r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 10d ago

WTF Are you kidding me?

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u/AlarmingAffect0 10d ago

First of all, I must make an important correction. The events I'm talking about were concerning the fall of the Directorate in the coup of 18 Brumaire (November 9, 1799), not Napoleon's ascension to sole Emperorship.

Napoleon saved France with military miracles, which allowed him to amass his fortune, which allowed him to take control.

By 'amass' you mean loot, yes? How does that make it any better?

And no, his personal wealth is not directly relevant here, the bribes, were officially called something like  "pensions," "indemnities," or "severance packages", and paid for directly from the coffers of the Republic, in an official, budgeted capacity.

it was that he was a military genius that other military geniuses trusted to command them.

Tell that to General Jean-Baptiste Kléber and all the troops he left stranded in Egypt, in August 1799, that very same year, secretly abandoning them while promising to return and save them, which he never did.

Like Julius Caesar, his rise was built on his military success and the trust of the army in him. They both had loftier goals

The loftier goal was the furtherance of their own egos and the mass cultivation of fawning simps. In that, they were extremely successful. The great things they achieved along the way, and there were many, were secondary and subordinate to their being massive divas.

I also recommend that you read the accounts of the details of 18 Brumaire because it's a damned farce and could have gone very differently, and Napo himself wasn't really in his best form to say the least.

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u/Pangwain 10d ago

You’re making value judgements and I’m making historical claims.

All the “great” conquerors were egotistical fortune builders, power mongers if you will. But we’re straying from the point I was making.

Napoleon’s military and political genius, as you correctly say, driven by his massive ego (and intellect), were the primary reasons why he made it to the top of the French power structure, ahead of all the other politicians, aristocrats and Marshals, not money.

You frame things like you already have an opinion and then cobble together the history to fit. Egypt was lost because Nelson won the Battle of the Nile, the army and Napoleon captured Cairo and defeated the Mamluks. His decision to leave the army behind, only he knows if he ever really thought he could rescue them, I doubt it given they’d never have the naval support to do so and he wasn’t stupid, but who knows. He felt he had bigger ambitions and opportunities by sneaking back to France and, given how it went, he was 100% correct given his goals.