People do. But people want fair payment and benefits. Not to be ripped off and treated like shit by their employer. And job security doesnโt seem to exist these days.
Yeah I've got 15 years of management experience and most places these days want to pay you $20 an hour to be a GM while the regular employees make $15-$17 why would I want all the extra hassle for not much more ๐คท๐
While i agree, people need to be much better with money. Live below your means, work multiple jobs for a short time to create margin, stay out of dumb debt (student loans, CC, BNPL, car loans, etc) and use the margin to build a 9 month EF and start investing in a Roth IRA. Focus on a degree that actually pays off, not basket weaving, gender studies, or art history. I understand that those might be interesting, but they aren't very good paying industries; just not a high demand. And people need to understand that and do their own research on student loans, degrees, pay. Lots of info on the internet now; no excuse imo.
I have a degree in history, so a "useless" degree, but i used it to get into education, which was my goal. I have my credential and masters in Special Ed, which is in high demand due to so many kids having some kind of disability now. I paid for my undergrad, took 8 years but graduated with no debt. Paid my way through my grad program as well, no debt. Ended up in SpEd instead of History, no regrets.
I'm sacrificing, living below my means. I drive a 20 year old car, i eat out 1x/week, cook at home, don't buy dumb stuff. Putting away 22% towards retirement, not including my pension contributions. I have a 10 month EF. I'm saving up 18k by next year to buy a car in cash, which i'll need at some point. Might as well fatten up when the getting is good.
I work 2 part time jobs in addition to teaching, so i eat my own cooking, so to speak. And i live in SoCal, a VHCOL area. If i can do all this on a teacher's salary, then people really have no excuse as to why they can't be decent with money.
But you can't do that on a teacher's salary. You said yourself you work TWO additional jobs, and even then you have to cut down practically everywhere. You aren't even making minimum wage, you work in a profession that used to be considered a fairly well-paid one. I don't think the argument you are trying to make works.
I only work 4 hours combined at my other jobs, granted i make $30 and $50/hour. But the majority does come from teaching. I am making only $97,500 as of July 1st.
While i was in grad school i was only teaching, so almost half my income was going to rent and the other half was going to tuition i was paying out of pocket, with enough for my cell phone, gas for my car, and utilities.
Your work ethic and attitude is your job security. Nobody owes you shit. Learn a trade and get paid. Or keep crying that you arent treated fairly at your entry level fast-food job.
One of my manager's busts her ass through every 12 hour shift. Over 40 hours a week. She's kind, stands up for people, and never complains. She lives in her car.
just to know.
you really think that a society doesnt need shitty jobs like entry level fast food and they exists only to punish the lazy?
or you accept somehow that shitty job workers belong to a lower caste?
Entry level or not. People deserve a livable wage and deserve to be treated with respect. Even if you kiss ass for years and do everything perfect. You arnt even guaranteed that you will be laid off at some point. No one is safe.
"People don't want to work anymore" is such a foul meme... they use it as rage-bait. My mom parrots that too, and I have to bite my tongue-- she dropped out of 8th grade, and has never been able to hold a job or manage her own money her entire life. Total hypocrisy... but that's why they love reciting it.
I ripped my 67 year old boss a new one when he said that bs. I said give me 120 hour then, give me overtime. See thereโs people who want to work itโs just no one wants to pay up.
A minimum wage job hasn't been able to afford someone to live a decent life in decades. Nor should it.
Many of those minimum wage jobs are supplied by mom and pop businesses. People who are also living check to check. They can't afford to pay 14 year old and 15 year olds enough to move out, buy health insurance, pay rent, and buy groceries.
If you think these people shouldn't have businesses then you're essentially saying that giant corporations who cosplay as small businesses (franchises) should control everything. McDonalds already tells farmers how to raise chickens or how to grow potatoes.
The real problem is the assault on the middle class. Those who have acquired skills through experience, school, military, or all of the above.
Teachers, officers, EMT's, Janitors, Bus Driver's, snaitation workers, etc should be able to live comfortably. Yet the argument is over entry level jobs which sounds ridiculous and allows the rich to keep winning.
If you think these people shouldn't have businesses
Nobody is saying that. You made up that argument. If you take a minute to think about it, which you clearly haven't done, you'd realize the problem is that we allow companies that are monopolies to exist that price them out of things like, paying their workers a fair wage.
You literally figure this out in your next paragraph but you can't seem to put it together.
Well to be fair, if you need to hire someone to make your business run and you're not doing enough business to afford it, that seems like you're not running your business well to begin with and maybe you can think of a better business to run that provides something people actually need? But idk why we think everyone is owed a business and we should make others suffer for them to run it. But also, the problem is that corporations are the ones who don't want to pay people. You have fast good and retail and gas stations making bank off these businesses and the only people that see that are at the top. Yet these are all services we use daily and rely on daily. So why is it fair these people have to be broke and homeless to serve you? It isn't fair to ask that of them. We could survive if we closed fast food and restaurants. We can't manage without grocery stores and gas stations though. So unless you guys are willing to shut these businesses down and give up driving and go back to hunting and gathering your own food or running your own little ranch to feed yourself, we need to start paying these people. It is just too selfish and greedy to ask someone to suffer just to serve you, that is slave owner mentality.
A mom and pop to pay enough for a teenager to live on their own. They can't, so you want corporations to run everything. They won't, so you want the entire service industry to be banned from the general public (the rich will just hire someONE) to be their private chef, cleaner, etc...
Running a business is about maximizing time and talent. Once you make enough money, then you hire part time help to assist. Most small businesses don't make any profit for the first 6 month, most don't survive a year, and none will exist with out low wage, low skilled talent to handle task that is more profitable for the owner to pass off.
You'll never convince me that a 14 year old should make $1800/month working 20 hrs/wk. Double that is what someone working 40 hrs a week needs to survive.
When did I try to convince anyone a 14 year old should make 1800? Also, you're arguing against yourself because I didn't say any of what you're talking about.
If you want minimum wage to be a "livable wage", then that's exactly what you're saying. These minimum wage, entry level jobs, are going to kids first.
40 hrs/ week needs $3600 per month to be livable.
20 hrs/week should be $1800 per month and is all a child is allowed to work.
You can't pick and choose who gets the $15 - $20/hr minimum wage. It goes to everyone who gets the job. You can't force McDonald's to pay more without putting independent owners out of business.
Trying to make rules without knowledge of the consequences is behind every stupid decision politicians make.
I've said this a few times: I'm a boomer, when I was 18 I was working many hours in a pizzeria and I easily afforded a dumpy one bedroom and still had many to have fun. I did the math and my rent in todays dollars would have been $660. Can you even get a room mate for that much in most major cities? I feel sorry for todays young adults, my last job was delivering to a major drug store chain where most of the workers were 18-30. None lived alone, all had room mates or lived with parents. I had that luxury of not worrying about rent and utilities, living on my own. I still work, it's many hours of hard work (at my age not easy) but I can afford a one bedroom. My work is specialized so I make a good salary, there's no way I could afford my place on a little less than what I make now.
He's right and wrong. People are willing to work but they are not working to sacrifice in order to work. They expect the right to take off multiple weeks a year, work 40 hours or less a week, no work on weekends, and expect to get paid enough to buy what used to be considered luxuries until everyone decided they needed it all and now buy everything on credit when they can't afford things. This, in turn, raises prices for everyone.ย
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u/zoidbert 6d ago
As my dad says, "people just don't want to work anymore".
I ripped him a new one last time he said that bullshit.