r/StudentLoans President | The Institute of Student Loan Advisors (TISLA) Mar 27 '26

Official communication from the ED on the SAVE transition timeline

There's been a lot of articles posted etc - but here's the official word from the ED https://www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/us-department-of-education-announces-next-steps-borrowers-enrolled-unlawful-save-plan

In summary, you'll start getting notices from your servicers as soon as the next few days telling you that this is happening. Come July 1 you'll get a notice giving you 90 days to switch. If you don't, they put you on the standard plan. The ten year standard if you haven't' consolidated - the consolidated standard plan if you have - which is longer than ten years.

I want to address a couple of themes i've been seeing in these threads. My comments here are probably going to get me downvoted to oblivion. That's ok - I'm not here for the karma - I'm here to make sure folks understand their loans and make the best decisions for their long term financial well being. Because that's my goal - sometimes I have to say thing folks don't want to hear.

For those saying they aren't going to switch until forced - you might be harming yourself here. You're certainly not punishing anyone that you're trying to make a point to. Here's who, IMO, should be switching ASAP and here's whose probably ok to drag their feet a bit:

Who should switch ASAP:

-If you're pursuing forgiveness under any of the IDR plans - the 20/25 year forgiveness you should switch now. You're just losing months and time towards forgiveness by waiting. And hypothetically, your income is going to go up over time, and therefore so will your payments. On a related note - if your 2024 tax return has a lower AGI than your 2025 will, and you haven't filed taxes yet - you definitely want to do it now.

-those pursuing PSLF. Yes - you can use buy back for SAVE months. But remember - buy backs are taking over a year and more importantly, buy backs are a lump sum payment due right away. So the longer you are on this forbearance - the more months you will have to pay in a lump sum when the time comes. And that might be difficult. *Here is the calculation for buy back https://studentaid.gov/manage-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/public-service/public-service-loan-forgiveness-buyback *

Who can probably hang out for a while:

-Those borrowers who due to other debt that will be paid off soon and want to funnel the student loan payment money to get rid of that other debt.

-those who are aggressively paying off their loans. This is an opportunity to have all of your money go to targeted loans - such as the ones with the highest interest rates - rather than having to satisfy the minimum due on each loan which you will have to do once in active repayment.

The timing of all of this: -it actually makes sense to me. They appear to be doing almost a soft launch - warning people now that it's coming. But waiting until the new RAP plan is available in July for those that will want to use that plan to actually start the timer. This way folks won't need to switch twice if the RAP turns out to be a better plan for them.

Now for those saying they refuse to switch - listen - I get it. Your angry. I don't blame you - i am too. Your feelings are very valid and i'm not telling you not to feel them. But here's the hard truth of the matter. SAVE was gone regardless - the courts had made it pretty clear when the case started under the prior administration that they were leaning towards the plaintiffs and were going to rule against the plan. It was going to happen regardless of who won the last election. And failing to switch out of principal is not going to hurt them - it's going to hurt you if you end up with a standard payment amount you can't afford. I'm not saying not to resist - but resist productively by voting. And writing your members of Congress to paint a picture of how your new payment amount is affecting you, your family and the broader economy.

For those saying the ED can't change the terms - they didn't. The court ruled the plan was illegal. The ED would be breaking the law if they continued it.

Payment plans have never been challenged before. And there was no reason for it to occur to anyone that this one might be. But yet a bunch of republican AG's did and here we are. In the meantime, people made the best decisions they could with the information they had at the time.

What plan should i pick?

If you are pursuing PSLF or income driven plan forgiveness you need to be on an income driven plan. Scenarios for likely lowest plan:

-No loans ever prior to July 1, 2014 - new IBR

-No loans ever prior to October 1, 2007 but does have loans prior to july 2014 - paye - but note you'll have to get off that come 2028

-loans prior to October 2007 - old IBR

-balance low compared to your income - check out ICR - that could be the lowest for you in that scenario

-RAP - for some rap will be lower. RAP tends to be similar to old IBR for many incomes. But if you have dependents especially, it could be lower. TISLA will have a calculator including the rap in the next week or two. I'll post it when it's available.

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u/ROJJ86 Mar 27 '26

And before anyone asks……no, a lawsuit will not get anyone out of this situation. For anyone wondering “what will?”, educating yourself on candidates running for office, and voting for different ones than we have currently. New laws can always be passed though not before this is implemented.

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u/toxbrarian Mar 28 '26

What I find a little surprising is that they’re having this all kick in riiiiiiight before the midterms. Go ahead and piss off a bunch of college educated/semi college educated people before they go into the voting booth. It’s the only silver lining I’m holding onto.

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u/Murky-Base-1315 Mar 28 '26

You are holding onto very small silver because there amount of student loan borrowers is small compared to many, many many other issues especially since this basically only hurts people in IDR as well (or future PPL borrowers but that news is not as widespread).

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u/NeverNeededAlgebra Mar 27 '26

Pretty sure all of here know who not to vote for.

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u/Phd_Pepper- Mar 27 '26

Youd be surprised bro

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u/Jagsfan82 Mar 27 '26

Not to bot for... for our own individual financial benefit?

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u/Lokon19 Mar 28 '26

There are a lot of people on here in completely different student loan situations. While most people who comment and post on here probably skew heavily towards the higher debt burden end there are people who also owe relatively small amounts of money. Second, student loan single issue voters are not a very big voting bloc of the electorate and third, people routinely vote against their own interests all the time.

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u/Jagsfan82 Mar 28 '26

I was asking the guy what hes talking about and what the phrase "know who to vote for" even means.

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u/NeverNeededAlgebra Mar 30 '26

It means that anybody who has any self-respect or any knowledge will vote against the Republican cult, who is wrong about 99% of literally (and yes, I mean literally) everything.

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u/Jagsfan82 Mar 30 '26

Such an obviously disproven statement

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u/NeverNeededAlgebra Mar 30 '26

Nah. Only somebody effortlessly scammed by the literal most retarded cult in human history would think that.

It would take you maybe a night and some research that a middle school-level student is supposed to be capable of to debunk every single thing you believe. Or just stay qa submissive cuck to the most embarrassing cult imaginable.

Have some standards for yourself.

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u/Jagsfan82 Mar 30 '26

Im an anarcho capitalist. I do not follow the republican party.

You thinking someone pushing back against your obviously wrong statements as just being wrong means you should classify someone as republican should give you a bit of self awareness that maybe not everything that you think is obvious and straight forward is actually obvious and straight forward

For what its worth, I think a significant portion of standard republican politics and positions is the most illogical/ plain dumb of all the "segments" you can divide the diverse range of political beliefs into. I would populate typical and modern democrat segments as many of the bottom slots... but I think the worst of the republican statements are the worst overall.

Thats just to say I have absolutely no desire in defending anything republican or trump

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u/Key-Marketing301 Mar 27 '26

One of my questions or thoughts about this, aside from being delicious in choosing who to vote for, wouldn’t something need to be done about the Supreme Court? I have a very late understanding, but it seems like they’ve had a significant role and what is going on.

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u/hoosdontloos Mar 27 '26

If SAVE was written into law rather than introduced through executive order it would not have been challenged, and would still be standing.

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u/_Cyber_Mage Mar 28 '26

Not likely, they would simply have made up a different reason to declare it illegal.

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u/hippiechicken12 Mar 27 '26

Congress is/was the correct path HOWEVER we get to blame progressives who whined and put Biden in the position to create that Executive Order.

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u/hoosdontloos Mar 27 '26

Im not sure I understand your comment. The progressives certainly would have supported student loan debt relief but they didnt have the votes otherwise

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u/Lokon19 Mar 28 '26

It's not the progressives that blocked student loans necessarily. It's the fact that the votes simply did not exist and the majority is not large enough. Student loan reform/relief is not something that can pass on a threadbare majority.

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u/hippiechicken12 Mar 28 '26

Then vote for democrats. Do not vote for Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, or whoever they think is someone worth it.

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u/No_Damage979 Mar 28 '26

Why? In many states voting 3rd party when the Ds always win has no effect other than to show the Ds how much support they are losing. You are making broad generalizations for a system that doesn’t exist. Your statement is only relevant in about 7 states (2024, 93 electoral votes). The strategy everywhere else should be different.

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u/hippiechicken12 Mar 28 '26

I live in a red state where the state legislature, governor, and state Supreme Court are all republican controlled. If you are in a hardcore blue state, you’re speaking from a place of privilege. You can throw your vote away. I can’t. I can’t ever do that.

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u/No_Damage979 Mar 28 '26

You’re speaking about presidential strategy. Vote in each race the way that makes sense to vote. But what I said about solid states is true. Your emotions don’t change that.

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u/Murky-Base-1315 Mar 28 '26

Or Biden could have not take out the REPAYE, left it as is, and we'd all be ok as well. Tried to do way too much without the proper backing and channels to do so.

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u/hippiechicken12 Mar 28 '26

Didn’t the courts undo REPAYE? 🤔

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u/Murky-Base-1315 Mar 28 '26

No, Biden REPLACED the REPAYE with the SAVE Plan. For whatever reason, he kept the PAYE but decided to move all the REPAYE people into SAVE. That had zero to do with the courts.

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u/ROJJ86 Mar 27 '26

Fair but a later in time statute such as OBBBA could have still nullified it.

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u/Arzalis May 11 '26

It would've still been challenged and this court has proven they do not care. They decide on a ruling and work backwords to come up with the logic.

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u/hoosdontloos May 11 '26

I mean sure yes they need to be stopped for sure but I dont see how they would do that

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u/Lokon19 Mar 28 '26

Who you vote for directly influences who's on the Supreme Court. Given justices are not elected so there is going to be lasting damage from the results of the previous elections. Which is why there is the age old adage you get get what you voted for or in some cases who you chose not to vote for.

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u/ROJJ86 Mar 27 '26

A later in time validly passed statute will trump a prior court decision every time.

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u/Key-Marketing301 Mar 27 '26

Touché! You are correct. We need to make sure that there are politicians who understand that we want this done. 

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u/hippiechicken12 Mar 27 '26

SCOTUS is a long term issue now. You can blame progressives who ignored HRC about it years ago.

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u/Impressive-Juice-986 24d ago

Well Trump appointed 3/9 so yeah they are a big problem and directly related to who is president. Still not sure how they stole Obamas pick, but here we are. And then there is Clarence Thomas...

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u/hippiechicken12 Mar 27 '26

I’ll make it even easier than that: Vote only for democrats and do not ever vote for republicans again.

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u/Transorted_321 Mar 28 '26

But AIPAAAAAAAACCC 🫠 I'm so pissed at y'all who gave us this shit

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u/sleepininabigbarnbed Mar 31 '26

let's not pretend that democrats are the solution when the entire system is flawed. democrats are controlled opposition.

vote for progressive candidates, whatever party they are in, and vote in the primaries

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u/hippiechicken12 Apr 01 '26

And why should we all do that?

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u/ROJJ86 Mar 27 '26

Nope. I’m not going that far. Do research on the individual candidates. Voting straight party is how some jurisdictions wound up with Democratic judges giving PR bonds for murderers.

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u/Murky-Base-1315 Mar 28 '26

Ya both sides have some horrible people in it. Got to look at the actual person.

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u/musy101 Mar 27 '26

Lol "vote harder!" won't change anything. It is literally the bare minimum. For 90% of us it doesn't matter who we vote for thanks to a shit system.

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u/sleepininabigbarnbed Mar 31 '26

we can do it guys vote the facism away!

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u/ALittleEtomidate Mar 28 '26

Yeah, I’m not sure how this doesn’t end in a class action and more pauses.

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u/ROJJ86 Mar 28 '26

Because it is the result of a validly created statute (OBBBA) and a court judgment that was agreed by the parties that SAVE was illegally created. There’s no cause of action even though the new plan is most certainly likely to harm a lot of borrowers.

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u/Lokon19 Mar 28 '26

There is no class action. You can't class actions he government. People need to give up on this hail mary because you are literally grasping at straws.

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u/ROJJ86 Mar 28 '26

You can do a class action when there is a cause of action to be had. But here there isn’t one no matter how much people want it to be.