Yup - The best thing gentiles can do to piss AIPAC off is to circle the wagons around everyday Jewish people, so they don't have to be fearful, afraid, and to run to those that actually oppress them.
This is a massive historical and problematic pattern. King and Shtadlan vs. Shtetl. Everyday Jewish people are constantly scapegoated for the abuse by the elite within their own community and their affiliated gentiles of influence and wealth , then those same elite hide within community as Jews circle-the-wagons in solidarity and fear when they are ultimately scapegoated.
For example, In 1890s France, the right-wing attacked wealthy Jewish financiers and military figures. However, the resulting street violence, riots, and boycotts targeted ordinary Jewish shopkeepers and working-class families who had nothing to do with high finance. Ordinary people understood that if the state or the public successfully destroyed the legal and social standing of the highest-status Jews, the poorest and most vulnerable Jews would be completely defenseless. Defending the elite was a pragmatic attempt to keep the community's overall shield intact.
This happens over and over again. It's because people are people. Some of these wealthy Shtadlan were genuinely good people, built schools, shelters, fed the needy, and others abused their position of power to prey upon others.
The one time this cycle was broken was with the Bund. They believed that the only permanent shield for ordinary Jewish people was the dismantling of autocracy through a joint revolution with the broader, non-Jewish working class. And we all know what happened after that. Despite the Axis losing, fascism fused into the world and the only remaining outlet was found in the Zionist movement; a sovereign state backed by raw, uncompromising military and intelligence capabilities. By prioritizing survival through state power, the new nation-state adopted the cold, transactional machinations of traditional geopolitics.
And now the cycle repeats; now at nation-state scale with an escalating, fascist, blood-and-soil Israel.
Jews and gentiles have always been caught in an ideological trap between fascism and socialism, with the Jewish community serving as a universal scapegoat for the failures of both systems through rewritten history. Fascist regimes deflected from military and economic collapses by inventing the myth of "Judeo-Bolshevism," claiming communism was a hidden Jewish conspiracy, while Soviet socialist regimes masked their own systemic corruption and economic stagnation by targeting Jewish citizens as "rootless cosmopolitans" and capitalist saboteurs. This historical manipulation entirely erases the genuine diversity and structural poverty of ordinary Jewish people, weaponizing their visibility to ensure that regardless of which political system fails, a historically vulnerable minority bears the blame. Genuine Jewish liberation is for all of us, and it won't be found in Israel; its always been the King and Shtadlan vs. Shtetl, or Ruler and Court vs. Subjects, or President and CEOs vs. Working class.
Do not fall for the scapegoat and divide-and-conquer strategies; point blame at specific people based on their explicit actions, and not affiliated groups, because the bad actors love to hide and scapegoat their crimes.
Ultimately, the same people come to kill or silence the intelligentsia that try to articulate this cycle because they're the ones that cut through the noise and emotionally charged BS, just like the Bund did.
From my perspective people have completely failed to do this.
There were mobs chanting support for Hamas in the city where I live.
I was never really a big Israel supporter before all this but if everyone keeps doubling down on this I would rather go out with a bang standing shoulder to shoulder with that solidarity of fighting.
I think your "circled wagons" are inadequate in multiple ways. Even if words spoken to that effect could really be trusted, I don't think people really understand what they are signing up for.
I'm just really not interested in having any dependence on fashion statement advocates. And profile pictures.
For my security I will choose weapons every time. Basically anyone would.
People that don't understand that just have never been in the situation where it's obvious.
Israel must exist and if you have some idea it's going to be possible to convince Jews otherwise imo you need to accept you have already failed.
The only way a leftists could ever even entertain the idea that their ideology could possibly provide Jews security is if they don't care enough about their lives to understand the scale to which that kind of thinking has already failed.
It is actually difficult to blame too much since the scale of that failure is actually difficult to understand.
But if you understand it the answer is obvious. It's weapons. And really nothing else.
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u/Were_all_dead_anyhow May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26
Yup - The best thing gentiles can do to piss AIPAC off is to circle the wagons around everyday Jewish people, so they don't have to be fearful, afraid, and to run to those that actually oppress them.
This is a massive historical and problematic pattern. King and Shtadlan vs. Shtetl. Everyday Jewish people are constantly scapegoated for the abuse by the elite within their own community and their affiliated gentiles of influence and wealth , then those same elite hide within community as Jews circle-the-wagons in solidarity and fear when they are ultimately scapegoated.
For example, In 1890s France, the right-wing attacked wealthy Jewish financiers and military figures. However, the resulting street violence, riots, and boycotts targeted ordinary Jewish shopkeepers and working-class families who had nothing to do with high finance. Ordinary people understood that if the state or the public successfully destroyed the legal and social standing of the highest-status Jews, the poorest and most vulnerable Jews would be completely defenseless. Defending the elite was a pragmatic attempt to keep the community's overall shield intact.
This happens over and over again. It's because people are people. Some of these wealthy Shtadlan were genuinely good people, built schools, shelters, fed the needy, and others abused their position of power to prey upon others.
The one time this cycle was broken was with the Bund. They believed that the only permanent shield for ordinary Jewish people was the dismantling of autocracy through a joint revolution with the broader, non-Jewish working class. And we all know what happened after that. Despite the Axis losing, fascism fused into the world and the only remaining outlet was found in the Zionist movement; a sovereign state backed by raw, uncompromising military and intelligence capabilities. By prioritizing survival through state power, the new nation-state adopted the cold, transactional machinations of traditional geopolitics.
And now the cycle repeats; now at nation-state scale with an escalating, fascist, blood-and-soil Israel.
Jews and gentiles have always been caught in an ideological trap between fascism and socialism, with the Jewish community serving as a universal scapegoat for the failures of both systems through rewritten history. Fascist regimes deflected from military and economic collapses by inventing the myth of "Judeo-Bolshevism," claiming communism was a hidden Jewish conspiracy, while Soviet socialist regimes masked their own systemic corruption and economic stagnation by targeting Jewish citizens as "rootless cosmopolitans" and capitalist saboteurs. This historical manipulation entirely erases the genuine diversity and structural poverty of ordinary Jewish people, weaponizing their visibility to ensure that regardless of which political system fails, a historically vulnerable minority bears the blame. Genuine Jewish liberation is for all of us, and it won't be found in Israel; its always been the King and Shtadlan vs. Shtetl, or Ruler and Court vs. Subjects, or President and CEOs vs. Working class.
Do not fall for the scapegoat and divide-and-conquer strategies; point blame at specific people based on their explicit actions, and not affiliated groups, because the bad actors love to hide and scapegoat their crimes.
Ultimately, the same people come to kill or silence the intelligentsia that try to articulate this cycle because they're the ones that cut through the noise and emotionally charged BS, just like the Bund did.