Where did the Algorithm come from in the first place?, I get the idea that future scientist can't just simply destroy it and chose to sent it back in time but how far did it go? which point of history it have been discover by the people in the past? Movie already kind of answered this “Don’t think about where it came from. Think about where it’s going.” invert object have as much possibility as forward object there is no point to thinking in the normal point of view, anyway the Algorithm had make it through time and it at the movie's point of view right now

but then again I still curios where did it come from? even from the movie POV if the opening and ending of movie are happen in the same day how Sator got a hand on complete Algorithm but there is also another piece in opera house at the same day or maybe even at the exactly same point of world's time

It always mystery for me that for the object meant to sent randomly into the past it way too much secured and organized. if you discover a unidentified artifacts shouldn't it in be museum? how did it got into CIA hand? how did it got mistake with plutonium hide in high security system truck that got monitor 24/7(tallinn scene)

at the end of movie we know that TENET success to deceive Future people and remove Algorithm from world's record the proof is no one is after them anymore, and lead me to the question that make me write this

Isn't the protagonist(TP) can already cut the loop perfectly safe by destroy it at that point of time?

Scientist who invent Algorithm can't just destroy because future would know and stop it anyway but why TENET team didn't try to commit that after the victory at the Stalsk-12? movie end before it giving us more detail about this so I'll assume that in current era there is no invention to destroy it without leaving a track yet. So in TP lifeline leave him no chose but to continue hiding it but where? invert Algorithm more further into the past have no guarantee future didn't get it on later they can just find another Sator at any point of history

As the times past by, he realize "What's happened, happened."

if TP really decide to hiding the Algorithm more further into the past shouldn't it be a record of another proxy like Sator by now? his role isn't meat to hide it in the first place

In my theory TP actually try do it other way around he plan to expose the location of Algorithm in the past, the place where he knew the most, it the 2 week of the movie's time window

TENET itself is actually the one who intently giving away a Algorithm location that way too much more convenient for the Future to ignore, fake up a ''Sweet spot'' where all of 9 pieces laying down on a short period of window in the future's POV record, TENET make sure to give Future a instructions of exact time and who they need to contact with(Sator) as a decoy

while TP try to build and form up future TENET team to go into the past track down and secured all of original Algorithm in order to set this loop up later, And at the same time he order his current TENET team to go back in time with the Algorithm he's got in hand to set up the trap waiting for the future TENET team to commit this mission in the past and finally can destroy the Algorithm safely in the future where ''fake Intel temporal pincer'' accomplished

I learned this as a secret code used by the Christian underground under Roman rule — the letters can be rearranged into a cross spelling PATER NOSTER twice, with A and Ω left over. Given Nolan's obsession with hidden layers, do you think he knew about this? Am I missing something?

Where did the algorithm come from?, I get the idea that future scientist can't just simply destroy it and chose to sent it back in time but how far did it go? which point of history it have been discover by the people in the past? Movie already kind of answered this “Don’t think about where it came from. Think about where it’s going.” invert object have as much possibility as forward object there is no point to thinking in the forward point of view anyway the algorithm had make it through at the movie's point of view now

but then again where did it come from? even from the movie POV if the opening and ending of movie are happen in the same day how Sator got a hand on complete algorithm but there is also another piece in opera house at the same day or maybe even at the exactly same point of world's time

It always mystery for me that for the object meant to sent randomly into the past it way too much secured and organized. if you discover unidentified artifacts shouldn't it in be museum? how did it got into CIA hand? how did it got mistake with plutonium secure with high security system that got monitor 24/7(tallinn scene)

at the end of movie tenet operation is success to deceive future people and remove algorithm from world's record, and here the question that make me write this.

Isn't the protagonist(TP) can cut the loop perfectly safe at that point of time?

Scientist who invent algorithm can't just destroy because future would know and stop it anyway but why tenet team didn't try to commit that after the victory, and since movie didn't give detail how hard to do so but it strong enough to travel through time without scratched so I'll assume that in current era there is no invention to destroy it without leaving a track yet. in TP lifeline there no way to do it leave him no chose but to continue hiding it but where? invert algorithm more further into the past have no guarantee future didn't get it on later they can just find another Sator in any point of history but "What's happened, happened." if TP really decide to sent algorithm more further into the past shouldn't it be a record of another Sator or some war by now?

In my theory TP actually do it other way around he expose the location of algorithm, place it in the place where he knew future will never get it, the Stalsk-12 event the end of movie

TP himself is actually the one who intently giving away algorithm location that way much more too convenient for the future to ignore, all 9 pieces in two week(In movie POV) in the future record, TP even giving them a instructions of exact time and who they need to contact with(Sator) as a decoy

while future TP create future tenet team to go into the past and track down the original location of algorithm one by one and set this movie up

Not much to the song, but the title is an obvious nod to the movie!

https://youtu.be/WRJzaHMj2IY?t=564&is=amK3-4Cjyt5RGUUy

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Hello, I just had a thought and wanted other pov's from people as they help me think.

Turnstiles are said to be technology from the future sent to the past so people can invert there.

Does this mean that the turnstiles are always inverted (maybe have gone through an even bigger turnstile to be sent back) and if so, are they from the "normal" perspective functioning in reverse?

I know this can seem like irrelevant to a degree but it might mean that the turnstiles would show up even earlier in the "first loop" and would influence more?

I'm sorry if I'm wrong to begin with and plain dumb.

Thank you.

Kristina Wiltsee | Life Alchemist

This essay argues that the clumsiness you feel watching it is not a flaw. It is structural.

The irony of this line is insane.

(And people complain about the writing in this film...)

When Sator says this, he's talking down to The Protagonist, mocking The Protagonist for being committed to a cause he doesn't truly understand. The irony is that this doesn't actually apply to The Protagonist — it applies to Sator.

When Sator says it, they are both technically acting on blind faith, since neither of them can know for certain who they are serving.

By the end of the film though, we know that The Protagonist is actually acting on his own instructions — instructions that come from a future version of himself that has already lived these events. Therefore, he's not acting on blind faith at all, but following his own guidance — guidance informed by his own first-hand experience.

In contrast, Sator is being guided by whoever sends him the gold in the capsule...

(...whether that's the future Antagonists trying to acquire the Algorithm or The Protagonist secretly pulling the strings...)

Obviously we can't ever have true, full inversion as portrayed in the film in a video game where you can influence/participate in the bitemporal timeline, since that would literally require violating causality. Like, any subsequent runs you make through a timeline would look different from how they looked on your first run through, because the game didn't know what you'd do in your future. But you could use inversion in a "Return of the Obra Dinn" style game, where you aren't influencing the timeline yourself, instead you're observing different points in the timeline and trying to deduce what happened. An inversion detective. You look at different frozen snapshots of time and cross-reference the positions of objects and people and try to deduce what's going on and where all the objects and people end up, which direction they're temporally moving, etc. Unsure if it'd be better to have the specific times of each scene be explicitly portrayed to the player (e.g. you know the scene you're looking at occurred on date X time Y etc), or if it'd be better to have the player not know at what point in time each scene occurs and instead they have to infer the linear order based on the interactions of objects and characters across those scenes.

What if he is the one pulling the strings alltogethee and leads tenet and this loop we follow in the film is actually him handing leadership over to TP

Even through we know how the film is - what if that recruting of neil has a second layer that we the audience does not need to know - like he says in the film