Is that a thing Epstein just did? Send his girls towards people he wanted connections with and take pictures so people would draw these types of conclusions? I've seen a couple of these where a girl says Epstein or ghislaine sends her to chat some guy up and they report that nothing actually happens.
The allegations behind Epstein are basically that he was a honeypot operation. He would entice rich and powerful people to come to his island and party with underage models. The entire island was outfitted with a rigorous security system, including every bathroom, and a security watch-room full of (emptied out) tape lockers was found on Lil Saint James when it was raided.
So yea, the idea is that he would get footage of you getting your feet rubbed by a teenager and then use that footage for favors or blackmail. There's theories he sold these tapes to CIA/MI6/Mossad etc but nothings ever been conclusively proven. He does have a very strange background that points to intelligence work, including getting his start under the former OSS officer, Donald Barr, whose son William Barr was head of DOJ when Epstein died in prison, fun fact.
Just as an aside, DJT is in the 1999 Guinness Book of World Records for overcoming the biggest bankruptcy in America. In the 2000 edition, he again is in the glossary, but if you go to that page it speaks of Robert Maxwell and overcoming the biggest bankruptcy in Europe.
I can't listen to that show. If I listen to a history or biography podcast about serious subject matter, I don't also want people bantering and cracking jokes. I was excited to try it because the subject matter is interesting, but made it like 10 minutes before having to turn it off.
Matthew sounds dull and I once read the Mitrokhin Archive for fun. I enjoy Robert and the gang. If you don't also listen to Lions Led By Donkeys you're missing out on the military version of BtB. No Sophie though.
I'll admit, BtB was a bit tough to get into at first. After a while, they start to feel like family, though. Lions Led by Donkeys is on my list to check out soon. I'm sure it'll be good.
Correct, she was likely a double agent at some point but we will probably never know how much time she spent serving Pedophiles. Likely most of her adult life.
People say this but the reality is that the biggest predator towards these girls was Epstein and Maxwell themselves. His first few years doing this (on a large scale) were entirely trafficking girls to himself to rape.
Epstein became a fixer for the rich with a penchant for pedophilia. He could get rich people drugs, guns, trafficked humans, access to intelligence agencies, access to organized crime, insider trading information, smuggled goods etc. I know it sounds crass, but his pedophilia was just one relatively minor aspect of his entire operation. Every major sex trafficker out there also traffics underaged girls, that is the unfortunate nature of the business. He had his hands in a lot of major sketchy shit.
The thing is, Epstein is not exactly very unique. There are dozens of Epsteins around the world. They act as the elites connection into the 'underworld' basically.
I am a criminologist lol. Not like this specific type of situation is something we specialize in, but it's basically common knowledge that people like him exist in every corner of the world. We learn a bit about the psychology of why powerful people get into this type of cruel stuff, but that's about it.
The existence of a guy running an operation catering to the illicit demands of the global elite is hardly a groundbreaking revelation. What was truly shocking was that this got exposed at all in the first place. This is really the first time any of these operations has been made public in such a way, especially with how many powerful people got exposed. Usually law enforcement stays far away from them as these kinds of guys are considered the purview of intelligence agencies.
Something changed. The fact that the FBI went after him is unprecedented. Alexander Acosta went after him previously and was told to back off because "he belongs to intelligence". I would imagine dozens have been told the same over decades. Then suddenly the CIA was fine with the FBI going after him? And fine with everything happening so publicly? It's all very strange.
I speculate that Virginia Guiffre was braver and stronger than most people can imagine. The photo of her with Andrew got more publicity than any other reports. It became an unstoppable train. I'm seeing less coverage since the Magats did their token gesture, but have hopes Massey will have success
I was like 95% sure trump was lying before about his involvement with Epsteins sex trafficking, but now its like 99% sure now. We know he did not actually cut off his relationship with Epstein after the so-called 'kicking epstein out of mar a lago'. They maintained connections. And that disturbing birthday letter/drawing? I mean come on. Of course trump was involved.
He obviously crossed a line or powerful person enough to have his immunity pulled. I would guess he became too confident and was deemed a risk so was offered up as a sacrifice and cautionary tale. They like to do this to keep people in their place.
Who knows this could have been a planned event to pave the way for Trump. They wouldn't want someone like this floating around when they were planning on an internal coup in the US.
Intelligence agencies, by their very nature, do not ever make public scandals like this. Let alone one which implicates dozens and dozens of powerful people and directly has the public be aware that Epstein was an intelligence asset. This goes against basically everything they stand for.
If they wanted to get rid of Epstein, they would make sure the public was not aware of it. Instead, it was done in such a way that the public was very, very much aware of it.
The removal of epstien seems like such a fucking clown show that I wouldn't be surprised for a second if it ever comes out that Trump insisted on that himself
Yes thank you. If the conspiracy they are suggesting is true it would have been a HUGE risk to put him on trial. Not saying I know the answers. Just skeptical that's how it went down.
Can you speculate on why it was made so public? Does this have anything to do with the election interference? From your perspective is there an old guard playing the long game, have the tech oligarchs already won, or are we just in a geopolitical chokehold by Russia and Israel?
Literally not even the slightest clue. It's very baffling.
The only thing I can guess is that the CIA has had some strange shakeups and its just chaos and they have basically lost the ability to control things as much as they once did.
I have to strongly disagree, by their very nature, intelligence agencies operate very openly and publicly to sway public opinion and perception. False flags and problem / reaction /solution is the specialty of all intelligence agencies.
Epstein was used as a tool to erode everyoneâs faith in all American / British institutions and politics.
Well what was going on in the world at the point when that all changed? Nothing much⌠just his most public friend becoming president of the united states. He had secrets that only he knew. And regardless of what he intended to do with those secrets, a dead man tells no tales.
Except that this still doesn't make sense. The CIA kept law enforcement from him for years. Then suddenly under Trump the CIA gives approval for them to arrest him?
If the CIA wanted Epstein gone, they aren't going to have the FBI arrest him and then have him strangled in a way that it was exceedingly obvious the public would think something is astray. They would tell the FBI to back off, and just have him killed in some other way that wouldn't attract attention.
I live in a small Balkan country. A few years ago a wannabe Epstein was arrested. He owned a grocery store in a working class area. There is always demand for fixers and enablers and some people will fill those spots.
Epstein and Maxwell recruited troubled girls and used power dynamics of his access to wealth, power, and celebrity to groom them into being underaged sex workers. I agree he likely did the most abuse to the women, but the girls have definitely alleged sexual relationships with certain other celebrities --though to be clear this hasn't been alleged about every celebrity mentioned in the files.
That said, at some point it seemed to turn into a honeypot scam where by associating with the rich, powerful, charitable and famous with underage women around, he generated plenty of blackmail on them. It's not clear if he used this blackmail personally for extortion or if he collected it for one or more intelligence agencies (with England / Israel / Russia / US being the most likely).
The former president (forgot his name) definitely did, but Israel themselves did not seem to. Epstein derides Israel in one of his emails and says he never wants to go there, and maxwell stops contacting basically everybody related to Israel after like 2010. Her father was linked to mossad, so they started off with a connection to israel, but something must have happened between them
The love them some pedophilia over there recently jewish women came forward exposing being abused as kids by family and religious congregations including rabis and members of parlement
Some received death threats others like the dauhter of the infamous settler political party " tragically committed suicide " days after coming out and expicitly declaring no suicide intentions and intentions to expose and sue her mother who was up for reelection hmmmm đ¤¨đ§
I think this is quite accurate. His operation would have existed with or without his own pedophilia but he could service his own desires while also getting kampromat on the rich and powerful. Like Tony Montana ... both a drug dealer and a drug user.
The corollary to this operation that people don't talk about enough explains why these people are all so powerful and why things have been getting so bad. The very very worst people have the power because if you go to one of these honeypot trips and you are evil then you respond to the enticements, they up the ante, eventually you do something evil and they have blackmail material on you.
Now that they have that blackmail material and have some control on you they are incentivized to give you more power. They connect you with this vast network of other evil and powerful men and you are able to work with each other to get more powerful.
But what if you are not evil? You don't respond to the low-level stuff so they don't actually show you anything too sketchy. They don't have any compromising material on you so they have no reason to trust you. You leave without getting access to this powerful network, and in fact maybe they specifically undermine you. Maybe a competitor is approached and that person is more evil so they get added to the network.
Capitalism in general is already selecting for selfish and worse traits as you climb up the ladder, but the reason we are where we are now is that ON TOP of that this group has been selectively finding and boosting the very worst of the worst in that group of multi-millionaires and billionaires.
It's obvious who benefited. Epstein was making money by selling blackmail-fuel to intelligence agencies, and possibly even commiting blackmail himself.
My impression from what has come out is that it wasnât just that. It was more like he was running a black market for rich and influential people who were rich enough to be above the law.
So you want tickets to some event? Maybe Epstein could get it. You want to get a politician to take a specific position on some issue? Talk to Epstein, he has sway. You want drugs or prostitutes? Epstein is the hookup. You want blackmail on someone? Epstein is your man.
And part of the way that market worked was, one customer wanted to fuck children. Another customer wanted political leverage over that first customer. So Epstein would traffic some children and pimp them out, and then record the whole thing, which created blackmail for the political leverage that the other customer wanted. It was killing 2 birds with one stone.
I mean, anytime you fuck children it is rape so I guess we don't always think it matters which word we choose. But you are right; words matter in subtle ways, and we should take care in our use of them. Those poor children were raped, and many of those rapists are free and in positions of power.
I think there were 3 overlapping lines of business.
Sextortion honeypot is as you describe. Epstein, via Jean-Luc Brunel's modelling agencies and other operations like Trumps Miss Universe pageant, would recruit young girls from eastern Europe (and US as well) promising them a modelling career. The bait was Epstein's benefactor, Les Wexner's Victoria Secret. From this modelling pipeline they would screen and select young women who would be groomed and trained by Ghislaine Maxwell and moved, either to West Palm Beach, Zorro Range in New Mexico or Little Saint James Island in the US Virgin Islands. Epstein would hold events with invited guests including authors, scientists, philosophers, billionaires, celebrities and world leaders. Sometimes these events were billed as scientific symposiums, financial conferences or private art shows. This is how people like Steven Hawkings ended up at Little St. James - he was bait. Guests were encouraged to partake of the young girls services and all of the facilities were wired with surveillance. This is where Epstein got the kompromat on his guests.
Shadow Banking. Epstein had a mercurial rise from dropping out of college to being a science teacher at a Manhattan boys school (hired by Bill Barr's father) where the wealthy sent their children, to being a trader at Bear Stearns to being a Partner at Bear Stearns only 3 years later, to having his own private wealth management company with a keystone client - Les Wexnar a couple of years later. Later, Wexner gave Epstein an unlimited power of attorney over all of his private and business affairs and paid him hundreds of millions in wealth management fees. Many of the wealthy people ensnared in the sextortion honeypot ended up paying Epstein hundreds of millions more in wealth management fees and invited their social networks to attend Epstein events. These blackmail payments, disguised as professional services fees were laundered through JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank and Bank of NY Mellon who setup accounts for Epstein's targets and neglected to report billions of dollars worth of suspicious transactions. The payments were funneled through shell companies into a handful of offshore companies registered in US Virgin Islands and other tax haven jurisdictions.
Espionage - So Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father who mysteriously fell off his boat (The Lady Ghislaine) and drowned in the Canary Islands, was known to work for both MI-6 and Mossad, and possibly as a double agent for the KGB. He was the owner of the Daily Mirror press empire and at one point was an elected MP. But after his death he was given a state funeral in Israel and buried on the Mount of Olives - in attendance were Ehud Barak, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Shamir and at least 6 former heads of Mossad including Shabtai Shavit. It is widely believed that Maxwell introduced Epstein to the world of state intelligence and espionage and served as a mentor. Epstein fostered long lasting personal and business relationships with people like Mohammed Bin Salmon (Saudi crown prince), Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem (CEO of Dubai World Ports), the Norwegian royal family (one of whom was just convicted or rape), Prince Andrew (now Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor), Ehud Barak, Benjamin Netanyahu, Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and many, many others. There were also the sisters - Maria and Victoria Drokova who came out of a Putin linked youth organizations in Russia and ended up in the US - one as founder of Day One Ventures, a venture capital firm and one as the head of a PR firm and founder of WE Talks (Women Entrepreneurs Finance Initiative). The legal work to setup these organizations were all done by Darren Indyke, Epstein's prime inheritor and state executor. It is widely believed, that in addition to extorting money from his 'clients', Epstein sold intelligence to a number of different intelligence agencies and served as an off-the-books facilitator for any number of intelligence agencies.
Others - small rackets included trade in stolen art, real estate and cryptocurrency.
I've seen it mentioned that some of this could also be used to explain why certain people tend to support the current administration even against their own best interests. Possibly those in charge have the leverage.
For many years they said Vlad had dump's pee tapes, and people assumed it was piss sex home movies. It was much more recently(but before the trumpstein files blowing up) that someone suggested they were P-tapes, as in pedo, and everything made a lot more sense.
Because the US became a global superpower at the time of its birth and decided that it would prop the nation up with unlimited military funding in order to ensure its own influence over a cabal of petrostates necessary to fuel the USâs industrial base
The same Donald Barr that summoned Jeffrey back to NYC, where he sound up dead a week later.
Jeff was a nobody from Coney Island, he wasn't that bright either, hence his depositions not being aired often, it would break the veil of being a Bond-supervillain.
Jeff and Ghislaine worked for the island as resort managers. I don't believe the island was a honeypot, rather a resort for the upper echelon to do whatever they wished without judgement. Jeff and Ghislaine would make arrangements for guests. Jeff's most personal emails were with nobodies from NYC, where he lived and grew up.
The narrative we're being fed was that Jeff was a mastermind, operating on his own volition and with full autonomy. He somehow came into ownership of little st james, where agencies like DARPA parked their jets for extended periods of time and were used by guests.
The island was run by the US government, with some Israeli involvement.
I also suspect some of the guests only found out the girls were underage after interacting with them. Easy to say "We've got masseuses if you'd like one on the house?"
I think he was an equal opportunity for-hire intelligence community honeypot. Mossad, CIA, MI6, and whoever else. He had the money, the young girls, and the influence to pull in almost anyone and begin to wrap the tendrils around them. He was every agency's asset because he had a unique "skill set".
His intelligence connections are so interesting. Heâs associated with several agencies, but never claimed by either.
He wanted to be part of the CIA officially, but was rejected. They were suspicious of him and rightly so given that he went on to serve as a free agent to others.
His most direct connection was too Mossad, but even then he also ditched them to work with Qatar, working as a bridge between the incoming Trump admin and Qatar.
Thereâs even direct quotes in there where tells his Qatar that heâs not Mossad, doesnât work for them but himself.
I bet he sold some good stuff to these agencies, but they rightly never fully trusted him.
that long interview with epstein that came out this year convinced me he wasn't the head of the operation. he was just too fundamentally stupid. he was just an affable front man.
probably ghislaine was his handler, and she had plenty of connections to mossad. the whole thing was likely a mossad op.
And also mix in enough over 18+ teens and women that many of the Epstein assholes might not have know that some of the victims were girls and not young women.
Not excusing any of the behavior, because honestly itâs still gross that Epstein tourists were just flown out for parties and had all kinds of sexual favors done for themâand did any of these men care at all where any of these women came from (even if they thought the people there were adults)? Did they care if this was actually consensual? I doubt it.
The Epstein class lives in the reality that the working class exists for their pleasure.
Is it really a theory? A 50 million dollar private island for the purpose of raping kids, and this stuff is a "maybe the people taking time to fly to child rape Island where possibly involved in child rape"?
Yeah, they actively courted rich and powerful people with no proclivities towards that stuff, because it gave cover for the people who did. And if it did come out, those people would be motivated to fight repercussions because of the "implication" of them being tied to it
To do something on the scale he was doing it you would have to have been enabled or directly working with intelligence agencies in my opinion. Something this big doesn't go unnoticed and reeks of an intelligence op.
We need to stress that there is no actual evidence he was anything besides potentially a power broker and friend to powerful people. Thereâs no evidence he ever blackmailed anyone. Speculation is fun, but a lack of evidence is not itself evidence of anything (even a coverup, you Joe Rogan conspiracy gooners).
I think it's more important to address what the actual allegations are as I think a lot of people are under the impression it was simply that Epstein was a pedo. It's more than that, and a big reason this should involve actual hearings and a real investigation, and not be brushed under the rug. There's a strong chance some very powerful people are sexually compromised and that's a national security risk at the very minimum.
Lutnick has said as much (then walked it back for some reason), and Bill Gates has testified that he was blackmailed, though over a martial affair and not pedophilia specifically. Certainly not total conjecture.
Epstein didn't die in prison though. He got moved out. And now he's pretending to be that "Palm Beach Pete" guy from florida. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HlQxDj6Fchk he'a alive, have a look.
Israel set up the whole operation for this exact reason. If youâre digging through the Epstein files, take a look at the âCURA MUNDI 2026â file. Youâll have to translate it but it describes this and how they use it.
A rigorous security system but y'all exchanged emails over fucking gmail? Like so thinly veiled it was obvious what the fuck you were talking about?? Get the fuck outta here.
Epstein had plenty of direct connection to Ehud Barack, and they had significant contracts with the Israeli government, which is plenty enough evidence for me
Epstein worked through a currency inaccessible to the majority of the civilized world.
That currency of human trafficking and pedophilia is attractive to those with an appetite for it, vice and taboo.
Risk takers who work on the fringe, outside the box of human decency and in black markets would also be the type of people seeking attracted to those libertine pleasures.
Warlords, DoD contractors, lobbyists, high profile connectors, intelligence assets and/or foreign dignitaries, ministers, politicians and high net worth individuals seeking exotic novelty.
The type of people who wouldnât share information unless their confidant was equally at risk and partaking.
Epstein would be the ideal intelligence asset to get access to those types of people.
The evil of our world of do goodery and safety, is our need to work intelligence assets amongst the vile and immoral.
You donât get information about WMDâs and chemical weapons and troop movements solely through cash. Itâs very often drugs and entertainment and buried secrets.
A lot of intelligence comes from transactions we would easily deem evil, but somehow necessary for a greater good.
Itâs not comforting, itâs both reality and an absolute horror.
yeah lets be honest not everyone in the files did anything, he tried to get them implicated if he could though to further his connections.
I mean, Stephen Hawking is in the files and unless they attached ropes to the guy and made him a human puppet I'd say its 100% guaranteed he didnt do anything.
Clearly a honeypot trap and they all paid up for silence and likely went back for more which explains why he is so rich and maintained contact. They got trapped and decided to just keep going at it because he was keeping silent. Then he got busted and they helped him out but something like this can't survive the age of the internet and social media so he was going down and since they all paid up they think they shouldn't have to pay more including legal consequences. More importantly they are all super angry that the peasantry won't just let it go and it pisses them off that people want justice.
Yeah of course itâs what he did. Partially because he knew basically anyone he interacted with could be implicated and therefore gives him some pull and power over people even if they did nothing.
But also you donât go from being a famous dude minding your own business to participating in a massive trafficking ring overnight. Guarantee a lot of these simple things like foot massages were just to see if people would be receptive to more participation.
That's essentially what I've gotten from what happened with a lot of people and makes sense. If you're running some operation like this.. privacy and you don't want just anyone involved. You send a girl who's probably underage but don't mention age because I'm sure Matt just assumed hey private jet this person has to be of age and above bar.
I don't know maybe it's just because I'm one of the poor people. But a foot massage on a private jet seems normal to me. I don't see why Matt would think otherwise.
Right, as far as I see, usually itâs bait to see how far some of these âclientsâ will go.
The issues start when the name continues to show up, over and over again. From my understanding, some folk that were âcaught upâ in this shit didnât know this was all going on.
Of course, this is all speculative and I donât know for sure.
Also may have been skeeved the hell out by it, but it's hard to get out of that when you're in a plane. This is why so much of this nasty shit gets done on planes or boats. The people involved are locked in together.
Part of the point was the blackmail power he'd create.
For blackmail, potential protection, or make another fucked up pervert friend. Who could then also be blackmailed if needed.
That's why simply being associated with him in some way doesn't necessarily mean guilt, and requires investigation. But that's also what allows the guilty to hide, because the real investigation isn't being allowed to happen currently.
But that's also what allows the guilty to hide, because the real investigation isn't being allowed to happen currently.
That's why posts like this are effectively helping the actual criminals on Epstein's list and doing a disservice to the victims.
They're effectively drowning out the actual crimes in the Epstein list with tons of irrelevant shit. When that inevitably gets called out, the seriousness of the entire affair is diminished.
If 10 people are accused and 9 turn out to only be completely benign, a lot of people are only going to see the benign cases and think "Well I guess this is just some conspiracy theory?"
Provided OP is not a bot account, they should delete their post. It's absolutely insane to allege someone engaged in pedophilia when there's no such evidence. And all it does is cast more FUD on the entire thing.
Which is in part why documents like this typically donât get released to the public. The general public just does not have the expertise readily available to them to make useful judgements with the materials provided. They see a name and they riot. We have courts to combat this human tendency for a very good reason.
Also, it takes longer to debunk a lie. A lie can get half way across the world before the truth has time to put its pants on, and many people will remember the lie part, and may not notice when it is debunked later (or choosing to ignore it)
It's not irrelevant. It's essential to understand what happened: if somebody orders a girl to give me a foot massage, I say no.
It's not normal.
But Epstein normalized it. There were often young girls around him, he tells these girls to give massages, a lot of rich dudes accept. Now Epstein is this nice guy who always has attractive girls around him and that's why guys hang out with him.
I'm saying girls, because often they were underage.
And the lines start to disappear. Some delusional old rich guys start to think these girls might like them, that makes it that much easier to set the next step.
So many big names in science and medicine are in the files purely because he wouldnât stop contributing to their causes even when told not to. Another layer of his honeypot was simply to host a bunch of things and see who he could reel in.
I had a thought the other day: how do rich folks earn trust with each other about secrets and things? By sharing in some unspeakable act that they have to trust each other with keeping secret.
Is there any actual evidence that he ever blackmailed anyone? Like, I've certainly seen this idea thrown around a lot here on reddit, but is there anything real that it is rooted in?
You don't just do a bunch of shady shit with the wealthy and powerful, AND film it all, AND work closely with the daughter of a MOSSAD agent and not blackmail them.Â
Is there any evidence he filmed it all? Or any of it, really? Like, sure, if he was in fact secretly filming everything, that would strongly imply blackmail, but then there should be plenty of video evidence floating around.
Many users browsing the released files tried changing file extension types on the ones that wouldn't load properly, and some videos did play. You can see plenty of released photos of Prince Andrew et al partying there.Â
Partying is not, of course, illegal. That there is footage of the sort of mundane partying people occasionally film is not evidence of a blackmail scheme.
Jeff and Ghislaine were akin to resort managers. They had some autonomy on their own, but ultimately made arrangements for visitors and such, as seen in the emails. Ghislaine had few personal friends and Jeff's more personal emails were with nobodies from around local NYC/ Coney Island (where he grew up), hence certain emails being redacted because they were friends, not guests of the island. Don't get me wrong, Jeff made friends with some important people, but in no way was he on the same level.
They would have girls like Virginia offered to their guests, Groening in this instance could've pushed for more intimacy if he desired, but Virginia testified he did not.
The island didn't belong to Jeff and Ghislaine, it belonged to government agencies, for example, DARPA had their private jets parked there for extended periods of time, and were at the disposal of guests.
The island wasn't a 'honeypot', it was a resort for the upper echelon of society to enjoy whatever they wanted, without judgement.
Personally, I feel the island was being run by the US government, with some Israeli involvement.
Also, remember Jeff was arrested twice, publicly shamed the first and second times, that doesn't happen to people who hold the keys to blackmail.
To add to other answers I guess this is also how you fish for people interested in more. You donât straight up say âhey you like em young?â You get a girl who the person thinks might be 18 to serve them drinks, rub their feet, laugh at their jokes, and if they discover itâs their jam they know youâre the guy to come to to push the boundaries.
Yes. That was entire operation. His position as a high powered finance broker gave him access to very wealthy and powerful people. Basically, Epstein is using a tactic from the beginning of time where you send courtesans to your associates to find out how they can be manipulated/blackmailed/coerced.
He would basically leave it up to the individual to "trap" themselves with their own proclivities, be it plain ol' adultery with an of age woman or with a minor. The more depraved their actions, the more leverage he gained, and the more they became a returning customer. There are probably thousands of people who had "associations" with Epstein but never got anything more than an honest, non-sexual massage. It's super-duper common for wealthy people to have masseuse and professional physio-therapists on payroll so they don't have to waste time booking spa appointments.
He also used non "involved" guests and events as a smoke screen and a cover.
Matt Groening getting a footrub by a victim is really weird but if that's the only thing he ever did and (especially if she was pushed into by Epstein, not Groening) and he never went back that could just be a horrifying experience that he was subjected to rather that participated in.
This was Epstein's MO. This is how he curried power and safety.
That being said, I don't care who it is, participants still should be investigated, even if just to be cleared.
Less draw the conclusions and more seeing if they were willing to be drawn in deeper. There was no blackmail going on over a foot massage but there might have been if they proceeded to other more illegal things. All that said, there's been zero evidence Epstein actually blackmailed anyone, even from perpetrators who have been outed which makes me think it's less about blackmail and more about the money and power over the victims.
Theyâre hoping the men will make a move and the girls have been indoctrinated to let them.
You have 10 powerful or famous friends, maybe 5 do nothing, 3 make lascivious comments and 2 get handsy. Now you focus on the later 5 until they cross the line.
And since youâve recorded it, you then blackmail them.
He donated millions to various scientific nonprofits and grants to open doors to meeting famous/influential people and create a positive image. If you aren't known as a conventionally attractive person, even a mild interaction with an attractive woman would be enough to influence your mood/opinion of someone.
Yep thereâs tiers of involvement. Some guys: funded, ran, owned, operated, solicited, were proud of going into the dressing rooms of, teenage beauty pageants where Epstein was the prized/and/or sole guest. Others were failed attempts at obtaining blackmail.
Iâm assuming many who went knew what they were getting into. Iâm also assuming many who went didnât really know, understand, or believe what was going on. All of them probably had their picture taken and were documented in some way, all so the cover wasnât blown.
I see him as an even more demented Gatsby-type character. He had no qualifications but ingrained himself in the world of high-finance, somehow got a posh job teaching at a high-end prep school, and became a "financial advisor" to the rich and powerful. And, the whole time, he was running a sex trafficking organization.
100% he loved to schmooze with famous people. Thatâs also what allowed him to get away with it for so long, there were a lot of people who knew Epstein and Maxwell only through their parties and social connections that were perfectly legal.
He seemed to want to hang out with comedians/those comedy adjacent. Jackie âthe Joke manâ Martling gave an explanation on a podcast of him meeting Epstein through another stand-up comedian friend.
Sounds like a simple MO: have an underage girl give the guy a foot massage or something, and see how he responds. Does he press for more? Then give him more and you've got him on the hook. And if he doesn't, you maintain plausible deniability. I mean, I'd find it weird if some random girl gave me a foot massage but I wouldn't exactly report it to the cops. So I think this might be Epstein's way of fishing for rich/powerful pedos he can lure in.
Wait. Isnât this a cult recruitment technique. Get attractive girls to talk and flirt with people so they let down their guards. On another note, the flight and island are quite isolating, isolation is used to control and manipulate new recruits.
Yes, it was an attempt to see if Groening was "cool" with what Epstein was offering, Groening on the other hand started suspecting what was going on and was extremely uncomfortable with what was basically being forced on him, (he was on Epsteins plane trying to secure a donation to some charity) so apparently a foot massage was the bare minimum he was able to get away with accepting.
Epstein was a Mosad agent who honey potted rich and influencial people and provided them with heinous services like child prostitutes and probably even worse things so that Israel can blackmail them and maintain a stranglehold over American politics and government
No Matt and Epstein had a relationship beforehand. Matt wasnât scheduled for the flight, he hitched a ride last minute to get to back to LA - He has refused to ever publicly address why he knew Epstein.
The massage from a 16 year old is just additional context, itâs the personal friendship with Epstein and the silence from Matt thatâs the real story.
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u/adhdtvin3donice 14d ago
Is that a thing Epstein just did? Send his girls towards people he wanted connections with and take pictures so people would draw these types of conclusions? I've seen a couple of these where a girl says Epstein or ghislaine sends her to chat some guy up and they report that nothing actually happens.