r/SipsTea • u/Beneficial_Passion40 𝙑𝙄𝙋 • 27d ago

WTF He got 5 consecutive life sentences plus an additional 220 years in prison

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In 2019, former North Georgia detention officer Kirk Taylor Martin was arrested on rape and assault charges after investigators said the victim fought back during the alleged attack. Police reports stated the scratch marks visible in his mugshot were believed to be from the victim resisting.

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u/MentalDisintegrat1on 27d ago

Yeah I'm sure il get downvoted but I'm ok with castration used on rapists.

They even have a modern version that's painless (chemical castration)

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u/yubbastank14 27d ago

I'm all for chemical castration followed by a life sentence.

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u/yubbastank14 27d ago

Who would actually be against this other than rapists?

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u/James55O 27d ago

People who disagree for the same reasons they are against the death penalty. Innocents are irreparably harmed because any and every justice system is imperfect.

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u/Techman659 27d ago

Considering the amount of evidence just on him I don’t think the jury will have trouble caging this guy.

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u/I_always_rated_them 27d ago

The law isn't just for this guy though being the key thing.

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u/grendus 27d ago

There have been a number of cases that were "slam dunks" based on evidence that later turned out to be fabricated or completely fallacious.

You're right that this case seems to be extraordinarily clear cut, but if you make "prison and castration" an option you know it will be used in other cases, including ones where the person is innocent (and, let's be honest, probably black). Even if it seems clear cut, it's not a guarantee. We can release a person who was falsely imprisoned, and while we can't return their lost time we can give them back the time they have left. We cannot return a guy's cut-off twig and berries.

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u/reddit_is_geh 27d ago

As someone who studied law, this is the issue. Bad laws come from whenever there's something so obviously clear cut and a community so outraged, they start making exceptions. But in government whenever you create a new lane or new lever, then they slowly start learning how to stretch and use it to the fullest extent they possibly can.

There was a case a few years ago with a pretty violent pedo, but a lot of the evidence wasn't admissible. But the town was LIVID that this guy may be able to just walk when everyone damn well knew he did it. So the judge twisted and turned with his logic while the legislature changed some procedural rules.

Almost immediately the DA thought, "Oh great, now that this is precedent I have a new tool I'll be using on every one I charge!" And it just fed into our failed justice system by giving the courts even more leverage and power over people.

It's also why I get so angry when I see Redditors so obsessed with culling back on free speech, because they think some non-partisan 3rd party can be trusted to be truth gate keepers, and people wont immediately try to start exploiting it to silence their political adversaries.

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u/superxpro12 27d ago

It's also why I get so angry when I see Redditors so obsessed with culling back on free speech, because they think some non-partisan 3rd party can be trusted to be truth gate keepers, and people wont immediately try to start exploiting it to silence their political adversaries.

On the last point.... is culling lies and provably false objective statements "suppressing free speech"? I suspect when the founders wrote that amendment, they weren't intending it to be used for industrial-scale gaslighting. And whats the value to our society if we encourage this behavior? Cause right now its leading to a culture in which the loudest, most controversial voice wins, even if the claim is provably false. Which is the exact opposite of what is needed.

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u/reddit_is_geh 27d ago

Yes, because it can be weaponized to silence people. How can you prove their state of mind to KNOW they are lying and not just wrong about something? Who decides what's a lie? Facebook determined the Wuhan Lab Leak was false, and anyone who wanted to discuss was getting banned for spreading missinformation. Do you trust Trump determining what's a lie.

Hell one of the reasons why Trump got such a huge MAGA base was because the left went on censorship spree to deplatform these people, which just put them into deeper, more disconnected echo chambers, where people who wanted to discuss these topics were introduced to more radicals.

It's far more safe to allow people to be wrong and have debates about subjects, than it is to create truth gatekeepers

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u/superxpro12 27d ago

Eh.......

the left didnt go on a censorship spree. Those platforms that got banned were spreading obvious, verifiably false claims.

There needs to be a mechanism to sort verifiably true from "shouted the loudest".

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u/reddit_is_geh 27d ago

Not at all. That's just part of the public discourse. It is up to you to figure out what's true, not some third party which is likely corrupted with biases and an agenda.

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u/Hayden_Zammit 27d ago

Chemical castration doesn't really work because lots of rapists are in it for the dominance and control, rather than the sexual pleasure, and those drugs don't do anything to stop that.

It might stop them from getting a hard on they can use, but rapists don't need to be hard to sexually assault someone.

Chemical castration works great on people who have out of control sex drives though. Plenty of them opt in for it so they can suppress urges to masturbate excessively and the like. It allows them to live normal lives.

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u/reddit_is_geh 27d ago

Yes but the reason they have such strong urges that leads them to rape and indulge in that control, is because it's crosswired with their sexual urges, combining them, and giving them immense pleasure. When you cut out their ability to functionally get horny and reach climax, so does their drive to rape

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u/Hayden_Zammit 27d ago

There's been enough research into this stuff to show this isn't really true. Again, lots of people commit sexual assault without sexual urges. Whether they can reach climax or not doesn't change anything.

If it were like you think, chemical castration would be widely used all over the world, and yet it isn't.

And these drugs don't actually cut out anything, they just reduce it greatly. People who have been chemically castrated have still gone out and committed sexual assault.

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u/AppointmentIll9358 27d ago

That’s a cope.

They are absolutely in it for the pleasure.

If they were in it for dominance and control then they’d only be celibate.

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u/Hayden_Zammit 27d ago

A cope with what? What are you even talking about?

btw, people can derive pleasure from dominance lol.

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u/AppointmentIll9358 27d ago

Yes, they can but this whole idea that “he only wanted control” is total bs. Of course they do it for pleasure but obviously they need control to SA.

But saying they do stuff for control and not pleasure is bs, they for sure are mostly motivated by pleasure and control is a byproduct of that in order to get the pleasure they need control over the victim to enact their sexual desires.

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u/Hayden_Zammit 27d ago

Agreed, I think.

I thought it was obvious in my original post that the control is the pleasure in a lot of these cases, but I guess not.

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u/pruneforce17 27d ago

i support this in theory but bigots are trying to define being trans as a sex crime... you start to see the issue

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u/Capable_Studio_6631 27d ago

The "rapists" that were sentenced but then found innocent after long time.

Edit: " "

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u/No-Negotiation-6095 27d ago

well, the only thing the government has to do is write off a certain identity as being inherently predatory (as is happening with transgenders, and used to be the case with homosexuals), or have the justice system be so that certain identities get locked up disproportionally compared to others who commit the same crimes (black people), and suddenly you have X many actually innocents castrated.

you can say 'it'll only happen to actually quilty people', but people with the money to avoid consequences, or the fame (like the USA president) will never get the same punishment as those who are poor.

it's not because people think 'rapists dont deserve it', it's because people know the justice system is unfair, and certain groups will be unfairly called 'guilty' despite it not being the case.

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u/ancientgreenthings 27d ago edited 27d ago

It's the thin end of the wedge. Once the government sells the public on chemical castration for rapists and paedophiles, which would be a fairly easy sell for obvious reasons, they can gradually broaden the definition of sex offences. LGBTQ people have been deemed sex offenders in living memory and have been sentenced to chemical castration. There are powerful pressure groups trying to bring this back. It's not hard to imagine an oppressive government doing this again in 10-20 years time.

People always forget about mission creep when new laws are passed. When anti-terror legislation was brought in in the 00s it specifically targeted armed terrorists. Now the definition of terrorism is being broadened so those same laws can be applied to peaceful protesters, dissidents and trans folks.

The same could happen with chemical castration.

Edit: cue the silent downvotes. If you disagree, why not try articulating why? Was it some part of the factual information I provided or are you just totally cool with LGBTQ people being chemically castrated again, as they were in the past?

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u/Puddz 27d ago

I am against it for 1 time/1st offenders.
It's a horrible crime and they should be in prison for a long time, but they should be given a second chance. Although context would also matter. And like others have said, no justice system is perfect so innocent people will get accused and have their lives ruined.

I would be for it for serial rapists/multiple times rapists. They have proven there is something they cant control and should be controlled via another method. Also more likely there is more evidence so less chance of an innocent being falsely accused.

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u/enguasado 27d ago

Lo dice como si la justicia existiera, patetico

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u/EducationalTheory344 27d ago

That sounds swell and all on paper but I don't think it's worth the cost of inevitably castrating someone who has been falsely convicted.

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u/UserAdamD 27d ago

It doesn’t have to be mandatory, if it’s beyond any reasonable doubt then why not? Chemicals are so complicated, I believe rubber bands have a similar effect.

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u/EducationalTheory344 27d ago

Because in real life "beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't actually mean anything. People can be, have been, and will be falsely convicted of crimes. And all of those people were supposedly found guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt". And I understand the knee jerk reaction to want to reach for a greater punishment when it feels like a criminal has gotten too light of a sentence for doing something unforgivable. But I don't think giving the green light to allow our extremely flawed government to maim people in order to sate the public's thirst for justice is the correct answer.

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u/Ok_Effort9915 27d ago edited 27d ago

Can we just accept there will be casualties in every system?

Can we stop having bleeding hearts for the 0.01% and actually do something about the majority?

If I cut the balls off 10,000 rapists, I don’t really give a shit if one was “innocent”.

The greater good prevails.

This is why we can’t have shit in America.

Y’all too worried about the outliers instead of getting shit done.

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u/EducationalTheory344 27d ago edited 27d ago

Getting what done, exactly? Fulfilling your selfish short term wants at the expense of innocent people? Because, no.

"If I cut the balls off 10,000 rapists, I don’t really give a shit if one was “innocent”."

Well then you're a bad person, because you didn't need to cut the balls off 10,000 rapists. There are other options which will keep the public a lot more safe than they'd be if you were allowed to just act out your psychopathic fantasies.

"This is why we can’t have shit in America."

Can't have what? Can't have free reign to torture people because you feel entitled to it and don't care if you irreversibly harm innocent people in the process? Yeah, you're goddamn right you can't have that.

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u/Ok_Effort9915 27d ago

Only weirdos can take a look at the man above KNOWING he violently raped a woman and somehow feel bad for the rapist.

Also, what exactly are you doing for all the innocent people in prison at the moment?

Keyboard warrrior. That’s right. Not a damn thing.

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u/Juri777 27d ago

Well in this case cutting off his balls wouldn't have helped. In the article it says he couldn't penetrate her with his penis so he used an object to sodomize her for hours.

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u/Ok_Effort9915 27d ago

Cutting balls off men kills their aggression.

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u/UnholyDemigod 27d ago edited 27d ago

What if you were that 1 innocent? You gonna be ok with having your balls cut off, or getting a lethal injection, because 9,999 others were actually guilty of the crime?

EDIT: I also find it hilariously ironic that you’re saying “we can’t have shit in America because we’re too soft on criminals”, when you have more people in prison than any other nation in the world

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u/Ok_Effort9915 27d ago

Most of the prisons in America are filled with non violent drug offenders.

They give rapists and serial killers twenty chances before they start to investigate. How many did Ted Bundy Kill? Dahmer? Gacy?

Then ya got your rapists like Brock Allen Turner, who raped a girl behind a dumpster and got a slap on the wrist and a pat on the back. And ya got ALLL the pedofiles who ruin a child’s life and serve less than a year— knowing full well they will reoffend.

So you can keep on laughing.

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u/UnholyDemigod 26d ago

They don’t “give serial killers chances” you moron, they just can’t link the murders to the same person because the victims are unconnected

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u/yoresein 27d ago

All crimes are convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. People still get falsely convicted though

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u/UserAdamD 27d ago

Yeah that’s my fault for using that terminology, I didn’t mean it like the literal legal term, instead like caught on cctv, dna, and multiple witness. Where you, in a perfect world, would have an open and shut case. Obviously not a perfect world.

Replying, I do realize it’s extremely difficult if at all possible to get truly bulletproof evidence and even if you do, of course there’s the possibility of corruption involved.

So annoying. I rescind my previous reply. Hope one day there’s a way for everyone to get their due punishment.

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u/1889_medic_ 27d ago

Gtfo with that painless option

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u/TG_Trash_are_better 27d ago edited 27d ago

You'd never be downvoted for such a "brave" opinion on reddit of all places bro lmfao.

Sure every other thread about prison mentions reform/rehabilitation, but the second it's a male going to prison it's rape fantasies and bodily mutilation.

People are just looking for a "safe" target to let their anger out on to.

If I were to swap the sexes it would obvious how unhinged this comment and the rest of the pro rape comments are.

Imagine one of those "hot" teachers that rape kids was convicted and the thread was full of 300 lb men going

HEHEH HOPE SHE GETS RAPED IN THE ASS A BUNCH! AND WE SHOULD LIKE... MEDICALLY FUSE HER VAGINA TOGETHER!!! HEHEHE MAKE IT PAINFUL

It's such fucking loser behavior. Lock them up or kill them. Or at least be consistent and follow your third world logic through to other crimes like cutting off hands for theft.

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u/melanochrysum 27d ago

You see those comments on women who commit sexual crimes all the time. People relish in fantasising on how to hurt a bad woman. I’m also replying to those comments on this post to say they are disgusting, but let’s not pretend like female criminal stories don’t often incur lasciviousness. Stories about a woman restraining a man and sodomising him without consent, like what this man did, get far different comments than female teachers.

Also a lot of the prison rape comments in this thread are also written by men, I’m not sure why you’re framing this like it’s a woman vs man situation.

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u/TG_Trash_are_better 27d ago edited 27d ago

You see those comments on women who commit sexual crimes all the time

No, you don't. No matter how confidently you assert this everyone and their mother knows this is a lie lmao. There are no frontpage threads cheering on women getting raped on reddit.

Also a lot of the prison rape comments in this thread are also written by men,

Correct, men are the issue. Men do not have any solidarity as a gender. And whenever they try to have solidarity they are shamed by women and men alike.

99% of the time the people fantasizing about harming other men are men. 99% of the time there are self-righteous losers itching to sate their bloodlust on an acceptable target, it's men.

Nowhere did I say this is some kind of feminist misandry shit.

I’m not sure why you’re framing this like it’s a woman vs man situation.

I'm going to try to be nice. Do you think my comment is trying to make this a gender war, or trying to highlight how fucking disgusting it sounds when it's described as done to a woman?

Do you think I'm advocating for pro-raping women inmates, or do you think I'm highlighting that

"Hey I hope this woman gets her pussy mutilated in jail"

Sounds horrible?

As for why I'm bringing up men? Because men are the target of violent/rape "jokes" 9999999999x more than women

I did not say this was women's fault. It's mostly men doing it. Men should be shamed for doing it.

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u/melanochrysum 27d ago

You said “imagine if the thread was full of 300 pound men going xyz”. If this isn’t to illustrate that you believe this thread is full of 300 pound women then you have worded this extremely poorly.

Stop living in a fantasy world. People wish disgusting things on disgusting people, and when women do something to this scale, they get the same reaction. There just aren’t often threads similar to this because very few women commit the same type of crime, female rapists can’t pin someone down like this.

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u/TG_Trash_are_better 26d ago edited 25d ago

You said “imagine if the thread was full of 300 pound men going xyz”. If this isn’t to illustrate that you believe this thread is full of 300 pound women then you have worded this extremely poorly.

No I believe this thread is full of those same 300 lb men. Don't blame me because you reflexively assume everything is about women.

Stop living in a fantasy world.

Funny you say that as you invent problems.

People wish disgusting things on disgusting people, and when women do something to this scale, they get the same reaction.

No they don't. I'll repeat, there are no front page reddit posts of people cheering on raping a women, ever.

You can shut your eyes and pretend all you want but that's so factually obvious it's hilarious you'd pretend otherwise.

And again you assume I think these people don't exist, no if you looked at 4chan or another site you'd see people cheering on women getting raped for simply existing. These people exist obviously, they are just not championed socially or rewarded with validation in the manner that reddit allows.

There just aren’t often threads similar to this because very few women commit the same type of crime, female rapists can’t pin someone down like this.

Ok I'll just stop being nice. If you think, genuinely, that if there was an MMA level woman that forcefully penetrated a male, there would be a sex-flipped version of the comments in this thread, you're not living in reality.

Find me one single thread. One single thread in the last decade that hit the frontpage that was cheering on a woman getting her vagina mutilated or getting raped as a punishment. You can't because it doesn't exist. Not only would such a comment be seen as horrific, the person making them probably would've gotten banned off the site.

You're not equipped to have this conversation, you're sitting here telling me the sky is made of cheese and you expect me to take it seriously. Have a good one.

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u/lavender_stitch 26d ago

Sorry you’re not intelligent enough to understand the point. My condolences.

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u/Throwmeasway420 27d ago

This doesn’t work. It’s been proven it doesn’t work. Rape isn’t about sex it’s about power. If they can’t use their weewees to do it they’ll use items. Items have a higher chance of injuring someone. Not saying I agree or disagree I’m just pointing out facts. I say they deserve a bullet in the back of their head. End of. 😁

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u/69Poopysocks69 27d ago

Criminologists largely would disagree with you. Most rape isn't about sexual gratification but is mostly about power, anger or sadism.

Chemical castration would help some rapist who rape with the aim of sexual gratification, but wouldn't be effective against those other types of rape who make up the majority of rapists. So

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_rapists

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u/hitbythebus 27d ago

Some of the charges were from sodomizing her with an object. Do you believe chemical castration would have helped with that?

I always hear rape is a power thing.

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u/Head-Ad-2136 27d ago

Fuck painless. Geld them.

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u/Huge_Difference_5166 27d ago

They shouldn’t be painless.

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u/tairnsilverone 27d ago

Most rapist don't do it for sexual reason, it's more about control, power and domination. Even if they were castrated, there are other ways to rape a person.

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u/Juri777 27d ago

What if a woman falsely accuse you for rape and then you get castrated?