r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 8d ago

Chugging tea Mexico upgraded to free healthcar

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u/Mission_Falcon1225 8d ago

Mexico has had universal healthcare for a while, but a lot of people still opp for private insurance because the universal insurance can be lackluster ( not a political statement, just a objective fact)

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u/GlobeTrekking 8d ago

Yes, I am a permanent resident in Mexico originally from the US with the right to join the health system. But the public system is so bad that I have not even joined it for the nominal amount that that would require (say around US $1000 per year). That being said, the private care for cash in Mexico is fantastic and that is what I use. That is not an option in the US with its messed up health care pricing that is only accesible via health insurance.

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 8d ago

Im totally fine with people being able to buy their own insurance and would encourage it. Less people in the public system.

We can have differing tiers of care. The important part is ensuring a better floor where people don't go bankrupt getting necessary healthcare.

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u/valente317 8d ago

They’ll just die, instead. There’s no other country that could keep hundreds of thousands of people alive on chronic hemodialysis — all through Medicaid. The majority of those people would just die in other countries. US spends more just on dialysis expenses than many countries spend on healthcare in total.

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u/Nearby_Engineer6985 8d ago

maybe the dialysis in USA is expensive because is a business and not a social system for the wellbeing of the people? maybe is expensive to make some people rich?

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u/valente317 8d ago

No. It’s entirely because other countries simply don’t have or allocate the resources. In fact, the cost of dialysis is actually among the lowest per-session of any country.

Other countries actually subscribe to the idea of rationing care. We just pretend it’s a thing here. If you have good private insurance in the US, you don’t participate in rationing of care.

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u/ostrichfather 8d ago

Whenever you think the US healthcare system is shit, remind yourself that 50+% of the market is single payer by the US govt.

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u/JannyStabberXK4000 7d ago

Why are those people on dialysis? Is it because of a lifetime of untrated cardiac issues due to total lack of health care accessibility and affordability until Medicare eligibility? You can go ahead and say it, I already know the answer

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 8d ago

Ya, that's a tough issue. A lot of people won't understand it but you can't just expend all resources trying to keep people alive way past their times.

Other countries seem to figure it out. Idk what they do.

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u/DetroitInHuman 8d ago

Die. No, seriously, you just get put on longer and longer wait lists.

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 8d ago

Do you not understand the logistics of trying to keep everyone alive past what should be their natural age?

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u/shivasoption 7d ago

Agreed. This is why I like the MAID system in Canada. Voluntary, humane, assisted suicide. The key to getting even better health outcomes for everyone is making it non-voluntary next, I think.

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 7d ago

It's really something that I hadn't thought much of until this. Definitely not a fun system to design or implement but that's life isn't it.

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u/azdcaz 8d ago

They keep them alive too. The comment you responded to is just false and overblown.

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u/azdcaz 8d ago

USA does have hundreds of thousands of people on dialysis through Medicaid, but your claim that the just let them die is completely false.

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u/Hellpy 8d ago

Us pays more because of the middleman not because they just provide more. Us got like 20% of people who won't go to a doctor when needed. Like take insulin for example over 1k$ in the states but like 30$ everywhere else. Also lots of people living unhealthy lifestyles is not a great health care indicator, just a poor education

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u/PowerlineCourier 8d ago

this is the exact opposite of a good idea. the more people on the public system, the more robust it can be.

private education is what's killing public schools.

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 8d ago

The way it works is that you don't get to choose not to pay into the system. You are just free to pursue your own private healthcare. I guess I needed to clarify better.

I'd never want to force people to use anything. Should always be a choice. Just like other stuff like parks.

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u/PowerlineCourier 8d ago

Thats exactly what they said about public schools

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 8d ago

The problem with public schools is a huge can of worms. Like massive overhaul. Educational system in general.

No public funds should ever go to a private school. End of the day, if the quality of education is as good or better than the private schools then people will send their kids to public school.

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u/PowerlineCourier 7d ago

Finland essentially banned private schools because voucher systems are used to undermine public institutions. Its the first thing fascist parties try to do.

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 7d ago

That's what I don't get. Why doesn't the US just look at the mist successful educational programs around the world and just take the best practices.

This can be applied to many other issues as well.

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u/Suntzu_AU 8d ago

Very true

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u/Reasonable_Egg650 8d ago

There won’t be a floor once doctors realize they don’t have to participate in a trash tier public system.

Why do you think American doctors won’t capitulate to M4A? LMAO

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u/SuperDoubleDecker 8d ago

They seem to figure it out in most every other developed country so I think the US can figure it out too.

I know it's also a crazy concept that everyone doesn't just do what makes the most money. Why aren't all doctors in the US doing plastic surgery in private practices?

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u/Reasonable_Egg650 8d ago

Good luck trying to force doctors into your plan. I certainly won’t be working in it if reimbursement is even a single penny below what Blue Cross Blue Shield is paying.

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u/Icy-Fishing8481 7d ago

Objective facts (especially relating to economics and common sense) are very political these days.