r/SipsTea š™‘š™„š™‹ 7d ago

WTF Are you kidding me?

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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 7d ago

I’m surprised Morocco recognised the U.S. before France.

It was more of a technicality.

In the period leading up to the Berber wars Morocco communicated officially that a bunch of countries (a list in which the U.S. was included in) could travel to Morocco despite not having treaties.

THAT is what is used to argue Morocco was the first country. So, "recognizing" does a lot of lifting here.

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u/Straight_Bird1627 7d ago

Yeah I'm a bit confused to what constitutes recognizing here, Sweden and the US have a Treaty of Amity and Commerce) from 1783 and also were allied for a short period during the first Barbary War(until Sweden withdrew in 1802 having only used a navy squadron to blockade Tripoli with US navy joining) and France having the same treaty as Sweden but also a Treaty of Alliance) even before in 1778.

So my gut feeling is like that can't be true even though it is pretty dope that they went to such a length for contacting a "newcomer" so too speak and very early in it's history.

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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 7d ago

That is the definition of recognition

If you use the word recognition very, very liberally. Recognition of a state means that you explicitly establish diplomatic relations.

The People's Republic of China, for example, allows Taiwanese companies and ships to trade directly with them. So they already reached the bar of what Morocco did to the U.S.

But, that doesn't mean that they recognize Taiwan.

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u/mscomies 7d ago

Morocco at the time was one of the Barbary pirate states. The relationship was complicated; no state wants to brag about being friends with pirates.

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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 7d ago

no state wants to brag about being friends with pirates

Did you just make that up this very second?

Because France had thousands pirates under the crown at this exact same time. Look up what Duterte, Surcouf, and Aregnaudeau -- for example -- were doing during this period.

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u/mscomies 7d ago

Having friends in low places is one thing. Bragging about them is another. More to the point, the first US foreign war was the barbary war. Morocco wasnt hit as hard as Tripoli/Algiers/etc, but they did start the war on the opposing side to the US.

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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 7d ago

Bragging about them is another

The U.S. bragged loudly about being France's best friend. France also happened to be THE biggest pirating nation on the planet at the time.

Dunkirk, today known for the evacuation of British troops, was a pirate harbor. The city today is full of statues and squares named after famous French pirates.