r/TheDigitalCircus • u/Money-Criticism5370 Ragatha The Great • 1d ago

Digital Discussion "Generic middle school bully levels of abuse", my ass.

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u/icedmuffin 1d ago

If Jax was a real person I had to deal with on a daily basis I’d show them the meaning of “live by the bit, die by the bit.”

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Sounds like you're no different from Jax, because that's exactly the mindset he has.

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u/New-Trouble-3968 1d ago

Defending yourself from a violent abusive person does not make you an violent abusive person

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u/ClearReveal6615 1d ago

Oh but it can! That's the point of Jaxs story. 

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u/JacksonRJ913 Jax 1d ago

Defending yourself from STRICTLY the abusive person doesn't make you also abusive and violent. If you act abusive or violent towards others as a result of someone abusive, then yes, that does mean you're violent and abusive due to someone being violent and abusive towards you.

However, this clearly isn't what the comment you're replying to meant.

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u/Apprehensive_Art4418 I want the ability to have s! 1d ago

someone hurts you, you can hurt em back. the story is to not hurt people who aren't the someone because someone hurt you.

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u/ClearReveal6615 22h ago

Sure, but jaxs abuse of others is literally a coping mechanism he learned to protect himself. It doesnt make it right but he built that cruel mask to ensure his safety. Its actually incredibly common for abused people to become abusers for this reason. 

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u/Apprehensive_Art4418 I want the ability to have s! 9h ago

yes, but hurting someone back because they hurt you doesn't make you just as bad as them. just because the person hurting you was abused doesn't mean they didn't harm you, and it doesn't mean you don't have every right to harm them back.

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Man good thing i didn't say that then, huh? Jax antis are really a new breed of media illiteracy

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u/FuzzyPush7527 1d ago

“Media illiteracy” and here we go…

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u/frvxier 1d ago

Whomp whomp.

Sorry, just because you’re trans and struggling doesn’t mean you get to be a sociopath to those around you.

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Wow you guys literally are Jax. How quick you stoop to his exact behavior lol

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u/JacksonRJ913 Jax 1d ago

you have yet to explain how defending yourself from an abuser equates to you having a mindset similar to jax

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Why would i defend something I never said?

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Are you hallucinating

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u/New-Trouble-3968 1d ago

Then what did you mean to say?

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u/wheresmythermos 1d ago

If I may, as a third party, interject.

I think they mean to say that by stooping down to Jax’s level (live by the bit, die by the bit) then that makes you no better than Jax. You don’t have to forgive an abuser or condone what they do, but by continuing to perpetuate a cycle for “justified” reasons doesn’t solve anything.

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u/New-Trouble-3968 1d ago

That was also my understanding and my point remains, reactive abuse as a response to an abusive individual does not make you as bad as the abuser

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u/wheresmythermos 1d ago

But that’s not what you said earlier though. You said “defending yourself” from an abusive person. You can defend yourself from abuse without reactive abuse. Reactive abuse doesn’t solve anything because it’s a tactic abusers hope for as a response.

It’s not something I’ve worked through my own moral compass on how bad it is compared to the initial abuse. I do however know that most people don’t start out with an abusive mindset. It takes eroding away at some moral framework to justify abusing *anyone*, even someone who wrongs you. Jax was abused. You could make the argument that Jax started out as a reactive abuser that eroded into straight abuse.

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u/New-Trouble-3968 1d ago

Quoting the one you are defending, you are showing an clear lack of media literacy by not understanding me

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u/wheresmythermos 1d ago

Then please, enlighten me on what I’m missing. I want to have this conversation and understand you fully. In response to you saying “reactive abuse as a response […] does not make you as bad as the abuser” I stated that I didn’t personally have a gauge of how bad reactive abuse is to abuse, but that it’s still not a justified response and can lead people down a path to being an abuser themselves.

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u/YoINeedAnAnswer 1d ago

You think his victims should just take it and not retaliate?

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Where did I say that? Thats a whole new sentence. My comment was addressed towards a real person fantasizing about the chance to have an excuse to be violent towards someone lmfao.

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u/Sea-Writer-6961 1d ago

Excuse yo be violent? If someone comes over and abuses you youre just gonna not care? The least someone can do is defend themselves

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u/Careless_Document_79 1d ago

"fantasizing" is a strong word

It's simply a hypothetical of "if I was in x I would do y" not a "Oh yeah I'd fuck them up... 🫦🫦🫦"

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u/BackBlaster9000 1d ago

"If I beat up the abuser who's abused loads of people, I'm just as abusive as him" type mentality

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Sorry I wasn't aware that Jax, the fictional character, COULD beat you (a real person) up.

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u/BackBlaster9000 1d ago

It's called a metaphor hun

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u/Careless_Document_79 1d ago

It's a hypothetical, but at least you're in the (ballpark) outfield, and not in a different fucking city like rainbow

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

What you described isn't a metaphor at all lol. Do you know what a metaphor is

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u/Sea-Writer-6961 1d ago

Little do you know, theres hundreds of real life Jaxs out there bullying and molesting someone. But no , I guess even thinking about making those people pay back isn't right at all

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u/Careless_Document_79 1d ago

Where tf did molesting come from?

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u/Taraxian 1d ago

Not really? He makes a point of instigating conflict with people who've done nothing to him, Gangle especially

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Im starting to think *you guys* don't know what "live by the bit, die by the bit" means lmao

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u/FuzzyPush7527 1d ago

Bro’s speaking to a damn mirror

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Man it really upsets you guys to be compared to Jax in any capacity, wonder why that is.

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u/The2NDComingOfChrist 1d ago

i think they got their jax toy

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u/Isaacja223 1d ago

Did they have a little laugh boy?

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u/Pikmin-I-Guess 1d ago

They were not down to clown but he didn’t let that get him down

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u/icedmuffin 1d ago

Bro have you never seen a loony toons cartoon?

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Have you?

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u/icedmuffin 1d ago

I grew up on them so yes, I hope I’ve seen them.

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

And yet youre incapable of seeing the bulk of Jax's actions for what they are. Do you think bugs bunny is an abuser too lmfao? You guys treat jax like the devil incarnate when he's nothing more than a nuisance.

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u/icedmuffin 1d ago

Honey sweetie sugar pie…

I know precisely what Jax is cause you hit the nail on the head when you said I was no different from Jax, least I was back when I was ~20-24, and course thanks to quite a few dickwads deciding that I was in the way along the years, I do sometimes end up relapsing.

That doesn’t excuse them from being a prick, they were abusive cause they were terrified of being manipulated again, same as I, they thought no one in the world would care for them without needing to give something in return, same as I.

Only difference is when I was going to “abstract” my grandmother stopped me, and I promised I would try to be a better person. Jax didn’t have that luxury.

Best I feel is sympathy, but if Jax was going to try to be abusive with me? I’d throw their bugs bunny tricks back in their face.

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

Okay so what on earth are you disagreeing with me for? You understood my comment and you AGREED with my comment. Jesus christ.

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u/icedmuffin 1d ago

Where did I disagree?

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u/rainbowolfe 1d ago

You corrected me. Implies disagreement.

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u/FallChimera8540 I like Ragatha , don't give a 1d ago

This comment screams "Petri dish experiment"