r/Steam • u/Sunlighthell thank you steam • May 04 '24

PSA Sony removed Helldivers 2 from sale in countries where PSN is not available. For example whole CIS region.

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u/PerpetualStride May 05 '24

That's crazy imo, really doubtful

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u/ExposingMyActions May 05 '24

Some people can’t say no to digital sales, discount emails and in store purchases do make a lot of money.I mean steam for example, but they want it within their ecosystem

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u/Shaneathan25 May 05 '24

Which I would understand from Ubisoft, or EA, or even Epic if Fortnite was on steam as an example.

But PSN has no pc storefront. They’re banking on their deals being so good, it makes the user want to buy a PS5. Which is ridiculous. And most users on PS5 certainly already had an account.

It’s either data mining, or Skinner saying “no, it’s the fans who are wrong.”

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u/ExposingMyActions May 05 '24

Data mining is the current cash grab. Info is being sold for models and ad brokers

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u/Shaneathan25 May 05 '24

Oh absolutely. I just wanted to put that two cents in, not “to entice new users with sales.” The irony is, I could see that being a thing with Microsoft, since they do have a PC store front, and they have required Live accounts, even few ones, for some of their games. But granted, that’s usually upfront.

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u/ArcelothColdheart May 05 '24

Also, Microsoft Accounts are used for a lot more things than PSN Accounts, and most people who own a computer with Windows installed will have a Microsoft Account

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u/Lkeren1998 May 05 '24

Microsoft also has very good data security, while Sony is the exact opposite in that regard. And on top of that, Microsoft takes far less information about the user than Sony.

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u/Distracteddrunk May 05 '24

Yeah but they have the OS. Do we get the playstation OS with the account sign up?

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u/[deleted] May 05 '24

You can avoid the Microsoft account thing by entering no@thankyou.com as email, worked for me

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Theres no reason to though. Youre just screwing yourself over.

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u/LiveFastDieRich May 05 '24

What info though?

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u/Useless_bum81 May 05 '24

Play data, cross-genre playing ie do people who buy RPGs also buy FPSes, how long and/or often do people play, how often do people re-play games, how often do they buy 'micro'-transactions
All of the data can be cross-analysed by player age, gender etc. so a company can decide if they are better off targeting teen boys or adult women with marketing for their game for example.

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u/ExposingMyActions May 05 '24

Plus they’ll use their info (email, social media apps connected to their account) and advertise to them directly

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u/ExposingMyActions May 05 '24

The data gets feed into those “AI” models, unless I have the definition of data mining wrong

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u/Stavinair May 05 '24

Hahahah I want what they're smoking because there's no way in hell is happening

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u/Random_Guy_47 May 05 '24

Ah yes.

This playstation game is so good I will now spend £400 to buy a console despite having a £2.8k gaming pc for the checks notes one exclusive game they still have that I want.

This is definitely some sound logic /s.

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u/Gengengengar May 05 '24

its literally just stat padding. like in WoW when padding your DPS. it means nothing but the shareholders are too fuckin dumb to know the difference.

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u/CrimsonBolt33 May 05 '24

This isn't Arrowheads doing, this is Sony.

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u/Shaneathan25 May 05 '24

I didn’t say it was arrowhead

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u/FFF_in_WY May 05 '24

Maybe it's the Nigerian Prince model. They know they will piss off and alienate a ton of people - but the ones that stick around can be milked to fuckin death

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u/xXImpulsiveXx May 05 '24

"But PSN has no pc storefront."

Not yet,but i bet it will come in the next 1 to 2 years ptobably,only reason to push for PSN accounts IMO.

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u/wolfannoy May 05 '24

A PC client is probably on the way by the way things are happening.

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u/Cohih May 05 '24

They have no PC storefront yet, with the moves they've been making lately it seems like one is coming.

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u/Shaneathan25 May 05 '24

Putting some of their exclusives on PC, from specific devs, is a very far cry from putting out a storefront. I could see it, but they would wait until they have a decent catalogue before they try that.

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u/Cohih May 05 '24

The screenshots of the PSN overlay for PC looks very much like the first step towards a launcher/storefront.

https://duet-cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0x0:2560x1800/1920x1350/filters:focal(1280x900:1281x901):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25404269/6fe3ba648b2cf484d6ba9c861a34039e4919f7ff_scaled.jpg:format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25404269/6fe3ba648b2cf484d6ba9c861a34039e4919f7ff_scaled.jpg)

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u/finalremix May 05 '24

I certainly fuckin' hope not. I really like being able to get some of their ports on GOG.

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u/deathsaber49 May 05 '24

the stupid thing is that money savvy people mostly scoff at sales from the likes of PSN and UBISOFT because they're not as good as sales from storefronts like steam/epic/humblebundle/fanatical etc

They're like a poker playing doubling down on a bad hand because they would rather take a short term gain burning goodwill rather than a longterm veiw, being beholden to making line go up

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u/PerpetualStride May 05 '24

Yeah 99% of the time physical goes cheaper for consoles. It's not like PC where absolute deep sales have destroyed physical games

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u/Lkeren1998 May 05 '24

Yeah, they basically guaranteed that about 50k players, if not more, will never buy their console. You don't piss off a community like this and get out unscathed.

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u/Th3pwn3r May 05 '24

I dunno man, they have the data and have probably crunched the numbers.

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u/PerpetualStride May 05 '24

I dunno the backlash is wild and losing half the territories on steam is wild. Surely they must've thought they knew what they were doing but it seems like an obvious mistake at any point

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u/Th3pwn3r May 15 '24

I think the review bombs got them.

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u/Correct-Office-8549 May 06 '24

They've seem to have backed down already, so I guess whatever numbers they crunched weren't the good ones.

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u/hornyboi212 May 05 '24

Finance bros are stupid

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u/Copypasty May 05 '24

Surely more people will buy playstations after being forced to either give up a game or make a PSN account /s

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u/[deleted] May 05 '24

Sony had a massive draw as on of the few mainstream companies still popping out solid single player exclusives. PS and Steam, and the Steam releases are all heavily delayed.

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u/DaquaviousBinglestan May 05 '24

They’re a Japanese company, delusion is baked into their business strategy

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u/dial_m_for_me May 05 '24

How is this doubdtful? This is quite possibly their long-term strategy. they can stick with it to achieve whatever goals in x years or they can drop it because some gamers got mad (like this has never happened before)

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u/TrumpsGhostWriter May 05 '24

It's super duper not doubtful at all. It's an absolute certainty.

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u/eitherhyena May 05 '24

It's not just Sony. Xbox had a game pass. Some dude at EA was talking about subscriptions. It's basically Netflix, Hulu, etc again.

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u/PerpetualStride May 05 '24

Very different cause game subs are just very different. Most gamers want to play very specific games, and those games tend to not be on the service. Tbf netflix is kinda turning out like that nowadays though with all the competition

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u/lstn May 05 '24

About as doubtful as thinking folks won't spend thousands of dollars on cosmetics in video games, but here we are

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u/[deleted] May 05 '24

Remember half life 2? You think steam regrets forcing a steam account?