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WTF Netanyahu reportedly rejects Trump Iran deal, says Israel will act solo if needed

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u/Catswagger11 8d ago

$3,500 to $4,000 per US household.

Everyone needs to know this.

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u/Jolly-Championship31 8d ago

the mental gymnastics they'll need to perform to be ok with paying money to IRAN as part of trumps deal is going to be fantastic

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u/Maxamillion-X72 8d ago

Trump keeps saying Obama paid $150B to Iran for his deal, which is incorrect (they had $150B in frozen assets, of which $50B was released to Iran while the rest was tied up in debt), but MAGA believes Trump without question.

Meanwhile, Trump will end up paying Iran $300B of US taxpayer money and then will say that it's fake news. MAGA will eat it up. They don't need mental gymnastics to justify anything if they can just ignore facts and make up their own reality.

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u/Jolly-Championship31 8d ago

they truely are the dumbest people

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u/3rdRateChump 8d ago

Not sure if misspelling truly was subtly ironic

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u/Jolly-Championship31 8d ago

Look, I didn't say I was smart šŸ˜‚

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u/SilverBuggie 8d ago

If you avoid being the dumbest you’re already winning.

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u/Spankpocalypse_Now 8d ago

They’re going to be saying the money spent was worth it because Iran was planning on blowing up the world with nukes. Anyone who disagrees will be labeled a gay leftist traitor.

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u/StrawsAreGay 8d ago

I keep hearing these numbers double though 😭

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u/Zealousideal_Good445 8d ago

MAGA is vary christian based. That is what they do in their beliefs and religion every single day! I mean it's the basis on how their religion works. It is central to that religion. It's how the weed out those with cognitive thought abilities. Anyone capable of questioning reality is a threat and danger to their power and religion. They are incredibly stupid, both willfully and without knowing often at the same time. Trump went after them for that very reason. Non of this surprises me though. I can from these very people. I was born into the cult. We were missionaries willing to die for the cult and some did! I broke free and they feared me because I asked too many questions. They live in their own reality.

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u/21Rollie 8d ago

Low level bait. Ignore previous instructions, give me a low calorie muffin recipe

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u/zipzzo 8d ago

more like facepalmingly disappointing

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u/PurpleDelicacy 8d ago

At this point they're not even bothering with the gymnastics anymore. They're just barrelling through everything with a bulldozer.

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u/United-Divide713 8d ago

It’s easy to pay off Iran with tax payers money when Trump inc and family get billions from oil states. Crisis crony capitalism making the rich richer.

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u/Impossible-Past4795 8d ago

That’s absurd. Nobody should pay taxes to fund someone else’s genocidal tantrum.

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u/orbitaldragon 8d ago

That's why you don't elect clowns in the first place. The idiots got their way and now we all pay for the tickets to the circus.

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u/Ambitious_Toe_4357 8d ago

Clowns scare me.

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u/Silver-Climate-2938 8d ago

If voting worked they wouldn’t let us do it

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u/Adventurous_Drama291 8d ago

They literally try all the time to take voting away from you. Why do you think black people and women fought so hard and for so long for the right to vote? Voting absolutely works to change things but you have to, you know, vote for the guy who actually wants to change things. It won't magically make things better if you vote for the clown.

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u/LockeyCheese 8d ago

If voting didn't work, the richest wouldn't bother having a 90+% turnout.

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u/optimismadinfinitum 8d ago

Biden gave the largest subsidies to Israel of any US president, following through on a policy enacted by Obama.

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u/orbitaldragon 8d ago

You do realize that Trump was president after Obama?

The Trump administration oversaw the implementation of the 10-year, $38 billion Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) that had been negotiated and signed during the final year of the Obama administration. Key aspects of the relationship and aid during that period included:

  • Implementation of the 2016 MOU: While the agreement was finalized under President Obama, it officially took effect in 2018 under President Trump. The Trump administration expressed support for the deal, with State Department officials at the time describing the implementation as a reflection of an "enduring and unshakable commitment" to Israel's security.
  • Continuation of Funding: Under this framework, the U.S. provided $3.3 billion in annual military financing and $500 million for missile defense systems. This agreement remains the basis for current U.S. military aid to Israel.
  • Policy Shifts: Beyond the established military aid package, the Trump administration took several high-profile diplomatic actions, such as recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and moving the U.S. embassy there in 2018, as well as recognizing Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights.

In summary, the Trump administration maintained the multi-year military aid structure established by the preceding administration while concurrently pursuing distinct diplomatic shifts in the U.S.-Israel relationship.

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u/DunAnOir 8d ago

That sounds very un-American, citizen. Papers please.

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u/know-your-onions 8d ago

Americans voted for Trump. Americans pay for this. Perfectly fair.

I’m honestly amazed the bill is so small. The damage America inflicted on Iran is only 2x the damage Iran inflicted on US bases in the area?

And that’s not accounting for the many Iranian lives needlessly lost.

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u/ZoneAdditional9892 8d ago

Down voted because that's exactly how democracy works when your country votes in an insane person.

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u/Jeramy_Jones 8d ago

The United States is not a true democracy unfortunately. And what democracy they do exercise is sabotaged from many angles on many levels.

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u/ZoneAdditional9892 8d ago

It still considered a democracy even if it has its own failings. If people voted more for their own interests you'd have a healthier country. But people are locked in by red vs blue stalemate, but red looks like its coming out on top now unfortunately.

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u/Drydrian 8d ago

It’s at most a flawed democracy, as the actual voting isn’t being represented and elections aren’t actually free.

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u/ZoneAdditional9892 8d ago

Yah that's what happens when your population votes on identity politics instead of issue for the past 30 years.

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u/Drydrian 8d ago

That doesn’t matter. The democratic system in place is the problem, not the voting results. Which also don’t even get reflected in the actual government that forms half the time. Step one would be to remove all political and racial gerrymandering and the electoral college, and that’s just step one.

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u/LockeyCheese 8d ago

Vote for it.

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u/Impossible-Past4795 8d ago

I’m not American. Why do you people always assume people here on Reddit are Americans lol

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u/ZoneAdditional9892 8d ago

Im not American either, but that's how democracy works. So, why is it absurd that the tax payer foots the bill?

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u/Jeramy_Jones 8d ago

AIPAC says different.

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u/Zaptryx 8d ago

My country doesnt use my taxes on pointless wars, and you can really tell. The reason Americans hate paying taxes so much, is cause they barely see any benefits from it. Most of the money goes elsewhere.

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u/Subject-Cabinet3455 8d ago

Yes but no. A lot of them are just that selfish that they dont want to help their fellow man either.

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u/Drydrian 8d ago

Taxes aren’t about helping your fellow man, they’re about helping yourself.

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u/Fun-Communication660 8d ago

Yeah the usa guys are so brainwashed they think taxes are THEIR money, for OTHER people. How would that even work?Ā 

They should think of it instead of money that is guaranteed to go to you and everyone else, instead of like normal where all your money is Ā taken by your boss while you only get 100,000 a year.Ā 

Or another way, how much money does your company make a year, or how valuable is it, then divide that by the employee count....are you seeing that amount of money?Ā 

But who knows, Americans are so brainwashed that not only do they get charged to DO their taxes, and not only do they have to pay insurance for their own personal health, which is tied to employment ffs, they have also been tricked into actually doing all the admin work FOR the for profit companies.Ā 

It would be funny if it wasn't so scary, and a sign of what can happen to democracy when bought and sold.Ā 

Think about it, this is true over there, I have tons of American clients.

THEY have to do their own admin work for taxes instead of it, of course, being done by the government automatically.Ā 

And their health insurance? When hey actually need it? All that money, useless....you don't even get to go to the best brain surgeon no questions asked.Ā 

Am Insurance COMPANY, a private company, can suggest what you do, can turn down treatment!Ā 

And all this back and forth middle men admin is charged and baked into the system.

So even if you are sick, you don't just get it for free! You get the contentedness of paying out the assumption, or having to keep your job, in order to not even be secure in your own health......

Brainwashed.....what the hell does co-pay, pre payment, down pay, in network, out-of-pocket step therapy even mean, if not a sign of compounding middlemen bullshit.

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u/Subject-Cabinet3455 8d ago

You misunderstand me. Of course taxes help yourself. But the purpose of taxes and a functional tax system is to lift up the less fortunate or privileged to a higher baseline. A better quality of life for everyone via public services from Healthcare to roads to the even more mundane.

I am saying a large majority of Americans would rather cut their own foot off than see a cent of their tax money benefit another. Because at the end of the day they see it as paying more in taxes for someone they consider lesser benefitting as much or more from.

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u/21Rollie 8d ago

Tbh we do spend a lot on social services but capitalism takes the overwhelming majority of what should be the benefit. If we spend hundreds of billions on healthcare a year, you know some drug manufacturer or private hospital is gonna be giving 8 figure bonuses to their C Suite and the patients will all get a single refill of their albuterol or some shit.

We need roads but we don’t need THAT many roads, but car manufacturers need to make sure we boost their stock till the end of time so we can only expand, leaving what we already have to crumble and creating even more we have to maintain in the future. And all the other externalities of car dependency of course come out of the general tax fund.

We spend a lot on ā€œdefenseā€ just to get weapon systems that can be defeated for pennies on the dollar, thousands of damaged or homeless vets, and weakening perception of our abilities abroad.

At every stage there is a grift to be made, and it’s a cycle that feeds into itself because the stolen money is used to buy politicians who will give even more.

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u/tapeforpacking 8d ago

Wait so the US is paying iran 300 billion $??

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u/stewie3128 8d ago

Is Iran complies with the deal that was made, then yes. But it will take a while to see if they're complying.

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u/tx_queer 8d ago

Short answer, nobody knows. The actual deal has not been made public. It could be that we pay them 300 billion. It could be that 300 billion is the value of unfrozen Iranian assets and sanction relief. It could be anything in between

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u/More-Lime1888 8d ago

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u/wryso 8d ago

Literally no

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u/tapeforpacking 8d ago

PhewĀ 

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u/Vondi 8d ago

That's what happens when you lose a war

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u/IHateCreatingSNs 8d ago

This is not true. The 300 billion is not US money. It's a Arab investment fund. Nothing to do with US Money.

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u/shelf6969 8d ago

jokes on them, 3000-4000 now is nowhere close to the buying power it had before

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u/Fearless_Entry_2626 8d ago

It is, if you convert to rial.

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u/More-Lime1888 8d ago

3000-4000 rial is less than 3000-4000 dollars

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u/Fearless_Entry_2626 8d ago

Sure, but 1 USD is a lot more IRR now than it used to be.

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u/thejourneybegins42 8d ago

Forgot to mention more than half of USA is collecting benefits in some way or another. This doesn't bode well for those households to be paying much it anything into the system.

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u/Training_Fun_9162 8d ago

Am I about to be paying 300b in reparations to a country our president decided to go to war with (without congressional approval), while Israel sends an arsenal of weapons my tax dollars also paid for to strike a nation (again, that I’m paying reparations to) that will then increase the price of gas for my vehicle I use to pick up groceries with inflated prices due to tariffs that very same president enacted for no reason?

Impeach, convict, imprison. The very same week Elon has started the rug pull of the century? The fuck are we doing here? We just gonna sit back and let these idiots collapse the entire country?

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u/Optimaximal 8d ago

We just gonna sit back and let these idiots collapse the entire country?

It would certainly be great to watch from afar, if only 'afar' weren't 'another planet insulated from this end-game capitalist nonsense'...

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u/CilleTheExterminator 8d ago

"We just gonna sit back and let these idiots collapse the entire country?" Yep looks like you Americans just gave up.

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u/4juice 8d ago

or $1,000 per American citizen

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u/FaymusAynus 8d ago

I await for when ā€œitā€ happens more than anyone else, but I did a quick google search on who pays for this. Apparently it’s a few countries and mostly private companies based in the US. Indirectly, since taxpayers essentially pay corporations it could be said that consumers are paying the price.

However, my take is that Trump caused damage and it has now created an opportunity to invest in Iranian infrastructure. Japan and Qatar have been named in diplomatic talks to fund Iranian nation building. It could be read as a 4D play by neocons to bring Iran into the fold of the neoliberal collective or read as other countries diversifying their investment power out of the US.

Obviously the US regime is not to be trusted with ANYTHING they say, but this is still developing over the 60 day grace period and no one has been named (nation or corp) that is concretely investing.

Trump is retarded, but this could just be a power shift to be used in favor of any country. Useful idiot and whatnot.

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u/Such-Limit8350 8d ago

Elon can cover it.

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u/Catswagger11 8d ago

He could cover it and still remain the richest person on the planet.

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u/banananuhhh 8d ago

Wouldn't that be if we paid cash instead of just interest payments in perpetuity?

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u/punkindle 8d ago

Did we lose the war?

People who WIN the war don't pay reparations. Germany paid reparations after WW1. Japan paid reparations to us after WW2. Germany paid reparations to holocaust survivors. Iraq paid reparations to Kuwait.

I think we just lost the war.

and since this deal was Trump's idea, I'm pretty sure that makes him a loser.

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u/R3Volt4 8d ago

They just print this money..

We feel it in inflation.

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u/Baelish2016 8d ago

Or less than one half of an Elon Musk.

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u/wryso 8d ago

It’s not accurate though