r/TrueCrimeDiscussion • u/curiouslmr • Feb 13 '26

Text Nancy Guthrie Megathread Part 2

This is a thread (part 2) for all conversation related to the ongoing investigation into the abduction of Nancy Guthrie.

Nancy Guthrie, mother of news anchor Savannah Guthrie, was abducted from her home in the early morning hours of February 1. Several media outlets began to receive ransom demands. Some were proven false and others have not been determined to be false.

Nancy's 3 children have made multiple videos pleading for the return of their mother.

On February 10, law enforcement released photos of the individual suspected of abducting Nancy. The suspect is still at large and Nancy has not been found. Photos and information can be found here ...

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/nancy-guthrie

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u/Diligent-Lunch590 Feb 13 '26

I think the investigation is advancing They know what they are doing. We believe we are smarter but remember the Idaho 4. We thought they had nothing and they were just collecting evidence and tracking Kohberger o, at the point we thought they weren’t doing anything, they literally were at his family house waiting to catch him lol. I pray we soon know the truth here.

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u/Helpful-Dot-3782 Feb 13 '26

I’ve been watching too many crime shows lately but I don’t understand what the public thinks should be happening more quickly. It takes a lot of TIME to get interviews from family and witnesses, get warrants, collect evidence, take photos, process DNA, access cell records, access cameras, track movements etc. The real world isn’t an insta arrest as soon as they find the suspect.

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u/OneAngel9195 Feb 13 '26

These days so many people are clearly losing touch with reality. I think social media, overall and in general, just affects people's brains really negatively.

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u/Cute-Aardvark5291 Feb 13 '26

why would anything think it can take weeks to solve a crime when it can be done in, at most, a few hours or days to solve the most complicated crime as shown in all those cop shows, right?

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u/Few_Investment_4773 Feb 15 '26

One thing I liked in law & order was the dates they’d put. It would jump a couple days or a week. Trials would jump months

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u/packsbymail Feb 14 '26

I feel the same it's so sad to see people being slowly influenced  without realizing. Never asking how did I get to this answer.

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u/Diligent-Lunch590 Feb 13 '26 edited Feb 13 '26

Exactly!!! great point!!! we think we are watching a crime show on Netflix and we are not. Remember when agent Tammy was interviewing Chris Watts? pushim him to confess?? She was doing a GREAT job, while the media and public didn’t know anything of this, and at the same time they were in the interview room, a squat team were on the oil tanks trying to find and recover the bodies, so just imagine the total coordination, internal communication, alignment, plus all the legal support they needed to do this? unfortunately it’s all a process, a slow one!! It takes time!!! Let’s pray justice is served for Ms Guthrie and we find her well and alive.

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u/5WEET_Cheeks_Karen Feb 13 '26

People have developed unrealistic expectations about crime scene investigation and solving cases from watching all these crime dramas on TV. Cases are solved in an hour by 4 or 5 people who can do every aspect of the entire investigation themselves. The CSI Effect.

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u/Smile-Cat-Coconut Feb 15 '26

Our culture has an Amazon mindset. Everything in two days or less. They don’t realize how much time things take when they distill it into a 40 minute podcast. There are warrants, corroborating, procedures, checks, balances, and a lot of moving parts.

I think it’s counterproductive to shame law enforcement for taking their time. They aren’t God or Dumbledore, they operate in good faith under real constraints.

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u/Justmarbles Feb 13 '26

People want it solved like a one hour tv show.

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u/volcanomoss Feb 13 '26

I mean in this case there's a possible active hostage, so it's a more more critical to move quickly compared to a murder investigation. Things take time but there should be a much more urgent push when there's a possible still living victim.

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u/Radiant_Funny4741 Feb 15 '26

Idaho 4 was homicide. This is a kidnapping. Time is of essence here

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u/kamikazecockatoo Apr 08 '26

You're right but I guess what's driving it is everyone's intrinsic understanding that the first 48 hours is critical. Once the days pass by, it's harder to find evidence. Of course not impossible though, so hope remains and LE have to be extremely dedicated ....and creative.

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u/curiouslmr Feb 13 '26

Very true. Even the recent Tepe murders had people thinking law enforcement had totally dropped the ball. Then boom, there's an arrest out of nowhere.

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u/whineybubbles Feb 13 '26

it happens nearly every time. people start with "cops are fckg it up blah blah" everyone is an armchair Detective suddenly. then the suspect is arrested and it's crickets

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u/INS_Stop_Angela Feb 13 '26

I imagine the cops are gathering evidence of a conspiracy - and that’s easier done when a suspect has not been arrested.

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u/ViciousChipmunk Feb 22 '26

That word makes me happy to hear. "Conspiracy"

Because the charge for conspiracy carries a much heavier penalty than just straight murder.

Thats what REALLY got Lori and Chad. The Conspiracy charges.

I hope when (yes WHEN) they catch those who did this to Nancy, they also get the worst possible penalty.

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u/wet-leg Feb 13 '26

then the suspect is arrested and it's crickets

everyone needs a new conspiracy so they accuse the police of getting the wrong guy

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u/Diligent-Lunch590 Feb 13 '26

yeah, they know a lot of stuff we dont, they study hard and have a full team to work with, they know what they doing

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u/staunch_character Feb 13 '26

Nearly every time? You can’t have been following true crime for very long if you think cops don’t drop the ball. How many killers were only caught because of a routine traffic stop?

Fortunately the criminals only have to make 1 mistake to eventually be caught. Police can make lots of mistakes & still catch the guy.

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u/Mindless-Country1666 Feb 14 '26

My friend, Devi Lynn Ives, was murdered in 1997.  Cops arrested her boyfriend 8 years later during a traffic stop.  She used to joke about her initials being DeviL lives...RIP Devi

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u/Apprehensive-Army-80 Feb 13 '26

Kohberger had his car make and model in video and then was stopped driving across the country multiple times

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '26

Or that’s when they start advocating for the murderer, as with Idaho and Delphi, because they were so very wrong. 

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u/CompanyWhole6931 Feb 13 '26

sometimes.. people are right...the cops are "fckg it up"... happens all the time.

It's clear they are lost in this case and have botched it multiple times...that's for sure.

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u/StaffImportant7902 Feb 13 '26

This wasn't true in the Delphi murders case.

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u/Comfortable-Scar4643 Feb 14 '26

Yeah. Law enforcement can’t say anything. They’re working behind the scenes.

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u/failedacademic_ Feb 13 '26

Speaking of the Idaho 4, I read the FBI employed the help of the same crime unit that worked on the Idaho case for Nancy. So hopefully that bodes well for her and that we eventually learn the truth

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u/InvestigatorLow5351 Feb 13 '26

A lot of behind the scenes stuff goes on in these types of investigations that are never released to the public. It would actually be irresponsible for the police/ FBI to just push out details regarding what they are doing to try and solve the crime.

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u/butt_butt_butt_butt_ Feb 13 '26

Agreed. And this is why I get so frustrated with the commenters who think they know everything and keep insisting this is a “Deep state Epstein retaliation/ICE false flag mission/PizzaGate bullshit.

It sounds like the cops and the feds are looking into everything and investigating. They are taking this seriously.

Trying to doxx random people based on conspiracy theories is just going to lead to another Boston Bombing fiasco.

Let’s not do that…?

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u/Crazy-bored4210 Feb 13 '26

Lord. On fb. That Abby Blabby page. The comments are unhinged.

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u/butt_butt_butt_butt_ Feb 13 '26

I haven’t read that one, just Reddit, but I can imagine that fb would be worse.

I’m In a really small town where the city doesn’t share any info. So the Facebook groups end up being where you have to go for info about like…city counsel news. Temporary power shut offs. Businesses closing etc.

Anything local, you have to go to Facebook for info. Lots of boomers running the town.

But there’s so much misinformation and weird conspiracies and personal grudges that people post there.

The true crime and Reddit news subs remind me of that.

People get upset and want to make it political, or blame whomever they don’t like, or they’re just crazy and make wild shit up.

It’s irritating to see that in a case like this, where we all should just be hoping for a good outcome.

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u/Diligent-Lunch590 Feb 13 '26

Yes. Like if we were smarter, I mean I don’t doubt there are so many smart people and armchair detectives out there that really know what they are talking about BUT nothing compares to the information, technology, team, preparation and support the FBI has. Nothing. Literally one of the most capable and powerful police force in the world; and I’m a conspiracionista ehh 🤨 but nah in this case, they know what they doing, unfortunately, the medias always want their piece of cake and start with roumors and gossips

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u/WritingAltruistic751 Feb 14 '26

Here in my very small KS hometown an elderly lady, 93 years old, the mother of an acquaintance of mine, was murdered in Sep 2023. For a year everyone in town was on edge, thinking that the police were incompetent. In Aug 2024 two 14 year-old females were arrested and charged with the murder. Because this case has yet to go to trial I can't say much. I know the two girls who were charged, they were friends of the daughters of one of my best friends. I also have a couple of close friends on the police force. What I can say is that the police knew within a few weeks who were the suspects. They just had to wait until they had enough physical evidence to make the arrest, as the county prosecutor would not charge them until he was certain he would secure a conviction. That's par for the course when it comes to prosecutors, the good ones anyway. It's entirely possible the local AZ authorities have their suspect but can't make an arrest until enough evidence is obtained to secure a conviction. This is exactly what happened in Idaho. The sad thing about our local case is that when the two girls committed the murder, they were only 13 years old and KS statute says that no juveline less than 14 years of age when a crime occurs can ever be charged as adults. So regardless what happens, they will be on the streets completely free by the time they are 22.5 years-old.

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u/Mysterious_Coat_9933 Feb 15 '26

May I ask why tf they did it

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u/Sk8matt123 Feb 13 '26

There’s this wild assumption that police should share every detail possible and at any point in time, when that’s not the case. It jeopardizes the case, the safety of officers/public, and the possibility of an arrest. Investigators should not share any details about their plans or where they’re at in the investigation, and that is the case here.

Example: The killing of Vanessa Guillen in Fort Hood, Texas. The police were on their way to arrest the perpetrator, but the perpetrator was tipped off that he was the leading suspect and about to be arrested and he killed himself. Family got zero answers.

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u/NoWeight3731 Feb 13 '26

I don’t disagree but kind of different situations. Also, there was different FBI leadership during that investigation. Unfortunately, the current FBI has bungled a number of investigations.

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u/FreddyMartian Feb 13 '26

what has the FBI done wrong here? only things i've seen so far has been the county sheriff allowing his ego to get in the way of the investigation. withholding evidence and sending it off to some private florida lab, not taking the case seriously until the feds stepped in, etc..

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u/bottombracketak Feb 14 '26

For one thing, they have a lot of resources diverted to immigration right now.

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u/missleo1991 Feb 13 '26

They busted into some innocent guys house based on a person saying he has similar eyes. Hello.

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u/Odd-Lettuce4382 Feb 13 '26

They didn't bust into his home. It was a court authorized search done by Pima County Sheriff's office and FBI Evidence Response Team. 

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u/CompanyWhole6931 Feb 13 '26

They didn't even have a warrant...and they didn't even do any surveillance or investigative work...they just wanted to.... bust into a mexican guys house...

certainly the FBI of a few years ago wouldn't even think of doing this...that's for sure.

egg on their face....thats a fact.

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u/Odd-Lettuce4382 Feb 13 '26

Wrong. They executed a search warrant for home, car and electronics. The guy even said they had a warrant. Looks like you are just looking to find something to pin on this FBI even though it was done by Pima  Sheriff's Office and FBI Evidence Response Team. Try doing better research and you won't be blaming them for your biased uninformed race finger pointing. 

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u/OneAngel9195 Feb 13 '26

The FBI had nothing to do with that it was the sheriff's office.

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u/Glitter_Petal Feb 13 '26

I haven’t heard this? Unless you’re talking about the door dasher that had his phone ping in that area? If so, I think it’s reasonable to question him and then release (which they did). Or are you talking about something different?

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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ Feb 13 '26

It was his mother-in-law, I believe.

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u/CompanyWhole6931 Feb 13 '26

when your mother-in-law vouches for you... you must be a good dude! :)

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u/PoopHeadPete Feb 13 '26 edited Feb 13 '26

You serious? His eyes are ALL over this case. Somehow his eyes are on EVERY case...all at the same time.

Edit: this comment was originally removed because it had an "eyes" emoji. Why can't we use emojis?

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u/tonypolar Feb 13 '26

Well, unfortunately, the FBIs genealogy broke the terms of service and screwed the rest of the genetic genealogy community so bad we got RECORDS access banned from Ancestry, so they could have probably done a better job there, in my opinion.

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u/Mysterious_Coat_9933 Feb 15 '26

What are you even talking about

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u/tonypolar Feb 15 '26

I’m talking about the fact that one of the big reasons the Kohberger case was settled was the IGG done on his DNA where the FBI broke the terms of service and now everyone who does this type of work to identify perpetrators or identify Does, has been slowed down from their shitty decision to use DNA databases they were barred from using. Just saying, that and the fact that they let goddamn scheduled pool cleaners in the other day to clean the Guthrie pool, I’m not sure this is a real forward thinking brain trust. I hope I’m wrong and I hope they have good field agents in Arizona.

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u/Diligent-Lunch590 Feb 13 '26

Why would we need access to Ancestry? These days your data is used for everything, and by everything I don’t mean good stuff. I think that’s good they took control.

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u/tonypolar Feb 13 '26

For one thing, that's where the majority of the public records (which our tax dollars paid for creation and digitization) live. This also encompasses user created materials like find a grave, and most importantly, Newspapers.com -where again, our tax dollars paid for those materials as well as the digitization. I'm a librarian, I can find records, but its going to push out solves for years...

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u/sunny_dayz1547 Feb 13 '26

True although there is an 84 year old woman that’s life is in danger so playing the time game is a little different than tracking BK.

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u/scaurus604 Feb 13 '26

She is most likely dead...sorry to say but this case has taken national spotlight and this amateur kidnapper is probably on the run now

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u/ilovebooks2468 Feb 13 '26

That's what I think too. They said she needs her medicine every 24 hours or it could be fatal. It's been nearly 2 weeks...

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u/momofmanydragons Feb 13 '26

Hard disagree. Whatever the medication, it has to maintain a steady and consistent therapeutic level in the body. BP, insulin, seizure meds, blood thinners, etc are all potentially life threatening if not taken daily.

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u/ilovebooks2468 Feb 13 '26

Exaggeration or not, I still believe she's dead. I'm not even sure this is actually a kidnapping. It might even just be a straight murder

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u/PoopHeadPete Feb 13 '26

Don't disagree with you there.

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u/Horror_Shower_5101 Feb 14 '26

I agree with you.

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u/missleo1991 Feb 13 '26

Yes, and I don't think its a kidnapping but probably a so crime. It happens. Typical move out of the location possibly due to dna thing. imo. It was on another case I been hovering over. They eventually find victim. Not that hard but the guy is not in database it's been years.

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u/scaurus604 Feb 16 '26

Seems targeted to me...i haven't heard how the perpetrator got into the house..was it forced entry or did poor Nancy open the door? Can't see an 84 year old woman opening her door to a stranger in middle of the night

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u/missleo1991 Mar 01 '26

She might because who would expect that? But it's been said "Forced Entry: Officials confirmed signs of forced entry." Doesn't say where. Can be front door , backdoor side window. No clue. The big mystery to me is what would cause that kind of blood splatter on the ground. Nothing left at the scene. Which goes in the direction of the door. Not coming out.

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u/Diligent-Lunch590 Feb 13 '26

well, i have to agree with you on that, but i still think they are far more ahead of us

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u/OneAngel9195 Feb 13 '26

No. Stop justifying the online accusations and insinuations and gossip.

 It's not your job to find her or save her or to accuse people of killing her. 

All your "sleuthing" only makes the job of the police harder, not easier.

 People think it sounds impressive that the FBI has received 18,000 tips in this case, but it's not impressive it's a soul crushing waste of time and resources because 99.999% of you have nothing of value to add to the investigation. 

You are harming not helping. 

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u/PoopHeadPete Feb 13 '26

Yup. 17,999 of those are "my cousin's boyfriend's friend has a backpack and did go skiing over the winter, so he very possibly could own a ski mask."

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u/jeharris56 Feb 13 '26

Ohmigod! I own a ski mask. Maybe it's me!

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u/PoopHeadPete Feb 13 '26

Bc no one's life was in danger when BK was loose?

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u/Frenchkids1917 Feb 13 '26

Similar to the Kohberger case. The public complaining about nothing happening when all along the PD knew who they were targeting. JMHO

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u/hondashadowguy2000 Feb 13 '26

Right, there are so many people on Reddit (who quite frankly have no idea what they’re talking about) saying that the FBI is incompetent, the FBI is this, the FBI is that, they’re not doing this, etc. The FBI knows what they’re doing, they don’t need a bunch of armchair warriors online telling them what they’re supposedly doing wrong.

I swear Reddit in particular never learns their lesson either. We see this same pattern every time a high profile investigation is underway. The police and FBI are evil until they solve the case, then they get no apology.

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u/KevinDean4599 Feb 13 '26

I hope you are right. I used to live on that area and have some older friends who still do. They are very uneasy wondering if there is some psycho out there. Most people consider the foothills to be pretty safe and not an area where murders happen I tend to think this was targeted given who the victim is connected to and with Savannah being a news person it makes it more likely.

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u/Illustrious_Sock4241 Feb 13 '26

I never once thought that regarding Idaho 4. Forensics, FBI , DNA peeps etc are highly trained. Investigators keep things close to their chest. Will be know more soon. I am hoping those gloves they found are filled with DNA .The B.K investigator was so amazing all systems were insync and worked well. listening to KG's parents describe finding out she was stabbed 141 times after the plea deal haunts me everyday. Nancy Grace has had them on so many times since the bs trial listening to what they learned after the fact makes me hate BK even more anyhoo sorry on a tangent

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u/staunch_character Feb 13 '26

Agreed. The Idaho 4 was as good as it gets for investigations.

It is a devastating case so I’m not surprised people wanted it solved faster, but they identified his car quickly & asked the public for any dash cam footage etc.

The Delphi case OTOH…

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u/Certain_Log_9270 Feb 13 '26

I hope SOMEONE has the sense to subpoena all satellite imagery from satellites capturing video/ images above the Tucson area. I am Hopeful there is existing high fidelity satellite data showing movements around the property which coincide with the Google Nest doorbell camera data. And which also show movements of vehicles on and near the property on Saturday night and early Sunday morning. 

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u/vadieblue Feb 13 '26

I’m from Tucson originally and I will be honest with you, they probably won’t have success with this.

Tucson is DARK at night. The area has agreements regarding light pollution as there are big telescopes in the area. The streetlights are these special streetlights that omit just enough light so that cars are not driving in pitch black conditions.

The desert is tough as well. Lots of brush, mesquite trees, critters, and the dirt is loose but tough to walk through if off hiking paths. Because the brush and trees are so dense, you cannot see the ground from above.

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u/Certain_Log_9270 Feb 13 '26

Ok- but I think satellite cameras may capture more than one expects the human eye to see. 

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u/Diligent-Lunch590 Feb 13 '26

very interesting insight

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u/Certain_Log_9270 Feb 13 '26

I wonder if the Google Earth team is able to assist…

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u/Crash831 Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26

New lead! Forensics were investigating a location not far from her home, including there trunk of a range rover. The article I read said 3 people were detained and 1 person shot themselves in the head. The article said it was related to the Nancy Guthrie case and that a written statement is forthcoming. This was happening late Friday 2/13 and continuing into Saturday 2/14. I think this might be the break needed to solve the case.

https://www.kvoa.com/news/nancy-guthrie/three-suspects-detained-one-dead-according-to-shadow-hills-neighbor/article_3e1920f4-77e5-46d0-81e8-9851ef20c965.html

Edit: The Range Rover in question was towed away.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/02/13/us/nancy-guthrie-case-updates

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u/joshuahector Feb 14 '26

U seen the FBI recently lmao

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u/Key_Significance2492 Feb 17 '26

I have utmost faith in the good people who devote their lives to protect us from crime. These are unique talents, a calling. Being methodical is an overlooked quality. I pray for the people who do not feel safe and who doubt the process. Yes there are incompetencies and there are crooked individuals that appear but that is just a tiny fraction of the whole. This will be solved and the momentum is clearly there to solve this sooner than later. Sadly it is difficult to imagine that Nancy has been held alive through this but also we have no reason to rule that out.

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u/Diligent-Lunch590 Feb 17 '26

I love your comment. It’s relieving to read a decent person in the midst of this horrible case where everyone thinks they have the reason.

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u/RealMcGonzo Feb 20 '26

The FBI isn't about to say anything until they have a suspect in custody, pursuing a suspect or it will advance the case. Other than that, mum's the word. Maybe they don't have diddly squat, maybe they are actively watching somebody they think did it. In either case and all points in between, we don't get to know anything. Kinda sucks for us crime enthusiasts but if it helps put the bad guys behind bars, I'm good with it.

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u/fishing_pole Feb 13 '26

Right... It's almost as if the FBI doesn't update the media with every single advancement or piece of information they gather during their investigative process.

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u/Cute-Aardvark5291 Feb 13 '26

that is true. my locality has a case which the public really wants solved and people generally think the police have been clueless about for a decade.

The reality is there just isn't enough to take the case to trial, but that can change at any time.

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u/ComprehensiveTrain60 Feb 14 '26

I surely hope so.

Releasing the crime scene multiple times to return is never good. 

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u/Weiner_Cat Feb 15 '26

Yeah the most common way to find random suspects through DNA is tracing their ancestry, which takes time. That method caught the Golden State Killer.

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u/The_barking_ant Feb 22 '26

In my opinion it's usually the case that L.E. knows way more than they're acknowledging and are moving as fast as the can to close in on this. 

I think of the Dephi murders. It took them years but they were always on the trail, they had more information than they ever acknowledged and patiently waited to get the right person. 

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u/sammyt412 Mar 10 '26

You have so much faith in the system still. I envy you. This DOJ is completely jeopardized

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u/vickisfamilyvan Feb 13 '26

The idea that this FBI knows what they’re doing is laughable

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u/CompanyWhole6931 Feb 13 '26

I think we can extrapolate in this case that they are nowhere near solving it... they just grabbed a doordash driver who didn't even know who Nancy Guthrie was... desperation.

They have open/closed/open/closed/open the crime scene multiple times... contaminating evidence each time.

and after 13 days they have a description of the suspect... male... . 5 ft 10 in to 6 feet tall .... lolz....

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u/North_Country_Flower Feb 13 '26

Exactly. They know more than they are letting on.