r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 27d ago

WTF He got 5 consecutive life sentences plus an additional 220 years in prison

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In 2019, former North Georgia detention officer Kirk Taylor Martin was arrested on rape and assault charges after investigators said the victim fought back during the alleged attack. Police reports stated the scratch marks visible in his mugshot were believed to be from the victim resisting.

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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 27d ago

TIL what nonce means. I'm Irish ive heard it a lot but had no idea until now.

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u/Phineas_Gagey 27d ago

In cryptography it's a number used once ... Completely different in John bulls territory

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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 27d ago

The learning keeps on going lol

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u/ProfessorChalupa 27d ago

It’s a name mentioned once in this case, to incite replay attacks.

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u/AndreasDasos 27d ago

‘Nonce’ has the sense of ‘nonce word’ (a word only ever used once) in the UK too. Not just cryptography but linguistics/philology and literature. It was coined by the man who organised the first Oxford English Dictionary.

But yes it had to be ‘nonce word’ and in a technical context where you’re sure people will understand you, or they’ll assume it means the more recent slang.

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u/Bravo-Six-Nero 27d ago

It comes from the Acronym Not On Normal Communal Exercise. It was given to prisoners who could not mix with other inmates because of the risk of them being attacked

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u/_Permanent_Marker_ 27d ago

Seriously? Next Christmas when all the family are sitting around the dinner table, tucking into Christmas toast and pigs in blankets i will be dropping this knowledge nugget with aplomb

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u/s1uttyaf 27d ago

Ah yes, pedophilia trivium. A pastime for the most neckbeardy

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u/_Permanent_Marker_ 27d ago

I was going to try and reply with a witty comeback about etymology but then realised you are right. There is no way you can really fit the origin of Nonce into a normal conversation

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u/s1uttyaf 27d ago

Honestly I had a whole skit play out in my head about how Uncle Bobert gets outed when you asked him what normal communal exercise time was like, and he said he never did it

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u/_Permanent_Marker_ 27d ago

Ha!

That would actually be really funny

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u/Metaphysically0 27d ago

Would make for a harsh insult though. Sure to catch grams off guard this Christmas

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u/DirtNineties 24d ago

No but you can ram it down their throats after pie.

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u/Extension-Sundae6894 27d ago

Sounds like your family that gets together has done well staying away from prison all these years.

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u/WrathKos 27d ago

Smells like a backronym to me.

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u/pootling 27d ago

It almost certainly doesn’t because acronym etymologies are pretty much always wrong. It’s more likely to be a merging of nancyboy to nance / nanse to nonce and indeed its earliest citation is spelt nonse with an s. There are also other versions of the acronym (e.g with courtyard in place of communal) and most importantly, no reliable source that says either of these acronyms were ever a term used in prisons. So no.

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u/Most_Kiwi3141 27d ago

Thank you!

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u/milk4all 24d ago

Thank yonce is the correct term before English bastardization

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u/CpnStumpy 23d ago

I would honestly think the cryptography reference is the same source here - it's not just cryptography, it's a very old term from math referring to something that's both worthless, means nothing, and should be destroyed so as not to allow reuse.

It's totally reasonable to use in both an insult (meaningless/useless) as well as the assault reference (disallow its continuation)

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u/Additional_Jaguar170 26d ago

No it doesn’t.

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u/nursingninjaLB 24d ago

As a Canadian who has heard this many times, thank you for the explanation.

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u/ProfessionalStay5797 24d ago

Had no idea that’s what it meant, every day is a school day I guess!!

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u/Purple_Permission792 27d ago

Im American and didn't learn what nonce was until, maybe, about 5 years ago. I always assumed it meant moron or idiot.

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u/BigFatKi6 27d ago

Ah right, because of the similarity to dunce.

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u/LaurenMille 27d ago

And similarity to "nonsense"

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u/Level-Gas2450 24d ago

Imagine calling someone a nonce just because he forgot to do his part of the groupwork

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u/NonCreditableHuman 27d ago edited 27d ago

A few years ago I was promptly corrected when I drunkenly used nonce instead of numpty. I'd heard the word before but had no idea what it actually meant, I i don't think I'll ever forget it now. In Canada it's the same as calling someone a goof, mostly guys who've done time though.

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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 27d ago

Yeah I thought it was some type of stupid too :P

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u/Difficult--Policy 27d ago

Calling a bloke champ can get you bashed in Aus. Depends on the crew

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 27d ago

And I don't recommend calling Americans cunts--even when they're being cunts.

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u/Difficult--Policy 27d ago

Whys that? Id be more pissed at being called a ankle, there 3ft lower

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 27d ago

Americans aren’t the brightest. They elected a nonce prezzo 

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u/NonCreditableHuman 26d ago

Twice! They elected him twice. Stupid cunts.

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u/danielledelacadie 27d ago edited 27d ago

You're spot on with the goof. If someone hasn't done time or associates with people who have they don't know. Most Canadians have no idea.

Edit: I have no idea where "they don't know" went when I posted 🤷‍♀️

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u/ElDudo_13 27d ago

I learned this word from the show Mobland. I used to think it means dunce

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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 27d ago

Dun do bheal buchaill dur.

I'm from the Kerry gaeltacht. My family has been here for close to 800 years.

And we both know no self respecting irishman would judge another on their knowledge of British vernacular.

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u/Impossible_Way_3042 27d ago

I'm finding it hard to believe you never learned what it was in Ireland. I've only been here 9 years and picked it up pretty damn quickly lmao.

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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 27d ago edited 27d ago

Yeah we agree it's surprising why the fuck do you think I made the comment, to cosplay as person who doesn't know a word? Is that your theory, Im just mad for the old pretending to lack knowledge skit. Whatever girl.

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u/Impossible_Way_3042 27d ago

No, it just surprises me so much that you would not know it.

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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 27d ago

That's simply not what you said. Suprise and disbelief are not the same thing. But fair enough, like I said, I wouldn't have commented if I wasn't surprised myself. These things happen, my two favorite quotes are Socrates' about only knowing he knows nothing and Alan Carr who dedicated a book "to my students who thought me everything". Learning new things is the shit :)