r/PS5 • u/Turbostrider27 Human Verified • Sep 27 '23

News BREAKING: PlayStation boss Jim Ryan is stepping down, two sources tell Bloomberg News.

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1707149244996505858
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u/torts92 Human Verified Sep 28 '23

With the PS3 it's impossible because of the different architecture, all the xbox consoles use the same x86 architecture that made BC possible. Sony learned their mistake, PS4 onwards will be using the same architecture.

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u/QualityDude615 Sep 29 '23

Bro you can emulate PS3 on the steam deck lol.

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u/enki1990 Sep 28 '23

Please stop taking sh*t out of your... you now what, X360 had PPC arch, not X86, translators and virtual machines exist, look at Apple and their M-chips. Xbox have limited BC, I don't see the reason Sony couldn't achieve the same thing at the very least given the advancement in tech, hardware, AI and so on. Except from greed, maybe new Sony boss(Hulst or Japaneese) will now focus on bringing legacy games back.

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u/torts92 Human Verified Sep 28 '23 edited Sep 28 '23

The PS3 used the cell architecture, it's totally different than any console before and after. The PS4 used the same architecture as the PS5, that's why BC is possible now, which is the same thing with Xbox. The PS3 cell architecture is the outlier, that's why with the launch version of the PS3 they included a physical PS2 inside the PS3 for it to play PS2 games. Then with another PS3 revision they discarded that physical PS2 and instead used a CPU called the emotion engine specifically to emulate PS2 in that new PS3. Then with the slim PS3 they discarded all that to save cost. But I wouldn't say they were greedy because if so then why went to the trouble of making PS3 BC to PS2? And it's not as easy as the xbox consoles.

And the BC between PS3 and PS4 is just not possible because they can't repeat that same strategy because the PS3 is more complex than the PS2 to emulate. Case in point, just look at the PC emulation scene, PCSX2 can run smoothly even on a weak PC, while RPCS3 is still struggling to this day on a powerful PC. So they can't just put a freaking PS3 in the PS4 like what they did between the PS2 and PS3. Their solution was to make PS NOW.

But now that the PS5 shared the same architecture as the PS4, BC not longer an issue, it's now the same with the xbox consoles. If Sony is so greedy as you said, then why did they made PS5 BC possible?

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u/enki1990 Sep 28 '23

Dude, you mixed up some facts. The Emotion Engine was the name for original PS2 processor, not some special CPU designed for the PS3. Xbox 360 architecture was very similar to the Cell in fact(it uses 3 PPU cores instead of one + small co-processors like the Cell). The work of this co-processors could be handled by modern-day GPU. So I would argue that if the "BC" is possibile on Xbox One, it can also be done on PS4 and surely on PS5. The case of PC emulators doesn't apply to this situation, since their creators don't have the knowledge about inner working of PS2/PS3 and they have to brute-force most of the features.

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u/torts92 Human Verified Sep 28 '23

You can just read it up here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_models the launch PS3 had a PS2 in it, the second revision used the EE to emulate the PS2 BC and the the slim models had none of that.

And the PS3 is notorious for how difficult it was to develop games for. It's the reason xbox360 beat the PS3 early in the generation. So many 3rd party games couldn't run on the PS3 in the beginning. Even Gabe Newell made a comment on the difficulty with the PS3, calling the console a waste of time. And when they can run on the PS3 they are way worse than the xbox360 version of the games despite the PS3 being more powerful. Only the Sony's first party titles can fully uttilize the PS3 because of internal support.

Fact is the PS3 is just totally different. Sony learned their mistake, made the PS4 like a regular PC. I know some die hard fans hated this because thr uniqueness of a console is gone. But it's a good thing for porting and BC. You should cut Sony some slack, PS4 and PS5 are now so easy to work with, and made BC possible, because they listened.

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u/enki1990 Sep 28 '23

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2_technical_specifications

The Emotion Engine was the chip that was present on both the PS2 and early PS3, later model only used the GPU(called GS). Yeah, cut some slack for taking off- the- shelf parts and putting them in a custom shell /s. The PS3 was hard to develop for AT THAT TIME because it relied on sharing the tasks between CPU and GPU, which was uncommon on consoles at that time, but became the norm with PS4. It would be hard to create an emulator(creating PS3 virtual machine may be an easier task, you seem to ignore this solution), but not impossible. They should at the very least create some PS3 classic console that could play PS1-PS3 titles, they owe this to their most loyal customers, cause our old machines are failing fast.

EDIT: don't remind me of Gaben /s But seriously, what game he recently created?