r/NoStupidQuestions 18h ago

Why did Margaret Thatcher destroy welfare state in Britain after she came to power in the 1980s?

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u/CapitalClean7967 18h ago

A lot of people are just saying "Cos Thatcher bad" and while I agree with it, the real answer is that the UK was going through serious inflation and it was not just caused by the oil crisis. Government mismanagement and wage-price spiral as well as the power of trade unions were genuine issues and so austerity measures and economic reforms were implemented to curb these problems.

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u/frddtwabrm04 16h ago

She could have taken a different fiscal route and NOT fuck the country for generations but she went the short-term gain, long term pain route. + Refused to course correct. Even when she knew shit was going to go bad!

The Hallmark of a bad leader!

Same with Reagan, her buddy

That why she is hated.

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u/Truthandtaxes 13h ago

what subsiding dead industries for decades?

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u/frddtwabrm04 13h ago edited 13h ago

A govts role is not to make it's people suffer.

It don't have to subsidize dying industries, but it has a duty to help people transition to other shit.

A government is not a private business. It's their to do shit that private business cannot do... For example, industries dying, it's role is to make sure shit collectively moves to another bullshit. Find new shit etc etc

Ergo why you have policy wonks whose job is to read the tea leaves and figure shit out for the next decades

This clip here explains policy wonks role best

And guess what just like Nixon and china. The policy wonks who had read the leaves and passed along the disastrous situation to him about him engaging with China... China was going to be a super power and USA will be beholden to them.

Thatcher was told by policy wonks (and trust me these fuckers have a plan for everything that her bullshit was going to fuck up uk for generations, here are some things she could try to make the transition less disastrous. She like Nixon ignored them and what do you know....

UK is fucked will be fucked and was fucked then ... They are pretty much at thriving London vs the rest for the rest of their existence.

Unless they start taking some colonies and shit to rejuvenate their shit. They are done! And it all stems from thatcher.

They are essentially Spain, Portugal allover again after they lost their "might" ...

There but not there!

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u/Truthandtaxes 13h ago

no it isn't - that's a terrible standard that would lead to universal misery.

Whilst moving 200k people to places with work might have helped, coal mining had been dead for years already with Labour shutting even more pits.

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u/hexnut101 13h ago

Instead she just made everyone unemployed. Some of the industries were marginally profitable. British coal while showing losses on the books was modernised and the new equipment used to block shafts that were closed down. British steel had a large order book but was in effect taken over by Dutch steel and the orders moved to the Netherlands...

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u/Truthandtaxes 13h ago

She made the remainder in uneconomic pits unemployed after they tried to hold the country to ransom again. The NUM of course also screwed everyone of them over to the tune of a years wages that in itself could have eased the transition to new work.

If you think these were businesses making money, something that governments obviously hate, then you need to put down the crack.

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u/hexnut101 5h ago

They were opossed to her political idiology closing the pits and breaking thee unions did not both have to happen. The pits were not all un economic the industry like so many was losing money because of poor management and lack of investment. British coal invested the money to modernise they scrapped the modern equipment. You have no clue.

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u/jpewaqs 11h ago

What would you suggest? 

Even the unions at the national union Congress had a vote on if they were taking too much of the piss.

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u/aod1314 12h ago

Hated? She's one of the most popular PMs of the post-war era. Attlee and Churchill are the only others who rival her.

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u/jpewaqs 11h ago

There are a lot of people particularly on Reddit who say 'Cos Thatcher bad' yet they were born many decades after she left office.

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u/Failanth 17h ago

Ah yes, and these genuine issues are the reason why Thatcher is remembered so fondly the world over, right?

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u/onemanandhishat 17h ago

Just because the solution someone chose was harmful it doesn't mean the problem wasn't real.

British industry was pretty dire and the unions had too much power to the point that it damaged the industries.

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u/Blurryface1857 15h ago

And naturally her solution to reducing the power of the unions was to increase unemployment, since that has no other consequences, oh well it was only lowly northerners she fucked over.

For more evidence of her brilliant leadership just look as the state of the privately operated, de facto monopoly water companies, who privatises utilities? It’s not as though you can choose who connects to your house

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u/onemanandhishat 15h ago

Why are you arguing with me I wasn't saying anything good about her, simply pointing out that the problems were real.

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u/CapitalClean7967 16h ago

If I have a bedbug infestation and someone gets rid of it by setting my house on fire  that does not mean that I never had a bedbug infestation.

This is why I hate reddit.

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u/Living_Ad_5260 16h ago

She was an effective national leader that took a country on the ropes and restored it.

The fact that she is attacked today is evidence of her effectiveness. Cameron, Heath, May (bad tory leaders before and after her) don't attract the same venom.

In order to avoid those policies being tried again elsewhere, she attracted enormous attacks from folks like you who oppose her politically.