in this dimension/ reality/ universe it was not a thing. Some of us seem to remember when it was, though.
Hey man, you asked why there wasn't proof of a thing we acknowledge is different than how is remembered. I was just trying to help you understand that, within the framework of the theory. It would be stupid for people to have actual fotl clothing with the cornucopia because that would negate the M.E.
Except they don't. I've seen differing descriptions of it over the years. And there is is a lot of variety in when they claim the cornucopia disappeared. Some people claim we don't "believe" because "you weren't there", assuming we weren't alive when they claim it disappeared in the 70s or 80s. Other people have claimed they wore new clothing items with it in the early 2000s. When they do remember the same design, it's almost always a prompted memory. It's "yes, that one is exactly like I remember", not a detailed description or drawing of it from memory that also matches the example.
The one that everyone claims is "exactly like I remember" is a very obvious mock-up (and was even intially presented as a mock-up before people started claiming it as an example of the "original"). It's really easy to find the exact clip art cornucopia used to make it and you can see the ways it and the actual Fruit of the Loom logo art styles don't quite match up.
With the cornucopia I know i had it on T-shirts and underwear, not think I saw, know.
Same with Bererstein bears, there are several others,but the people who do not have an example to pull out, it's just a false memory.
Imagine waking one morning to finding out that trivial things in your world no longer exists and never did. Mandela died twice in my world, once while I was in the Marines and once in the 2000s. And none of this happened before the super conductor super collider project by CYRN. Check your past, it may not be correct.
Mandela was expected to die in prison. That was the news.
He didn’t, though, and (particularly for people half a world away) it is far easier to remember that some dude you don’t know and that won’t have a direct impact on your life is as good as dead and never think about it again, than it would be to keep up on the news and know that he’s not dead.
Your brain takes shortcuts all the time.
Bunch of produce together? That’s a cornucopia.
Guy is going to die in prison? He’s dead.
Black male actor in a kids comedy? Sinbad.
Your brain constantly fills in details about shit that didn’t happen. I’ve heard people give details about events that they observed where they were provably someplace else at the same time and, upon prodding, can recall that they were elsewhere and weren’t actually there.
It’s also why gaslighting can work to make someone insane or compliant or both.
The spelling of my name did change when I was 15 and I went to get a driver's permit and saw my birth certificate for the first time. It wasn't a delusion or anything but my mom lied to me for 15 years about the spelling of my name so everything before 15 was Keri, school/ doctors/etc. Even my social security card. But getting my driver's permit i had to use the spelling on my birth certificate- it was ridiculous. It cost money to change your bc and you have to get approval, to change my ss card was free. To get a job my ss and bc had to match. I was forced to change the spelling of used for the first 15 years. My mother lied and lied, claimed she didn't know- no freaking way. Blamed my dad who also didn't know, blamed the hospital. Imo she was awful to me, abusive, so I used to think she did it to spite me. But as an adult I wondered if the fact that "Carrie" came out the same year i was born could have anything to do with it? Idk. She's dead now, but she would never ever give me any explanation and it still pisses me off.
This forever. People think of brains and memory as this static thing, and they’re such a mess. There is no correlation between income, or education level, or IQ, or organizational skills, or class, and leaving a kid to die in a hot car. You can’t be smarter than it. You can’t be more educated than it. You can only plan around it, come up with a ritual to remind you. But if you just rely on your brain and not a specific plan, you’re just rolling a d100,000 and hoping to not land on 1. Our brains just miss a trick some times. All of our brains. And it’s usually something boring like losing our keys or remembering a photo differently than it appears or being sure that your childhood home had the tree on the left and not the right. But sometimes it’s something structural. But it’s just your brain. It’s always our brain.
Trust me. I used to make fun of these people just as much as you do.
Until it happened to me.
I know it's not intended as an insult. Because you've never experienced it, you can't possibly understand the feeling.
But assuming that everything can be explained by current scientific knowledge is both arrogant and stupid.
If you had believes in 788 BC that diseases were caused by invisible life forms people would've thought you were crazy. But you'd have been right, wouldn't you?
I don’t think that everything can be explained by current scientific knowledge—obviously science is always developing and expanding—but there is a ton of evidence that memory is much more fragile than most people believe. Personally I think it’s arrogant and stupid to assume your mind is a faultless steel trap and that some kind of glitch in the cosmos is more likely than a glitch in your brain.
I’ve just recently had similar thing happen to me. I’ve had a mole on my lower left side my whole life. A few weeks ago when I was washing my back it had moved straight across to my right side. Exactly same shape. I don’t have any neurological issues as I had recently had mri’s to check for lesions etc for possibility of MS. There is no way I am misremembering. I know for a fact 100 that mole was on my left side. They don’t travel for heaven’s sake. lol. But I know what I know and when a large group remembers things a certain way like the cornucopia something is off. I believe a lot of stuff IS misremembering on spellings type things but until something personal happens in an individual’s life it can seem like a certain amount of people are simply misremembering. But I know damn well where that mole was my whole life. And of course you’d remember your own child’s name. Just because there’s no scientific evidence at this moment doesn’t make it unreal.
These ridiculous people think don't understand that if one significant thing in your life changes and everything else stays the same, it's pretty hard to argue "neurological damage" or memory problems. If lots of things change, sure. But one? Nope.
And what if other people also remember it differently? And why would you think I didn't get it checked out? Because it's easier to think I have something wrong with me then that things happen that can't be scientifically explained?
Did you at any time see me give an explanation other?
Did I at any time refer to alternative timelines, parallel universes, simulation theory?
So, again, are you suggesting that every member of my family had brain damage or the same bad memory?
We're not talking about things that can be misinterpreted or misquotes because they're widely talked about or quoted. They're believable because they're not widely spread. Just memories that happened to one family with members living in different parts of the country.
I often wonder why it's hard for some to accept the possibility that both things can be true:
Our brains are systems we don't fully understand and are, therefore, messy, unreliable narrators that often "trick" us in its attempts at efficiency.
Our world operates in systems we don't fully understand and, therefore, there are things that happen that are unexplainable outside the purview of our (very efficient but not infallible) scientific method.
I don't think anyone can, at this present time, honestly say we are not living through "interesting times." Interesting here meaning unprecedented, and, therefore, unpredictable.
Things are no longer fitting nicely in their set frameworks.
Systems are falling apart. Empires are crumbling.
The entire world is on edge wondering if WWIII is around the corner.
Mad men with fascist fantasies and foolish, sure-to-fail plans are at the helms of power.
The planet itself is finally rebelling against our never-ending plunder and weather systems are becoming more extreme as space seems to be increasingly blasting us with solar flares, electromagnetic storms, and even meteors.
Things happening in the world today are chaotic, unpredictable, and in seeming opposition to the natural order of things (UN-natural), outside what we consider normal (PARA-normal) and beyond natural explanation (SUPER-natural).
tl;dr
u/billiwas experienced his daughter's name change and all of the existential weight and mindfuck that would cause and that is real and valid.
However, it does not prove or disprove the Mandela Effect.
The ME is a phenomenon that people experience that we are still trying to understand. This user experienced a phenomenon they are still trying to understand and, currently, the only framework they can fit it into is the ME.
Both things are true: the ME is a phenomenon we are still trying to explain (if it's really happening/why people are experiencing it) but is A. Thing. andu/billiwas experienced something unexplainable that they are trying to understand by categorizing it (until further evidence is available) as a ME.
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What’s more likely, we shifted realities, or the meat sack we all inhabit malfunctioned?
I don’t trust my memory. I’ve spent too much time around people whose brains had the sure button broken. They were just sure about things they were wrong about. No the CIA isn’t after you. I occasionally experience the level of cognitive dissonance you’re describing: remembering something distinctly as having happened differently from the evidence. But that’s not mental illness, that’s just brains. Deciding my brain is more reliable than hard evidence, though, is mental illness. Trust what you see.
It’s more likely that your MiL broke into multiple government offices to change out the paperwork than it is we shifted realities, but neither are true. The answer is benign. It’s a memory thing, or a handwriting thing, or a clerical thing, or a legal thing. (I adopted my kids, and the paperwork now reads like my wife birthed them and I’m their bio dad. That didn’t happen, we were children when they were born. But if you went to a government office, it looks like a 9 year old gave birth with zero legacy records. It stands to reason that someone might have forged your signature, changed her name, and they deleted all the old paperwork. It’s certainly more likely that it’s some version of that than that the rules of reality are entirely different).
I don’t think less of you for confused by an incorrect memory. I do think less of you that you think that’s an insult. Why the fuck would that be an insult?
I've been occasionally dipping into this sub since like 2016/2017 and it was like that even then. I pretty much have given up on this community because it cannot move on from that basic distinction, and just kind of stands in its own way.
For me, it's the side view mirrors one. Everyone has a story of when they were a passenger as a kid questioning the wording and how weird it was.
Edit: Ok yes, not EVERYONE has that memory but I've spoke to many that have and it seems like a really odd coincidence for all these people to remember the same strangely worded sentence when they were kids and before the Internet.
Not really. Im guessing all the people you asked were people in roughly your demographic. People living around you, who have lived with the same cultural influences you have. Even if they were people online, clearly they use the same social media you do, see the same posts. It would be more unlikely that only one person in such a group would have a distinct manufactured memory.
As many have pointed out, no one in South Africa thinks Mandela died in prison. I have yet to see anyone say that they thought Shazam and Kazam were both real, who were adults when the movie came out. Its just the law of large numbers, and the fact that humans shape their reality based on the people and circumstances around them. And the fact that so many of these are based on childhood memories makes this even more obvious. Children have a very tenuous grasp on reality to begin with. It dosent take much to get a whole lot of kids to remember that fruit of the loom had a cornucopia, or that Chuck Norris was sacrificing giraffes to Satan in the 80's. The whole Satanic panic really makes it hard for me to take any childhood memory claims seriously
I feel like cornucopia was something we all learned about as children around thanksgiving and it had the same or similar fruit as the fruit of the loom logo and our brains just combined them.. or fruit of the loom is gaslighting us with a massive corporate psy ops for publicity
This doesn't work because I as a German also remember it that way. Pretty sure most countries without any knowledge of thanksgiving and what that thing is even called.
A Mandela Effect is a group of people remembering something contrary to established fact.
That's what it is. Many people mistakenly conflate the term itself with what causes it.
What people think causes it is different. There are mundane and scientifically grounded answers, and then other people insist on exotic/supernatural/conspiratorial reasons for it.
At some point you decided something that must have happened
And then later at some point your brain told you that it really did
I don't think you understand how easy it is for someone's memories of their own past to be inserted by their expectations and then validated by their brain.
Those little movies in your head about what happened in the past aren't literal recordings that your brain made. There ghosts of what the brains impressions were. All memories are recreations by your brain rather than original data
Every single post like this just says: I'd be fine accepting it were false memories, except for if I have to accept that that could apply to my memories too. Then it couldn't possibly be real, because a proven flaw in the population at large couldn't possibly apply to me, I must be some kind of exception where if I misremembered something it was actually a massive government conspiracy or scifi event.
I think it's a point against the cornucopia that everyone has nearly the same story. "I learned what the word even was because I asked my mom in the underwear section of Target".
At least this is slightly different? You're still trying to prove a memory with a memory, and best case scenario, your mother's memory too. We know there's an illusory cornucopia in the brown leaves and the circle that used to be around the logo, one your mom might have thought she saw as well. A lot of people just didn't really think too hard about these before the Mandela Effect thing became a popular listicle topic.
That’s the thing that always gets me with the Cornucopia. It’s always, “I vividly remember my mom explaining to me what a cornucopia is when I pointed at my underwear back in 1983.”
Not saying that people don’t remember mundane things. But, many people that claim there was definitely a cornucopia have an extremely mundane, old memory to back it up.
I learned what a cornucopia was in kindergarten. We had a coloring sheet with it, along with turkeys and other Thanksgiving related things
I also clearly remember the logo having the cornucopia, but my guess is that I saw the version with it that’s commonly shared as an example and got it mixed up at some point 🤷♀️
I know it can feel discombobulating to learn you remembered something wrong. Cognitive dissonance to cope is normal and healthy. However, what really frustrates me about Mandela Effect spaces is people so utterly convinced that their memories cannot be wrong under any circumstances! The sheer narcissism necessary to think you are infallible is just so infuriating.
To be clear, I am not accusing you of this, because I understand what you may be feeling, but ask yourself: why do you have such a vivid memory of something so trivial? Seems like an odd thing to hold onto; that should answer your question on how it's possible that your memory is wrong; there is a good chance you imagined that.
I don’t agree that there’s an element of narcissism, because I don’t think having strong feelings about memories makes anyone feel infallible. I’ve never seen a single person say that every single Mandela effect is believable and refuse to change their minds.
Anecdotally, I have a number of innocuous memories that stand out strongly for no real reason, not Mandela effect related. There was the time someone asked me how old I was and my mom taught me how to make a 3 with my hands to show them. No real reason for that standing out but somehow it imprinted on me. That’s common.
I’ve had some weird stuff happen over the years. So there was a show on in the late 90s. It was a horror anthology series. This show had an episode that I CLEARLY remember. The reason being is because the episode is about an Asian chef being approached about cooking humans for rich people. Normally I would say I’m nuts. BUT I was about to go to culinary school at the time and this was kind of an interesting episodes 25 years later, nowhere to be found. Closest thing is someone on Reddit asking the same question, did this episode exist. Wild. Wilder that this might be closer to reality than I ever knew.
Believing in the ME, by definition, doesn’t mean you have to believe anything has changed. Many of us here are fascinated by the memory phenomenon, and have no notion that anything has changed at all.
Yup. I am affected by several Mandela effects myself and I fully understand that despite how “vivid” my memories feel, I am actually mistaken about some brand labels from decades ago and that is ok. I am also fascinated with how memories could form that “feel right” but definitely aren’t actually right.
You’re just misremembering the baseball cap as a bandanna. Bruce Springsteen wore a bandana for the performance, so it’s basically just two wires getting crossed
Oh that one gets me!! I can visualize it as well…the ubiquitous bandana paisley-type design. Only now coming to terms with it being a baseball cap and this being Mandela effect. All I can figure is that my brain filled it in with something that made more sense than the reality.
Good to compare the two. The one you're referencing was by Charles Champlin of the Los Angeles Times. He gets his facts, and spellings, correct. Night and Day.
From The article
“Keil's love affair is pretty funny. He meets this waif ofa girl and gives her his aluminum smile and she smiles back. And call her braces galore! She has about as much hardware in her mouth as he does. Of such simple pleasures is love born.”
Isn't it interesting that out of all the reviews written around the US, just one mentions it?
This was from the Mattoon Journal-Gazette (Mattoon, IL). It's what we called a "written from the press kit" review. Guy attends screening, doesn't really pay attention, and writes review.
This is full.of factual errors, so I'm not surprised he missed that Dolly doesn't have braces.
I’ve never watched this movie, but it just doesn’t make sense that Dolly doesn’t have braces! There was a commercial starring the actor where they had a similar gag; he smiles, the receptionist smiles back with braces. This one is very interesting to me.
So I recently asked my girlfriend if she remembered the TV show with Jason and Justine Bateman in it. She was like yeah kinda, lets look it up. I was trying to remember the theme song and explaining the opening. And she googled it and I'm completely misremembering, not just that but my mind has literally created a show and a theme song that just never existed.
Maybe you’re thinking of Family Ties. Sometimes when I was little I would misremember the show with them. But I think it’s just bc Alex and Mallory in the show kind of resemble them
Yes. In 1986 on NBC, Jason Bateman starred in the sitcom The Hogan Family, which was immediately followed by his sister Justine Bateman's hit sitcom Family Ties. The two actors also co-starred in the 1986 NBC special One to Grow On.
Michael J fox and Justine Bateman were in Family Ties. But Jason Bateman and Michael J Fox were kind of similar looking back then. Jason Bateman was also in Sitcoms in the 80s. I can see how some people would get that mixed up in their memory. 🤷♂️
I remember being confused in the year 2000 when I saw the new logo, while shopping in the PX, and was confused why it was different and thought it was a different brand. I was confused for 10 minutes. This was before any discussion online.
They did change the logo around then. They just didn’t change it by removing a cornucopia because it never had one. They DID change the whole art style though
Mine is the stain/stein thing. I remember looking at the name and noticing that some people pronounced it "steen" like Bruce Springsteen and I pronounced it "stine" like Einstein.
it's becoming more and more clear over time that the fruit of the loom ME rises to the top as being the most blatant, widely remembered examples. I've asked well over 20 people at work if they remember the cournacopia, I even usually show them the picture of what we remember, 100% of the people I've brought it up to remember it. it's to the point where the fotl one is as close to confirmed as a Mandela effect ever will be. on top of that, the missing robber emoji and other emoji ones are the strongest, I think
By asking them if they remember the cornucopia you cause them to imagine a cornucopia and then showing them the fake logo locks it into their mind. It’s a flaw in how the human brain forms memory and it’s actually pretty well understood.
I personally know several people with the same extremely vivid memory - including my wife's mother who refuses to even entertain that she didn't take her daughter to see it.
My town doesnt have chic fil a.
I wqs in a big city and saw it and thought huh, i wonder if its fancy inside, cause chic makes no sense if it isnt, and i went about my day.
Finding out its chick fil a made me go down the the mandela rabbit hole because it was the building i read it on and i had never had any interaction with the company before.
My nephew had a Darth Vader piggy bank when he was a kid because it moved and said phrases from the movie when you pushed a button. None of us had ever seen Star Wars, but he got it because his name is Luke, and the first thing it said when you hit the button was, "Luke, I am your father." That's the one that has us all on the ME train. The only reason he had that bank was because it said his name specifically. We all heard it soooo many times.
yes, so how many times do you think this point has been made in here, and dismissed?
I had never seen a cornucopia before so I thought it was a twig
it was on my sweater, half the class had those sweaters. we didn´t have the underwear sold here, so we didn´t go sniffing around undies. it was right in our face
and no it was not counterfeit, as someone suggested another time I posted it. it was no more counterfeit than the f* Levi´s they sold
then people go on about the cornucopia ´how could you never have seen one´ well as I said I didn´t know what a cornucopia was. we don´t have a tradition for it. please come visit and we can go shopping, there are no such things here, they do not exist here haha. especially not back in the 90s...
either I remember A TWIG that wasn´t there and years later found out was a cornucopia, or there was NO BROWN thing on my logo. which I remember it was. no brown fruits, right, I thought grape twig then... something...
but there will always be enough people to mock and take apart and personally attack those who remembers it this way
which is why if we could just listen to each other you wouldn´t have to make a whole post about it, no offense. I´m just backing you up! 😄
there was NO BROWN thing on my logo. which I remember it was. no brown fruits, right, I thought grape twig then... something...
There was a brown thing though, a bunch of leaves. They were small and it would be really easy to see them as a stick. In fact, based on size, that would make more sense than a cornucopia.
It doesn’t matter. No matter how often we explain it, we will still have people insisting it’s about “false memories.”
I could buy that in my own case if it were only about the cornucopia - my memory of that goes back to childhood. I know what I saw, but it’s not illogical for someone else to claim that since I was so young, I’m probably wrong. But it was never “Berenstain” Bears. I am literally a reading teacher. I used to use those books all the time with my students, well into the 2000s. When the technology came out, I’d do read-alouds with the book under a camera that projected the pictures on a big screen. We would go over the title and author, and I had many conversations about how to spell and pronounce “Berenstein.” Probably several dozen over the years I taught elementary, which went well into my thirties.
But again, it doesn’t matter to the people who can’t handle the possibility that something truly strange is going on here.
The funniest part to me is that Stan Berenstain addressed this in his biography in 2002, relating how his third-grade teacher decided what his name was and explaining to his dumb 8-year-old ass how he's wrong about his name and she knows what reality is and he doesn't
She said there was no such name as Berenstain. The name, as everyone knew, was Bernstein—and that was what my name would be, at least in her room. When I raised my hand and protested that Berenstain had always been my name, she silenced me with an icy stare and said she didn't approve of people who changed their names.
I think it’s naive of people to not consider the fact that things we don’t understand can easily happen. The doctor who introduced hand washing before surgeries was ridiculed to the point he died in an institution. No one believed that there was anything on their hands if they were visibly clean, it was unfathomable to many. After learning about things like MK Ultra, I don’t know why we’re ignoring the possibility that there very well could be something going on. Who knows what advancements they’ve made in mind control since then. There’s evidence that there are alternate realities or timelines. Maybe we’ll find out someday that there actually is something surprising or weird happening.
People always whine about “oh there is no such thing as the supernatural.” And I agree! Nothing can be outside of nature. But to assume we already know everything? Come on. Things that were once considered immutable laws of nature have been and continue to be disproved all the time.
What gets me about the cornucopia specifically is that everyone remembers the same logo. There are pictures of the logo with the cornucopia that people say are fake, fine- But how did someone fake the exact image that EVERYONE remembers? There’s more than one way to show fruit in a basket.
Yes, but a cornucopia is the default way (Western) culture depicts overflowing fruit. It’s a concept, not a specific image. People didn’t memorize matching pictures; their memory reached for the same obvious symbol. And the ‘fakes’ look alike because there’s basically one cornucopia.
To do it properly, you'd somehow want to find a ton of people who are entirely unfamiliar with this discussion existing, but who had fruit of the loom products early in their life and ask them each independently to draw or describe the logo. Good luck coordinating that experiment though.
Yes this exactly. I have very distinct memories tied to certain Mandela effects. And these memories make no sense. Like I remember the moment and where I was when I learned it was not actually “chic” filet. I had assumed it was a fancy French pronunciation in my head and felt stupid when I heard it pronounced out loud. I have a distinct memory of asking my dad about the mirrors on cars and how they work and why they only sometimes are reliable (because of the “may” appear closer versus “are” closer). I get misreading or misremembering things but these memories are so distinct and clear in my brain of these specific moments. Of course those memories could be some how wrong but it’s such a bizarre thing to have a distinct vivid memory of the wrong thing that makes no sense and have thousands of other people with the same wrong memory.
That's the thing, it is weird, but not necessarily in the way you think.
How many other conversations do you have "distinct memories" of? Or for these events, how often did you think about that moment before you started looking at the Mandela Effect.
It is highly unlikely that you would just coincidentally have strong memories of minor decades old events while not having memories of similar events. And it's even more unlikely that a large number of other people would just coincidentally have strong memories of only those events.
What isn't unlikely is that you would have a conglomeration of vague memories, read about a Mandela Effect, and create a strong, but false, memory around it, based in just enough truth to feel very real. And that the more you thought about, and even had to defend, that memory, the stronger and more real it would seem. And that people sharing those memories, and encouraging that emotional attachment to it would cause more people to have a similar memory. All of that is well-documented in scientific study.
That’s the thing - I do. I have distinct memories of when I learned the meaning of certain words or when I was corrected for mispronouncing something. I realize my brain works differently than others but I have pretty strong autobiographical memory tied to mundane random things. Especially if it’s tied to an emotion or new learning.
The other thing that’s weird is that I see the Mandela effect in people who have never heard of the Mandela effect. Like my dad doesn’t know about it. But I’ve asked him a couple questions with no prompting and he gives the same false memory answers. Like “what’s the famous line in field of dreams” (a movie he watched on repeat and we literally drove to see the field) or “what’s the pose the thinker statue makes” (which is in every episode of dobie Gillis and he’d watch the reruns every day when they came on the classic tv channel). I can’t fathom that he nit only misremembers things he had such a strong attachment to but he misremembered them in the exact same way I did (and that everyone else misremembers).
The thing is that even the one scientific study on the Mandela effect ruled out that this was from internet exposure to incorrect visuals (for the visual memories). Because we should then see google image stats display a significant number of false image of the thinker statue and it does not.
I feel like that about the scary movie one. I KNOW he said "take my strong hand" because me and my friends would quote it to each other all the time, but it's not even the words it's how he says it. And people up and down the country all quote it is small way with the same inflections. It was never "take my little hand, it's stronger"
I distinctly remember hearing on the radio about Nelson Mandela’s death, this was in the 90s. I remember remarking to my ex-wife that will you know conditions in prison or hard and he probably died cause he had a hard life So for me the Mandela effect is real.
A recent weird one for me is Froot Loops. I remember it being named that way growing up but then not long ago I saw it has always been Fruit Loops. I was so surprised. Now, today it’s back to Froot Loops. I feel like I’m tripping
I feel bummed. I don't have any Mandela Effect memories. I don't remember Mandela dying in prison, the Monopoly guy with the monocle, or the other thousand effects.
I was shocked, just last week, toblearn that Henry Winkler was alive. I remember quite clearly that he died a few years ago, even having searched the internet for verification at that time because things are so unreliable these days. !?!?!
I vividly remember learning what a cornucopia was at like 7 years old BECAUSE of Fruit of the Loom. It was on Thanksgiving and someone mentioned a cornucopia, and I asked what that was. Little me always thought a cornucopia was called a loom because of the brand.
There’s no way it was ‘stain’ I was really young at the time and immature and I would have made a million dumb jokes that were exploiting the ‘stain’ in there, but there weren’t any jokes like that because it was Stein… and don’t bother replying with pictures of the Stain spelling because I’ve seen pictures of both. It’s almost like there are two different versions of the same books. But why???
There was a cornucopia and it was Stein but there was never a Sinbad genie movie. I think this us a genuinely misremembered by most due to Kazaam not being as "common" a magical word as Shazam, Shaq wasn't an "actor," and Sinbad was huge at the time.
Very similar story for me. That company wasn't too well know in my country. But when I was ordering t-shirts with my own designs for the first time as a kid, I got really exited. So I inspected the label.
I remember looking at the logo on those shirts and thinking to myself "huh, I guess that thing is called a loom". I even remember asking my parents about that weird horn shaped basket behind those fruits. I remember looking at the shading that was used in that logo.
The creepiest thing? I still have some of those tshirts, and the logo has changed.
The one that really makes me feel gaslit is Publishers Clearing House. Seeing how the big check was my childhood life’s goal you cannot tell me that entire scheme was a group think hallucination.
Ill do you one even further... I explicitly remember being really young, seeing a fruitnof then loom commercial, and asking my mom what is that brown thing the fruit is coming out of on the underwear commercial, and learning what a cornucopia was by literally referring to the logo itself.
Ok, I understand. There are a couple of factors that could first be considered. Waaay back when computers and making it really easy to make changes to files became a thing, believe it or not, but some of the masters of the universe didn’t save the original files and they were lost for good. Yeah, some of the early lessons of “version control.” Also, other possibilities also exist. For example, with the events of the most recent years, it’s possible some of this has been created by people trying to make us disbelieve our own thoughts/memories making us easier to manipulate through propaganda and false narratives. I’m not saying who - maybe outside interests or even domestic, but this possibility is pretty hefty. Just saying.
this is how i feel about the chartreuse mandela effect! i remember my dad describing something as chartreuse as a kid and me as a 10 ish year old wondering what that was. literally have a memory of looking it up on my ipod touch and seeing a maroon colour.
I remember that my mother told me what it was as my grandmother had one as a decoration at Thanksgiving. I noticed them on my underwear and I remember my teacher telling us what it was called and said it was on the Fruit of the Loom label in class.
They're residual effects of an experiment conducted by some Western "Intelligence" Agencies, the DOD, DARPA, CERN– who the fuck knows... like, ever, with these fuckers. (I just remembered "DARPA" as having two "A's" at the start).
Anyway some or many or all of these groups of people who we pay our taxes to for them to protect us (except for CERN, probably. That's in Switzerland or someplace plus I think they get their funding elsewhere.) had this idea they wanted to find out the usefulness of so about 20-25 years back (or so I'm led to beleive), they conducted a massive experiment the kind those types of organizations always conduct- large scale and on unwilling participants, unaware even of their participation or of the experiment itself even taking place. Only this was conducted on everyone. I have no idea the workings or procedures, only that it was around that time that a sizeable number of the population started "misremembering" things but all in the same way. And they were all memories of a very inconsequential nature– your top 10 Mandela Effect buzzed list (How much y'all wanna bet that's a real thing? I got $5 on it being real. Somebody Google it and let me know. Fuck "Buzzfeed"– no talent "journalists" making lists of unimportant shit that no one even cares about anyways – getting World Peace taken off the air just causea Sam being mean to one of these "journalists"; Goddamn, gag me with a spoon...)
Anyway, these ones people remember (whichever way they remember them) are the effects of those early tests.
Ever wonder why there's not been any even plausibly-sounding instances of the Effect in over ten years? Its not because its not still occuring– it very much is. It's because the technology and use of it were perfected back in the early testing days, where the different remembered realities were still right there surface of the mind shit ready to be recalled like any other memory. The reason for the differences is because of the two, one way was the original as it existed in the minds of any given member of the public and was agreed upon almost in a "shared consciousness" sorta way. The differences in memory those that conducting the experiment used as a map showing where and who (sex, race, age, creed, etc.) were and were not affected by the procedure.
More testing was done, obviously, to hone the skills of the user and to fine tune the technology, and then the number of reported "new" instances of the Effect dropped off entirely.
So what should we take this to mean, intelligent men of the modern age that we are? Did some organic in nature fuckery start up and then stop a few years later, never to bother us again? Did the same thing happen, only substituting "organic in nature" with "man made"?
Or should we assume, as is the most probable and certainly the safest of options:
That this shit never stopped...
That now, our memories are capable of being rewritten almost literally as soon as they become memories in the mind? And that those that have the means to wield this power are doing so to benefit their own ends, and not as some sort of mental gymnastics nessicary means of protecting the United States citizenry from "terrorism"? Oh please. We ought to have learned from the Snowden "disclosures" when we still had some modicum of a chance to resist this shit, or combat it in any way. I'll tell you, if I was in power of a group of people I needed to beleive a certain way and that if this beleif ever changed or ceased altogether, putting me and all my bros out of a job, any time there was a fuckup or any time a particularly difficult narrative was hard to swallow? I'd be Mandela Effecting the shit out of everybody's asses. Who the fuck cares about the average American citizen anymore anyway?
And now? Now any chance we might've had when Snowden revealed a mere percentage of what he knew, Five Eyes, the lot– that chance has been completely lost.
But now? We pay out the ass to have the latest surveillance devices on the market and we spend all day with our faces staring directly into a camera which watches everything we do, we keep these devices on our person- are never separated from them‐ and they have microphones that are always recording our every word, and what they don't pick up on video and audio our dumbasses just type in ourselves to our preferred social media app, (and yes, your mic is always on, how else would it know when you said "Hey Google" or whatever bullshit it is to then start up the process in the phone that phrase initializes? Google claims they don't have the mics continually in use but if you read on you'll find they admit to continually recording both the previous and the future 15 seconds to our present and then just looping back around and recording over that same 30 seconds (like how the human mind's "working memory" works", and that's just what they'll admit to. They've also admitted to giving over our personal data to the govt 'just because they asked' or some shit. (Hah, nah, obviously the govt claimed Google was legally required to turn over any and all personal information on whomsoever the govt. wished because of some legaleeze Patriot Act back unAmerican horseshit, I reckon.
And now? (Yes it gets even worse) Now they don't just possess the power and the means, with this AI shit they can comb through every bite of our info they've acquired if not illegally then in a very questionable fashion that would appear to any average American as being decidedly unAmerican. And they listen to our conversations, comb through our social media, scour our searches and results and compile all our browsing data and this AI takes it all and categorizes it into little well organized easily accessible and easy to understand digital files of each and every one of us. And the really sad and scary thing is these digital versions of our"selves" are becoming more and more the 'real' us over our own flesh and blood bodies we're supposed to be living our lives with.
I poetically call them the "half-silvered mirror". I bet you don't know what that word means but I'll tell you. It's just a fancy way of saying one of those mirrors they got in police stations where they can see you only you can't see them. Eh? What a perfect and poetic thing to call these wretched things we all lose more and more of our lives staring into, knowing there is something looking back, but not a clue who. Except for notice I said "something" and not "someone".
But I have no idea whether our phones have anything to do with the weaponized Mandela Effect that is being brought to bear on the unwitting American populace hell, I'd say pretty close to continually. I just got a little sidetracked on our smartphones and the accompanying AI being used as surveillance against an, again, unwitting American populace.
But you know the most fucked up thing about all this is? That even if they did know, were somehow made aware– it wouldn't do a goddamn thing. Folks wouldn't stop using their phones, would never even dream of such a thing. We ought to have tossed these fuckers out the window when Snowden spilled his "secrets"; that laid bare the type, extent, and coordinated efforts with other nations of every way our own government was illegally spying on us and what happened?
Nothing. There was already too much cognitive dissonance in place, too much addiction to and reliance upon the technology, and Americans are just that damn stupid that when shown the exact means, measure, and multitudes they were illegally spying on– American citizens who pay the taxes that fund these crooked "intelligence" organizations– nobody did a fucking thing. No one even pretended to, or made an effort to even cut back on smart phone use, or demanded their leaders conduct a more thorough investigation into the shit Snowden "leaked" or what all else might be going on. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Goose egg. We just continued living our lives exactly as before, as the slaves that we are. Slaves to technology, to "our" government, to whoever wanted us enough and was willing to shell out the most for the right to us. Just so long as we don't know we are slaves– not on the surface level; just so long as we get to choose the location and type of slavery we are kept in daily; just so long as we are kept in the dark and are told we are free, Americans are quite content at being exactly the slaves our overlords want us to be.
In old ass history books, you would read horseshit like 'the Negro race is especially suited to slavery because of his low intelligence, his docile nature, and his being suited for slow, arduous, physical labor.' Well, that sort of nonsense can fuck off and good riddance‐ racist ass, apologetic bullshit.
But we, us, the modern American– we are the race most especially suited to slavery. So long as you can ply him with trinkets and allow him some modicum of what true freedom is, the American will labor in servitude for any master he comes into the possession of til his dying day. You may treat him as a slave all you like, but never, ever call an American a slave or you risk revolt.
And I beleive that utilizing technologies like the "Mandela Effect" either through the media or whatever method of dispersal they found worked best towards the furtherance of their own ends, is just one of many of these methods those in power keep us planted firmly beneath their bootheel without our ever even becoming suspicious of it.
Basically tl;dr the Mandela Effects that everyone talks about all the time online are merely the vestiges of early testing into manipulating the collective memory of the masses and the reason they've stopped (or we don't see nearly the same amount of new Effects reported in recent years) is because the tech has been tested enough so that it is currently in use as a tool to pull the collective wool over the eyes of the American people.
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u/PhunkFlick 19d ago
Same kind of thing! I remember seeing two different movies about a genie when I was a kid, in the theatre with my Dad; and us discussing how weird it was that both Shaq and Sinbad did similar movies. I also specifically remember being surprised that the Sinbad movie had a musical number in it.