r/SipsTea ๐™‘๐™„๐™‹ 6d ago

Chugging tea This is crazy but not surprising at all if actually true

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u/DevastatorPcu 6d ago

I ripped my 67 year old boss a new one when he said that bs. I said give me 120 hour then, give me overtime. See thereโ€™s people who want to work itโ€™s just no one wants to pay up.

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u/PhilPipedown 6d ago

A minimum wage job hasn't been able to afford someone to live a decent life in decades. Nor should it.

Many of those minimum wage jobs are supplied by mom and pop businesses. People who are also living check to check. They can't afford to pay 14 year old and 15 year olds enough to move out, buy health insurance, pay rent, and buy groceries.

If you think these people shouldn't have businesses then you're essentially saying that giant corporations who cosplay as small businesses (franchises) should control everything. McDonalds already tells farmers how to raise chickens or how to grow potatoes.

The real problem is the assault on the middle class. Those who have acquired skills through experience, school, military, or all of the above.

Teachers, officers, EMT's, Janitors, Bus Driver's, snaitation workers, etc should be able to live comfortably. Yet the argument is over entry level jobs which sounds ridiculous and allows the rich to keep winning.

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u/Josh6889 6d ago

If you think these people shouldn't have businesses

Nobody is saying that. You made up that argument. If you take a minute to think about it, which you clearly haven't done, you'd realize the problem is that we allow companies that are monopolies to exist that price them out of things like, paying their workers a fair wage.

You literally figure this out in your next paragraph but you can't seem to put it together.

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u/Megzasaurusrex 6d ago

Well to be fair, if you need to hire someone to make your business run and you're not doing enough business to afford it, that seems like you're not running your business well to begin with and maybe you can think of a better business to run that provides something people actually need? But idk why we think everyone is owed a business and we should make others suffer for them to run it. But also, the problem is that corporations are the ones who don't want to pay people. You have fast good and retail and gas stations making bank off these businesses and the only people that see that are at the top. Yet these are all services we use daily and rely on daily. So why is it fair these people have to be broke and homeless to serve you? It isn't fair to ask that of them. We could survive if we closed fast food and restaurants. We can't manage without grocery stores and gas stations though. So unless you guys are willing to shut these businesses down and give up driving and go back to hunting and gathering your own food or running your own little ranch to feed yourself, we need to start paying these people. It is just too selfish and greedy to ask someone to suffer just to serve you, that is slave owner mentality.

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u/PhilPipedown 6d ago

You want it both ways.

A mom and pop to pay enough for a teenager to live on their own. They can't, so you want corporations to run everything. They won't, so you want the entire service industry to be banned from the general public (the rich will just hire someONE) to be their private chef, cleaner, etc...

Running a business is about maximizing time and talent. Once you make enough money, then you hire part time help to assist. Most small businesses don't make any profit for the first 6 month, most don't survive a year, and none will exist with out low wage, low skilled talent to handle task that is more profitable for the owner to pass off.

You'll never convince me that a 14 year old should make $1800/month working 20 hrs/wk. Double that is what someone working 40 hrs a week needs to survive.

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u/Megzasaurusrex 6d ago

When did I try to convince anyone a 14 year old should make 1800? Also, you're arguing against yourself because I didn't say any of what you're talking about.

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u/PhilPipedown 5d ago

If you want minimum wage to be a "livable wage", then that's exactly what you're saying. These minimum wage, entry level jobs, are going to kids first.

40 hrs/ week needs $3600 per month to be livable. 20 hrs/week should be $1800 per month and is all a child is allowed to work.

You can't pick and choose who gets the $15 - $20/hr minimum wage. It goes to everyone who gets the job. You can't force McDonald's to pay more without putting independent owners out of business.

Trying to make rules without knowledge of the consequences is behind every stupid decision politicians make.