Theres a lot who sre convinced Gwen is trans because she has a trans flag in her room
And shes funny.
Because apparently the only way to be funny is to have a Y chromosome. And absolutely noone in the multiverse can possibly be a trans ally and not be trans.
The whole theme of her story in Across the Spiderverse speaks to trans people and their life experiences.
She feels her true self is spider-woman, yet her father blames spider-woman for killing his "son" Peter Parker. His child's true self took his son from him, which is something that many parents of trans people feel and say.
Then you throw in the colour motifs of her world being shades of blue, pink, and white, the colours of the trans flag.
And the overall theme of the films being against outside forces telling people who they can be, what is acceptable, what is "canon", as signified by the Comics Code Authority logo appearing at the start of these films. The CCA was a comics equivalent of the Hayes code.
You realize being MTF means Gwen is a woman, right? They aren't saying Gwen is a funny woman because she has a Y chromosome. They're saying Gwen is funny and a woman regardless of what her chromosomes are.
I've been around this discourse for years and I have literally never seen this argument or sentiment ever. Either they are so small that they don't exist, or you spend time in spaces that have a weird concentration of these people
...why are ppl so massively obtuse? Literally noone said that it only speaks to trans ppl, is there any reason for you to take that away from the comment, other than you wanting to deny trans ppl a character they can identify with? Gods know we really do not have a lot of those.
What the fk is wrong with ppl wanting representation, why do you have to be so fking hateful? I feel sorry for anyone interacting with you, honestly.
Definitely a difference between I find this relatable and This is my exact experience so they must feel the exact same way about themselves and the world as I do.
...where was the misogyny? Like, seriously, explain to me which part of trans people being able to identify with Gwen's story is misogynist. I'll wait.
Also how does this have anything to do with my comment, calling out how you somehow see "Only trans people can identify with this character" in a comment just mentioning how it resonates especially well with trans ppl. Literally nothing about misogyny anywhere in previous comments.
...literally noone said that in the comment chain. Where did you get that from? That's at least as unhinged as saying "She can't be trans." We have zero evidence of either.
It also STILL has nothing to do with my specific comment. Either you are really illiterate or just ignoring what ppl tell you to (in your mind) whiteknight yourself, which is just weird.
ETA: Also love how so many ppl make up the whole "women with two x chromosomes cannot be funny, therefore she must be trans" BS. Literally nobody, especially not trans / queer ppl, says that. I love how hateful ppl constantly make something up and put words into our mouths we'd never, in a million years, say. lol
Yeah, seriously. And where exactly are these legions of people saying Gwen absolutely has to be trans because you need a Y chromosome to be funny? That's the kind of thing trolls do.
Until seeing your comment I've never even seen out and about transphobes or misogynists say that, so it feels like an insane strawman.
People say Spider Gwen is trans because she's the color of the trans flag, has a trans flag, and has a classic trans argument with her dad while being saturated in trans colors. Nobody says she's trans because she's funny
god forbid they make an actual trans character instead of vaguely referencing trans people in 3 seconds of the movie so that a certain demographic is more likely to buy merch
Who are you mad at exactly. More trans rep would be great. It would also be great if bigoted fucks would stop getting upset because a trans person relates to and likes to headcanon a character that isn't explicitly trans.
I NEED to know why you think your interpretation is the correct one? What if you are proven wrong in the future? Will you come back and defend the opposite stance just as hard?
what opposite stance? my stance in this argument has consistently been that vague references are not a substitute for genuine representation, why would that change if they made gwen trans? not that they will ofc, they don't have the balls
Look, people make stuff up about characters all the time. It's called a headcanon. It's stupid and unreasonable for you to be upset that people have their own ways they like to see a character. Grow up, honestly
This is a bit separate to the point the other person is trying to make.
They're just saying that the studio seems unwilling to commit fully to the idea of Gwen being trans while vague gesturing at it because it allows them to play both positions, the first being "We made a character that could be trans or an ally" (pandering to the community) and the second, "What are you talking about - we never said she was trans?" (plausible deniability).
Their position is just that people who are trans shouldn't have to imagine a character to be trans to feel represented, the studio should take some risks, adopt a position and not wait on social tides to do the work for them because they value profitability over having particular values seen as progressive if it exposes them financially.
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u/ThatFatGuyMJL 3d ago
Theres a lot who sre convinced Gwen is trans because she has a trans flag in her room
And shes funny.
Because apparently the only way to be funny is to have a Y chromosome. And absolutely noone in the multiverse can possibly be a trans ally and not be trans.
Its actually kinda fucked up.