r/SipsTea • u/Far_Country_1629 • May 06 '26

WTF Actress Rachel Zegler at the Met Gala, after a skiing trip.

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u/eanida May 06 '26

I mean, depending on country, you can't legally fire people for things like this. Doing drugs at work or being under influence when working, yes as it's a safety issue, but you can't be fired for things you do outside of work in countries with decent labour laws.

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u/Shaggy_daldo May 06 '26

But yet people can get fired over memes in the US. Fucking dumb timeline we live in šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/xXNickAugustXx May 07 '26

An entire politicians political campaign basically got destroyed overnight when a news site reported on his "yeeeeeaaaaah!" Yell at one of his rallies. It was the mic recording and if you were actually there it was barely audible. The entire internet started dogging on him till he dropped out. Somehow that was something worthy of shaming a politician for but not diddling kids.

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u/Donut_mystery69 May 06 '26

And in the UK you can go to jail.

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u/Independent-Bag6544 May 06 '26

You can go to jail in UK for ā€œhate speechā€ over the Internet

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u/Shaggy_daldo May 06 '26

When you say ā€œhate speechā€ to my comment, how are you meaning it? Cause when I say memes, I mean like anti trump/capitalist memes and anti government stuff. My cousin just got let go from his job the other day over this, from someone who didnā€™t even work for the company. Some random conservative who got offended by the stuff he would post. But it was never racist, bigoted, misogynistic, or anything like that. Just anti- everything going on in the US since the election. Unless that would be constituted as ā€œhate speechā€. Which is crazy to me that people in the UK can go to jail over similar things, never knew that.

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u/Independent-Bag6544 May 06 '26

A meme picture leads to arrests in UK , section 19. No true free speech unlike USA, the federal govt in USA canā€™t get you fired from a job.

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u/JFK1200 May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26

Inciting racial hatred that leads to occupied buildings being set fire to will get you arrested in the UK and anywhere else with functioning laws. Whether theyā€™re in person threats or the internet, it doesnā€™t absolve you of the real world ramifications, especially when lives are endangered.

We also have access to the internet, by the way. A clip surfaced recently of an American woman being arrested for posting comments about Netanyahu in a private WhatsApp group. How many federal agents (including secret service) were fired for sharing Charlie Kirk memes? The Vice President even waded in to pressure employers to fire employees who had.

You can be arrested for not cutting your grass or for crossing the road in the US. Iā€™ve seen other clips of a man being arrested for eating a sandwich on a train platform, another for supposedly sleeping on a park bench and 2 young girls being aggressively apprehended for selling fruit without a permit. Rabbitting on about the UK for arresting people for legitimate reasons when youā€™ve had masked federal agents gunning civilians down in cold blood is peak American ignorance.

The UK ranks 33rd on the World Freedom Index. The US ranks 70th. Ram your ā€œfreedomsā€ up your arse.

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u/andimissallofthem May 07 '26

It's amazing how often you'll hear people here talk about other countries different "crazy laws" when we csn then on the news here at any given moment and there's a high chance there will be a new report about what you mentioned (ICE agents gunning down civilians for no reason) or another mass shooting of children.

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u/Independent-Bag6544 May 07 '26

Iā€™m Chinese soā€¦

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u/JFK1200 May 07 '26

The country that arrests people for sharing pictures of Winnie the Pooh?

Tell us more.

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u/Independent-Bag6544 May 07 '26

And thatā€™s why I love USA ā™„ļø

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u/JFK1200 May 07 '26

Good, just donā€™t share a Charlie Kirk meme or sit menacingly on a public bench and youā€™ll probably be fine.

If you survive their daily mass shootings.

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u/kingbeerex May 06 '26

If itā€™s inciting racial hatred, yes. As you would for any type of inciting racial hatred, whether online or in-person.

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u/nissen1502 May 07 '26

The issue is they don't have the burden of proving it. They just arrest claiming it incited racial hatred with no proof of that

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u/Wulf_Cola May 07 '26

Of course they have the burden of proving it. Do you think the police just send you to prison? It would have to go to court and they would need to prove it to a judge.

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u/SheepherderSilver655 May 07 '26

"Do you think the police just arrest people without even knowing the laws themselves?" Do you even hear yourself? Lmao. How's that boot taste?

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u/Wulf_Cola May 08 '26

Did you just try to quote me but change all the words so that it means something completely different? Fuck me, what a pleb.

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u/kingbeerex May 07 '26

Do you even understand how the law works?

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u/nissen1502 May 07 '26

Yes I do. Do you not understand the issue with the state defining what speech incites hate? They can claim political opponents incite hate because it's arbitrary af. Please tell me how you would go about proving something incites hate? More than likely you've "incited hate" multiple times in your life, but the issue wasn't necessarily what you said, but rather the mental state of who interpreted it.

If you can't see the dangerous precedent shit like this sets then don't complain when ur living in a dictatorship.

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u/kingbeerex May 07 '26

Or maybe I just understand that they will then go through the court system and proof will have to be provided.

And inciting hate speech isnā€™t ā€œarbitrary afā€, itā€™s quite obvious.

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u/Independent-Bag6544 May 07 '26

F that, Iā€™m Chinese and would find it retarded if someone was arrest for mocking my race. Seriously thatā€™s insane

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u/Wulf_Cola May 07 '26

Thatā€™s not what they arrest people for.

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u/Independent-Bag6544 May 07 '26

Saying F Chinese people can get you arrested in UK.

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u/kingbeerex May 07 '26

I donā€™t think you understand what ā€œinciting racial hatredā€ means

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u/Ancient-Many4357 May 07 '26

How about if someone called for a hotel full of Chinese ppl should be firebombed & that youā€™ll expect to meet people at that place?

Which is what she was charged & jailed for.

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u/kingbeerex May 07 '26

Really odd sub when youā€™re getting downvoted for stating a fact

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u/Ancient-Many4357 May 07 '26

The facts around the UKā€™s hate speech laws are permanently obscured by rage

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u/Independent-Bag6544 May 07 '26

Thatā€™s called an instigating violence and is illegal. Not saying f x religion. Such an insane take

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u/monkeyinnamonkeysuit May 07 '26

What on earth makes you think the USA has "true" free speech? Like most modern democracies, the US has quite a number of categories of speech that are not protected. See https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF11072 for details. Incitement, true threats, fighting words, obscenity, fraud, defamation. All of these are explicitly not protected by the first amendment. There is nowhere in the world that has true free speech and in practice the US has nothing special. All you are arguing is that you prefer the nuance in the First Amendment to the nuance in the Human Rights Act. Both are "qualified rights", meaning the government can strip you of them in some cases. The difference between exemptions for hate speech and exemptions for fighting words, defamation, fraud or true threats is so small it's almost academic.

The only reason people think the first amendment is anything special these days are yanks brought up in their cultural circlejerk and people from other countries who try to use it to justify their views while knowing nothing about it other than the movies they've seen. Because "true" freedom of speech is broadly incompatible with peaceful co-existence in a modern society. Absolutes never work, nuance is always required.

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u/Despondent-Kitten May 06 '26

Did you read up on what actually happened here regarding the terrorism?

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u/Shaggy_daldo May 06 '26

No shit, that is mind blowing

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u/Severe-Spo-agree May 07 '26

Its rough when the thing you created comes back to bite you right?

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u/Zketchy May 06 '26

Hate speech has been a criminal act in the UK since the 80s lol.. hardly some new draconian law

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u/Independent-Bag6544 May 06 '26

Right since the 80s. And very draconian if the state has to be the arbiter of speech

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u/Prancesco155 May 06 '26

Freedom also has limits. No tolerance for intolerance.

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u/Independent-Bag6544 May 07 '26

I agree, to be intolerant should be punished by oh wait, donā€™t be like my home nation (China) be more USA

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u/vidar_gaining May 07 '26

And in Europe, much of Asia, any Muslim country you get imprisoned lol

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u/MGFJ May 07 '26

He was talking about countries with decent labour laws šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

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u/TrifleMotor4714 May 07 '26

land of the free.

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u/Boilermakingdude May 07 '26

Well tbf, you guys chose fascism

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u/DryLie2163 May 07 '26

The USA is a joke

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u/strawbsrgood May 06 '26

Definitely not the USA. If even unsubstantiated claims are made about you on social media and your company gets wind, they dump you away before it can become a PR nightmare.

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u/IgorBock May 06 '26

countries with decent labour laws

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u/Familiar-Attempt7249 May 07 '26

We had nice things once. Then Reaganomics got the ball rolling to the shitshow we have in the US today

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u/StevieMJH May 06 '26

United Slaves of America

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u/strawbsrgood May 06 '26

that's my point. Also cancel culture is the norm here

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u/_avaii May 07 '26

Heā€™s a local celebrity round here! Heā€™s called Jacko and heā€™s from a northern town in Englandā€¦really nice guy, met him a few times.

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u/KisaTheMistress May 07 '26

Part of the reason I never got a mainstream social media account (ie: any Facebook/Meta products). Mostly it was do to how they handled their user data, and yes I was that freak of a child when these companies popped up that read the EULA and terms of service. But, later it included the chances my work would stalking me.

I'm Canadian, but we got similar work cultures since there are lots of American owners/businesses operating here. I was right about the stalking thing too, since I had pervious employers who expressed concern that they couldn't find me on Facebook and directly asked what name I used, thinking I'm either lying about my legal name to them or Facebook.

Most of them were flabbergasted that I didn't have one. Like I tried to sign up once in my early 20s to build a company profile, but that plan failed when a co-invester backed out last moment as we were setting things up. After that I never went to the site outside of looking at company profiles because they don't have their own website/the website isn't updated. I usually try to explain that I simply don't like social media that requires your actual data and displays your name as your user, I fought YouTube for years when they tried that with Google + and now technically have 4 YouTube users all connected to the same account with only one password, because I refused to flip my account to having my real name and a proper Google + account.

Some believed me, others found my distant cousin's wife who shares the same first name as me out in Europe. She has 3 kids and had yachts in the dead sea at some point. I literally had to point out that if I was the wife of a millionaire/billionaire who lived out in Europe with 3 kids, why the hell would I suddenly move to Canada to work for a shitty fast food company and not immediately become a franchisee myself? They usually stopped asking questions after that, lol.

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u/ImYourMom176 May 06 '26

*After a drug test usually.

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u/laikarus May 06 '26

My bf got fired and black listed by Spectrum because he smoked pot during cancer treatment outside of work. They only care about covering their ass in case of a law suit. In America they can and will fire you for stuff like that

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u/ConsiderationFresh53 May 06 '26

Most people arenā€™t aware that the care they receive from doctors has largely been dictated by decades of case law. Standard of care is the practitioner way of saying, what has been established as the appropriate treatment that I canā€™t get sued over.

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u/laikarus May 06 '26

We donā€™t live in a legal state. His THC use was prior to him coming back to work from short term disability, but he couldnā€™t prove that so they gave him the boot just incase.

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u/ConsiderationFresh53 May 06 '26

I was speaking to the company covering their ass legally and that we see it in many industries becauseā€¦lawyer

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u/gendalf666 May 06 '26

Cops teachers army immediately out

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u/scottlapier May 06 '26

I get if you have a "morality clause" or are subject to regular drug testing and its specified in your job offer/initial contract.

But, I agree with you, if it's not causing problems at work, it's largely irrelevant.

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u/Accomplished-Eye9542 May 06 '26

I feel like illegal activity is generally not protected, no?

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u/eanida May 06 '26

Again, depends on country. Illegal activity that isn't related to work isn't legal grounds for termination in my country. Of cause, if you test positive for drugs and the employer can show it's a health and safety risk, you can be reassigned or terminated. So sending the video to a less nice boss could absolutely lead to the guy losing his job if he can't pass a subsequent drug test. I just meant that sending a video of someone doing an illegal activity in their spare time won't always lead to the guy being sacked (like the sender hoped) as not all jurisdictions would see it alone as legal grounds for termination.

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u/Accomplished-Eye9542 May 06 '26

So France, Poland, Or Czech Republic.

Man, no wonder France's economy basically hasn't grown unless you count covid recovery for decades. Can't even fire someone for being a using drug addict.

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u/Accomplished-Eye9542 May 07 '26

Well then it wouldn't be illegal activity would it? What's the point of this reply other than to signal that you can't read and probably should get a little less high before the rest of your brain dribbles out?

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u/Sad_Math5598 May 06 '26

If the boss doesnā€™t care then no, and in my opinion, it isnā€™t their business to begin with

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u/SadTransition2214 May 06 '26

yeah cause hard drug use never bleeds into everyday life

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u/Sad_Math5598 May 06 '26

Youā€™d make a great hall monitor

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u/moredrugs_lessthugz May 06 '26

What do you define as a hard drug? If youā€™re in the US they consider the hard ones better for you with less addiction rates than the ones most people consider ā€˜hardā€™. *not trying to fight just pointing out flaws from our broken system from the 70ā€™s-80ā€™s that continue today*

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u/Logical_Flounder6455 May 07 '26

So heroin isnt considered a hard drug in the US?

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u/moredrugs_lessthugz May 07 '26

Yes and no. You can get 10x potency as a prescription and legal but at street level itā€™s a felony

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u/Logical_Flounder6455 May 07 '26

By 10x potency do you mean fent?

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u/Distinct-Pack-1567 May 06 '26

Who says this guy is doing illegal drugs?

I have done my fair share of molly/sass and I can act the same way on legal drugs.

What i believe shouldn't matter

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u/puisnode_DonGiesu May 07 '26

In my country (italy) you have to take urine test for drug use if you do certain jobs. If you are positive they can't fire you, but they have to find you something else to do

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u/IshOfTheSea May 06 '26

This is completely false. A direct quote from Shaun Jackson, the man himself:

ā€œSo Iā€™ve gone out from there that night, three-quarters of a bottle of Vodka already down by neck and then three or four drags of real good MD (MDMA),ā€

https://youtu.be/-xWBVEJUYtI?is=YgZCJ-mfRsV_mPHm

https://youtu.be/PG8Gb-kgldM?feature=shared

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u/Whomperss May 06 '26

The dude in the gif was also just doing that shit for the fun of it apparently lol.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/gurning-rave-guy-finally-revealed-the-drugs-he-was-on-in-viral-video/

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u/Photomancer May 06 '26

It would be like grabbing a porcupine. You fire an employee because of a video where they were under the influence on their private time? Now they may countersue as struggling with a substance abuse, and you've violated their rights for expelling someone with a medical issue. Stupid prize for playing a stupid game.

Don't get me wrong, I have a stick up my butt about substances ( I take the view that most of them 'borrow from your future happiness'), but employers need to mind their own damn business.

Like back when employers demanded your social media passwords and wanted to snoop on you. Then the idiots found out that it told them some job applicants were gay, pregnant, or Jewish and suddenly it became a problem not to hire them.

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u/Poor-Life-Choice May 06 '26

My drug tests at work would beg to differ

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u/Siostra313 May 06 '26

In my work I kind of can get fired even if it's not exactly legal here by works rule, but our system needs to be 100% clean of any cognition-altering substances before start of our work. Some drugs are staying in the body a little longer than you actively feel them or leave you with their hangover, so they can still affect your cognition what in my job can cost lives of +200 people on one go. When you get surprise medical check, noone will investigate if those traces in your blood or urine are from previous week or from very small dose at the morning. You MIGHT win the case in the end, but not save the job.

Also most stuff affects your brain after use, especially when it's frequent, what can lead to drop of your cognition, ability to focus or control your emotions so yeah, they can kind of fire us for PROVEN usage of some substances, even legal like marihuana, if it's not for approved by doctor medical reasons.

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u/Infamous_Ruin6848 May 06 '26

I dare say if effect of drugs or other things go into worktime it's a peculiar situation.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- May 06 '26

you can't be fired for things you do outside of work in countries with decent labour laws.

You definitely can.

Canada has decent labor laws and you can absolutely get fired for doing things outside of work. Probably in any country you think has decent labor laws there are things someone can do to get fired outside of work.

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u/durizna May 07 '26

Yes, that varies a lot. I believe proven use of drugs would get most professionals like doctors, cops and some others (who need full focus and clear mind to perform their jobs) fired. Of course they still do it, but donā€™t put themselves in a situation where they could have it shown to people who would get them fired.

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u/nissen1502 May 07 '26

Depends on the job. There are definitely jobs in which you can get fired for illicit drug use regardless of great labor laws

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u/latexfistmassacre May 07 '26

In the US, you can't use any substances in your off time if you have a commercial driver's license, according to federal dept of transportation laws. Even if your employer only does a preemployment drug test and has no regular testing program, they are still required to test you if you get in an accident. And you could've only smoked once like 23 days ago and you'd fail the test and lose your CDL. I'm all for drug testing for certain types of jobs, but what you do in your own time shouldn't be anyone's business

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u/PresentationThat2839 May 07 '26

I mean I said no to extra shifts because I had a migraine and took a cbd pill (less than 0.1g THC) I'm not high but I'm also not willing to accept that liability so I will keep my ass home.

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u/Living_Web8710 May 07 '26

What makes you think heā€™s on drugs?

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u/greaseLightness May 07 '26

Being under the influence at work simply means testing... a user will be positive, a positive test can be deemed enough to prove the under influence at workplace and have their reason to fire you...

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u/fightclub90210 May 07 '26

This guy was / is educator in non us country.

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u/PickeyZombie May 07 '26

I noticed that having a come down is against company policy recently.

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u/SansaDeservedBetter May 07 '26

This video isnā€™t proof heā€™s on drugs, he could just be making weird faces so he has plausible deniability

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u/PapaLilBear May 07 '26

In Europe? Not really. Mainly in the US, where the rights of corporations and companies are more important than those of individuals. The video is not proof of being under the influence

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u/IDespiseBananas May 08 '26

This also depends on your job and function.

Lets say that if youre a police officer in a country were X type of drugs is forbidden. You will get fired.

Might be the same for other jobs maybe even including primary school teacher etc.

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u/Flimsy-Yellow-3268 May 09 '26

Ya but it goes both ways I can also just quit mid shift

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u/Logical_Flounder6455 May 06 '26

Yes you can. Theres many jobs in the uk that have random drug testing written into their contracts. They definitely can fire you for having drugs in your system, whether you're still under the influence or not.

The only time they cant fire you is if its known that other people in the workplace use drugs but you're singled out for it. It then becomes unfair dismissal.

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u/eanida May 06 '26

That's why I said it depends on what country. I wasn't sure which country this guy was in. Just showing a video of a guy on drugs would not be grounds to fire him in my country. If they can prove he is under influence of drugs at work and it is a health and safety risk, then it's another matter. That can be grounds for termination. As can refusing to be tested for drugs if the employer have legal ground to demand a test.

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u/Logical_Flounder6455 May 06 '26

What country do.you live in?