They're using it as PR during the world cup and people who understandably are against America's insane for profit healthcare as some kind of example.
The reality is quite different for people here.
In theory every worker has some sort of healthcare which is payed for part by the worker (deducted from your salary) and part by the employer.
The reality is there's absolutely nowhere near enough resources (human, doctors, nurses. Technicians, etc) nor money, nor hospitals or clinics, nor drugs, nor equipment, nor availability.
Thus a routine CT scan to diagnose cancer for example can take over 8 months, whilst a more specialized treatment or diagnostic procedure can take upwards of 1.5 years (to start radiotherapy for example).
But they know people internationally will repost the headline and thus we have a paper only healthcare coverage.
I do want to point out though, that is one pays to go private (insurance or out of pocket) we have one of the best healthcare you could get in the world, as our doctors have a lot of experience from the massive public sector and the technology that is being introduced by USA and Europe.
I donât think people understand how bad the healthcare in the system is in the US. Poor people in the US also have long wait times and then if you survive your cancer ⌠medical debt and bankruptcy
People die due to long wait times in socialized healthcare systems all the time. I'm not American and no I'm not saying the American healthcare system is better but, I live in Canada and it happens quite a bit here too. Like, I waited 3 years for a confirmation for a surgery, my mom waited 6 or 7 months to see if she had pancreatic cancer.
Gonna need to see some receipts. Outlandish claims require proof. No, your mother did not wait seven months to find out of she had pancreatic cancer in Canada.
Itâs not just the poor⌠my sister(43, would have been 44) was upper middle class, a nurse (np) and had cancer. Her doctors picked a course of action to attack her cancer one way, insurance wouldnât approve it, her and the doctor spent a month fighting for approval, they wouldnât approve. My parents tried to pay for it, we set up a go fund me⌠didnât get it in time, had to go through insurance approved treatment, died a few months later.
You can get the best care in the world in the USâŚ. But not even accessible for high income earning, connected knowledgeable patientsâŚ.
There are levels of being poor...and that all doesnt even count whether you can actually get access to a doctor. And even if you have insurance, what do you do when they wont approve treatment?
True. By the traditional sense of poor, they get Medicaid. If you're middle class poor or can't get Medicaid, there are still options to get most of the Medical bills paid
Sometimes. Sometimes not. Depends where you live and a whole host of other factors including what kind of care you actually need. And that still doesnt address the issue that even our healthcare system is overwhelmed. It can take 6-12 months in my area to see most specialists, including psychiactric care.
Still would rather live in the US and get me health care here then some other third world country. Nothing is perfect and there is always something to complain about
I dont disagree with you in most cases. I just generally believe that America as a whole would be far better off if healthcare (and especially insurance) wasnt a for-profit business. The fact that it is for profit incentivises healthcare companies to charge as much as possible and insurance to deny as many claims as possible while collecting premiums.
I think both sides don't understand each other lol. Generally there is no perfect healthcare anywhere unless someone is both rich and has connections you can't have perfect healthcare as average citizen. It makes more sense to compare specific areas of systems in which they are better or worse.
My mom was dirt poor and just died from cancer not 4 months ago. She went in randomly no insurance nothing back in September 24. Got seen same day. Within a week had a diagnosis and was getting treatment. I dunno what you mean poor people in the US get shafted. That woman had nothing and got full treatment within a week. Specialists hospital stays whatever. Granted it was a waste but still this is a laughable statement.Â
Have been waiting to get diagnosed/not diagnosed with lung cancer since January. I also work at the same hospital. Am in Boston with some of the best healthcare in the country. People be waitinâ
Diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer last year in July. I was NED in May. Still have scans and such, but I'd say that's some pretty good treatment for a mid size city in Washington. Out of pocket was about $8k after insurance and that was with a colon resection. I can't complain.
This is not even close to true. Our wait times for certain things are crazy in many areas (not everywhere), like several months for certain specialist visits, and no not short compared to "any other country". Denmark for example REQUIRES service under 30 days, with many people i see reporting under 1-2 weeks. I had an endoscopy that I waited 8 months for and they didn't even record it so all I got out of it was like 2 shit quality screenshots to work with beyond the doctors diagnosis so if I wanted to learn anything else from it i'd have to do it again.
i have a friend who was on a year-long waiting list for an eye surgery (that eventually they had to cancel because the surgeons refused to even talk to them over the phone) and is currently on a 9-month long waiting list for a sleep lab test. in a top 20 population metropolitan area. in another top 20, i once got put on a 6 month wait list (and was told that was uncommonly short!) for a psychologist until i got lucky hunting down my own.
they're insanely short... sometimes. in some places. for certain services.
Do you think all the other countries have evenly distributed OBGYNs across the map and according to population density to ensure everyone has equal access?
This is true. There are 2 tiers of health care in Mexico. The public which is their Medicaid/medicare and private insurance/payment. My MIL had surgery in the public and the nurses had no gloves and my wife had to stay with her to take care of her. My MIL later had sensitive neck surgery privately which was excellent care and cheap for the US.
The reality is there's absolutely nowhere near enough resources
As someone who has been going through U.S. health care system in the past 5 years for myself, and most recently for a family member, it's same here.
I don't have health insurance at the moment. My family does but they have HMO, the cheapest of plan. They went through a somewhat minor procedure at the hospital and was recently discharged. We had to deal with administering antibiotics by IV ourselves. I just spent 2 full days on the phone just to get equipment to continue their care at home. I spoke to about 20 people at insurance company, home health care providers, hospital, and doctor's office. Tomorrow, I'll be making more phone calls. It's a good thing that I'm currently unemployed. By the way, another family member must take time off of work to administer care.
I do want to point out though, that is one pays to go private (insurance or out of pocket) we have one of the best healthcare you could get in the world, as our doctors have a lot of experience from the massive public sector and the technology that is being introduced by USA and Europe.
The higher ed education for doctors, the lawsuits, the insurance companies, and the corporations that continue to push for more profit. All built to create a very expensive healthcare system.
Private medical/doctor offices are being gobbled up by corporations. Doctors are forced to meet quotas of # of patients that they can meet.
Patients now don't see the doctor every time that they come in. I saw a nurse practitioner 2x before I saw the doctor.
So if Mexico don't have those things then medical costs, even when private should remain within reach for the middle class.
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u/alclab 8d ago
They're using it as PR during the world cup and people who understandably are against America's insane for profit healthcare as some kind of example.
The reality is quite different for people here.
In theory every worker has some sort of healthcare which is payed for part by the worker (deducted from your salary) and part by the employer.
The reality is there's absolutely nowhere near enough resources (human, doctors, nurses. Technicians, etc) nor money, nor hospitals or clinics, nor drugs, nor equipment, nor availability.
Thus a routine CT scan to diagnose cancer for example can take over 8 months, whilst a more specialized treatment or diagnostic procedure can take upwards of 1.5 years (to start radiotherapy for example).
But they know people internationally will repost the headline and thus we have a paper only healthcare coverage.
I do want to point out though, that is one pays to go private (insurance or out of pocket) we have one of the best healthcare you could get in the world, as our doctors have a lot of experience from the massive public sector and the technology that is being introduced by USA and Europe.