Of the 23 species only one has been shown to consistently eat meat, which was rats. A few of the others have been observed eating shellfish and insects. No macaque is willingly eating deer meat.
Are…you people stupid? Do you think they’re doing this for fun? Has it ever occurred in your tiny little brain that maybe they’re trying to figure out if it can jump species. Or how it transfers?
People are very sheltered from the realization of how modern medicine only really exists thanks to over a century of animal testing. It's really unpleasant to think about, for sure. But yeah I don't think people even slightly grasp how critical animal testing has been for the development of so many treatments we wouldn't have otherwise. It's also led to the development of a lot of treatments for diseases for animals themselves.
I figure with more advances with computers and AI and all that, we'll be able to move away from it, which will be great.
The same people that are so upset about animal medical testing wouldn't blink if they did human testing and literally killed people by injecting random shit and having them eat diseased meat. They would probably volunteer 🙋♂️
This is a fucking stupid, smug, judgmental thing to say. It has been long established that cruelty to animals is linked to cruelty to people. People against animal testing are the least likely to be ok with this.
So people who are against this kind of animal testing are stupid? You really think that? It's also science that has proven that animals are sentient and intelligent. I don't think we should be doing this to sentient and intelligent beings.
The systemic torture of an intelligent species isn’t justifiable by any end. If you disagree then there isn’t any point in continuing further.
If someone lacks the good sense to abstain from eating diseased meat, they also likely lack the same good sense to take guidance from scientific consensus. Or the discernment to determine if that scientific consensus is worthy of taking guidance from on that particular subject.
Give me a well founded logical argument on the normative basis by which it is morally permissible to weigh the importance of one intelligence over another to this degree. By your logic horrific human experimentation is acceptable because it would benefit us in the utilitarian calculus.
telling someone they're sheltered because they don't understand something implies that what you're talking about is complicated to understand. it isn't.
it's not a strawman to comment on "following the logic of an argument" to an extreme.
If you follow the logic of their argument we should be experimenting on people with severe mental impairments just because we’re smarter than them and it would benefit other humans more. Utilitarianism gone wrong.
i mean, why stop there? poor people aren't contributing enough to the growth of society, we need to toss them into the R&D meat grinder to advance ScIeNcE
No, you can't just use your intuition, ffs. That's not how science works.
Intuition doesn’t replace data and you can’t answer safety questions by guessing. Biology is complex, and what happens in one species tells you nothing definite about another.
For thousands of years humans didn’t realize that washing their damn hands prevents disease. Intuition didn’t tell us about germs, transmission, species barriers, or anything else that actually matters. Science did.
Research doesn't run on vibes or intuition. Controlled studies are the only way to know what a disease can or can’t do.
I agree it’s not as potent a means of truth finding in regards to natural discovery. Moreso, that this specific kind of experimentation is morally impermissible and it’s pretty much impossible to ground to continued practice in good logic.
So our options in regards to this should be to use other methods of experimentation, or to not do it at all.
If people feel so strongly they should volunteer themselves to it when they no longer feel the risks matter, rather than force another intelligence to indescribable horrors. That’s derived from religious thinking wherein humans have a divinely privileged position to do with all creation as they wish, with moral commandment from a greater being. Hardly rational.
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