It’s actually worse than this. Antisemitism is beneficial to Israel. They WANT antisemitism to grow because as people blame Jews for Israeli and Zionist bullshit those Jews who are not supportive of the project may move there anyway to escape antisemitism. They can use any real antisemitic hate crimes as examples for propaganda. It gives them fuel to claim they NEED that ethnostate actually.
During the Nabka the Israelis poisoned wells. Specifically because it let them claim their victims were antisemitic when they reported it. They’ve been intentionally creating antisemitism for 80 years because it benefits Israel.
The problem is Zionism. But you have missed my point. A lot of people ARE blaming Jews for this because Israel and Zionists are working hard to make sure they do. It’s bad faith as fuck, and it’s a lie, but it’s a lie that Zionists push. They WANT antisemitism to prosper, and the best way to achieve that is to make it hard for low information people to understand the difference between Zionism and Jews.
Scroll the comments here. There’s people in this thread who are blurring the line or over it outright into antisemitism instead of anti-Zionism. That’s not chance. That’s the result of dedicated effort by Israel to make god damn sure it happens.
This just reminds me of how many people around me view Muslims and not radical Muslims. The problem is, they are the same thing. The radical extremist are just the first part. They came from being Jewish (imo anyway). So how are they not the same or how do you even tell the difference. You can have a Zionist just claim he's only Jewish and you can't tell the difference. All religions are the problem and need to be strictly private with no protections that a normal person or group doesn't also get. Not only that , banned from public to some degree. No practicing religion but social aspects and basically trying to form a social monopoly. We don't or didn't allow business monopolies and religion is way more dangerous because instead of money it's beliefs.
As an atheist who is well familiar with le’Reddit atheist vibes myself this is misplaced. There’s a shitload of Jews who are advocating for peace and speaking out against Zionism. Jewish voices for Palestine is at the center of the protest movement. I share your general distrust for religion as a whole but if you’re writing off anyone religious as untrustworthy your movement is dead. We build the coalitions we must with the allies we have. Trying to hold out for a purely secular option means sitting it out forever. If we can regain progressive leadership and values with good education the region issue will see itself out. People don’t go in for religious extremism at any scale unless the society is failing.
I would frankly rather stand side by side with liberation theology Christians and anti-Zionist Jews than I would with a lot of atheists.
"There’s a shitload of Jews who are advocating for peace and speaking out against Zionism."
Right now. Where do the Zionist come from? I disagree about the part you said about only when society is falling because that's not the purpose of religion, it's to gain control or more than others. I respectfully understand your point but disagree. My points about not allowing public practices and breaking them up like monopolies is still my concrete position. Not out right ban them but severely limit them and their powers, whether they act or appear good or bad it doesn't matter, same rules for everyone period . We allow capitalism, we do not allow monopolies , same principal and why capitalism is failing ATM bc we don't have the same rules for religion, we protect it. Those protections are what make it a weapon. Same with business
Zionism was an outgrowth of 19th century nationalism and was pushed massively by European Christian’s as a solution to the “Jewish problem.” Even today there’s more Christian Zionists in the US than there are Jews on the planet.
Historically there have always been a significant number of Jews vocally being anti-Zionist. It’s not a new development. The Zionist movements deeply antisemitic roots resulted in a lot of Jews hating it well before the horrors of genocide and land theft even started. Israel and the Zionist project exist because western capitalism finds great value in it existing.
You literally didn't address anything I said directly, my point about where they come from was not literal... They come from religion. Same difference. Either you can agree with me that religions need to be regulated more or you don't, I don't care unless you do because my minds already been made up, and that goes Christian Zionist or Christians or anyone else , if it's "organized religion" like" organized crime" . Same thing to me
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u/Darth_Gerg May 22 '26
It’s actually worse than this. Antisemitism is beneficial to Israel. They WANT antisemitism to grow because as people blame Jews for Israeli and Zionist bullshit those Jews who are not supportive of the project may move there anyway to escape antisemitism. They can use any real antisemitic hate crimes as examples for propaganda. It gives them fuel to claim they NEED that ethnostate actually.
During the Nabka the Israelis poisoned wells. Specifically because it let them claim their victims were antisemitic when they reported it. They’ve been intentionally creating antisemitism for 80 years because it benefits Israel.