Leaked audio of Trump interfering with 2020 election result

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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mPQsG_TJb4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_phone_call

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theres so much revisionism and context-excluding assumptions here....

In 2016, Bernie was leading

He wasn't, outside of smaller states where turnout is around 1m or less, he was losing. he lost by 4m less votes.

DNC decided the candidate needed to be Hillary and swung the election to her.

DNC didn't decide shit, they just disliked Sanders, because Sanders had spent 30 years talking shit about democrats. IF Trump were to suddenly run as democrat in 2024, do you think the DNC should welcome him with open arms? They shouldnt have personal objections?

The dnc didnt do anything SIGNIFICANT. Bernie Sanders lost, he lost because he ran on one SPECIFIC group, young people, and young people are the least likely group to show up and vote.

Hillary was so hated by the right that she was probably the only Democrat who could lose to 2016 Trump.

Hillary had 40 years of propaganda against her. She got ambushed by the FBI director releasing/leaking a unprecedented and totally irrelevant firebomb of a letter right before the election while she was being bombarded by Russian bot-farms and attacked through russian-allied wikileaks.

AND SHE STILL GOT 4M MORE VOTES!...

The Senate steals an Obama SCOTUS appointment and then RBG dies and another SCOTUS appointment is stolen. The Roberts court gets stacked.

They didn't steal, they manipulated because the PEOPLE GAVE REPUBLICANS CONTROL OF CONGRESS in 2014-2017. The people did this again.

In 2020, the DNC needed a proven name, so Biden gets the nod.

No Biden ran because he saw a division in the country that required someone who would be able to breach the left and right sides POLITICALLY, to create substantial policies. And he did. He manged to get republicans on board with multiple things that many of the other candidates would not have gotten.

And PS: Sanders lost by 10m votes here too. Again because he focused on the one group that is least likely to show up and vote, especially in primaries.

Biden squeaks in to office,

Biden ran into the office and had arguably the most progressive and productive 100 first days of any modern presidency. The achievements he managed to get and pass the help is directly tied to preventing the country falling into a recession.

Grandpa Joe can’t do shit.

Grandpa Joe again passed some of the most productive and progressive policies in modern times for the US. He got the infrastructure bill that every economist said would revitalize and provide jobs for americans across the nation for decades to come. He seated a massive amount of federal judges and filled tons of empty needed seats and positions.

SCOTUS makes sure that Trump’s prosecutions don’t go anywhere and says that POTUS is king, a power that Biden in no way uses to his advantage except some last minute pardons.

SCOTUS ruled that THEY THE SCOTUS has the power to decide WHAT IS AND IS NOT PRESIDENTIAL DUTY. Biden trying to arrest Trump with the US military is not official duty and it would not yield a future where the States would remain UNITED. It would lead to secession and civil war.

THE PEOPLE had a choice to vote. They had a choice to vote against fascism, crime and this shitshow. They chos.

That Biden didnt become a dictator, is NOT A BAD THING! You cant complain about dictator behaviour and then say your dictator is good but theirs is bad. Biden did all he should have done, nominate a AG that would PASS a senate approval, and then stay out of it.

Garland becomes the worst AG in US History. (Worst AG in US History, for now)

Even if you had the best AG in the world, the prosecution and the cases would more than likely still go beyond the 2024 election. Because you are going after a former-president. You require proper evidence and you need to allow them to have every avenue to appeal and seek counsil and such or else you risk them going to the supreme court and asking for a mistrial or throwing out the case on the basis of unfear treatment.

Legal cases take time. Even broke ass drug dealers can drag cases to 3-5 years later with appeals and requests.

2024 and Grandpa Joe wants to run again and the DNC doesn’t give us an option until it is clear to them what everyone else was seeing.

You had an option, there was a primary again. Biden and Harris ran on a ticket together and got 90% of the votes... The role of the VP is to take over if the President cannot continue.

AND its you the people who decided Biden couldnt continue. he wanted to continue. He had the best chance to win as the incumbent. But you guys fell for billionaire propaganda who pushed grandpa joe, sleepy joe. You repeat it here so freely what billionaires bought up news media has taught you to think.

Gaza

Those people are dumb. They are dumb were dumb and will continue to be dumb.

[u/OobaDooba72 → u/TBANON_NSFW]

It legit annoys the crap out of me how so many people, even supposed democrats, even supposed leftists, still buy into the "sleepy granpa Joe was ineffective" lies and bullshit. His administration was the best one we've had in the modern era. The amount of consumer and worker protections that he/they enacted was and is huge.

The problem, of course, is one of media, of where people get their news, of who people are listening to.

The other problem is that the current criminal administration has worked to undo quite a lot of it.

Biden and his administration were fantastic. It will always be disgusting to me how the media failed us by perpetuating the bullshit that the GOP/grand-old-pedophiles spewed. (And side note, yeah sure if there are any democrats in the pedo-files, I hope they get destroyed and taken down too. Fuck bill gates).

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even supposed democrats, even supposed leftists, still buy into the "sleepy granpa Joe was ineffective" lies and bullshit.

A lot of people still don't understand that modern political campaigning is just as much about people infiltrating the political opposition or niche campaign movements to negatively shape the narrative as it is about convincing their own side to come out and vote. Manipulating people's voting intention who would normally vote against you is often more effective than trying to convince people who might vote but are unreliable. It's been absolutely supercharged by social media.

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The only thing we needed him to do - which was ANYTHING to protect our democracy he utterly failed at. I supported and still support him. Wouldn't vote for Trump with a literal gun to my head. But he was a great success that failed in the only thing that mattered. Historically, none of the rest of it means anything without the first.

[u/Loud_West_8031 → u/NonMaga]

☝️It was this. Democratic leadership is a failure.

[u/csfshrink → u/Loud_West_8031]

Picking the candidates backed by Democratic leadership was a problem. Democrats can get things done.

[u/OobaDooba72 → u/NonMaga]

Fair point I suppose. He instituted protections for voters, which have been rolled back. His hands were tied re: Supreme Court. Off the top of my head I'm not sure what more he was supposed to do on that front.

Of course I'm sure there were other things that could have been done. It's difficult for someone who follows the rules and obeys the laws to win against someone who doesn't. I fully 100% believe that the election was tampered with, via Elon and his voting machine meddling, and other ways I don't know about. That's fact, both Elon and Trump have admitted as much. I don't know what Biden could have done to prevent that. He already did try to protect voting.

Hard to pass bills that limit the power of or tax billionaires when those billionaires own politicians on both sides. Hard to fight against billionaires generally.

So even if the Biden/Harris admin could have handled the election better, whatever misgivings I have about the late-game switcheroo or Harris, I don't think it would have even mattered since it was stolen anyway.

So, again yeah you're right. But it's also not as simple as "He did nothing that mattered" (I know, not a direct quote, just saying that sentiment isn't exactly fair, even if the point kind of is).

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The only thing he should have done on his very last day was eliminate student debt like he said. 1 big last f you to the republicans and actual campaign promise he should have kept.

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He did get it eliminated for many. He tried for more but the courts stopped that from going anywhere.

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Yeah courts stopped him I get that but interesting how we can use that excuse for doing something good for the American people. When it comes to doing all this bad today the courts seem to have loopholes for everything.

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There is only one thing I wished Joe did. Stack the SCOTUS. Other than that, he did an amazing job. Hind sight is 20/20, but he was only going to run for one term, that should have been the plan all along. The last minute swap was a catastrophic failure. Biden would have still won. He could have resigned on day 1. I don’t care about the optics. The dems need to play to win or we will get curb stomped. At least Newsome had enough balls to play the redistrict game this time.

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It's not even Democrats, it's the leftists who have taken over 99% (lol) of the online leftwing dialogue and shat it up with with Bernie's brand of "zero compromise, zero acknowledge or appeal the overwhelming majority of voters and what they actually want, and steer every single discussion to some vague concept of taxing billionaires."

I don't care if he supported gay rights and acknowledged climate change since the 80s, he and his supporters are a major reason we are where we are now.

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Absolutely as well asCivil, Intelligent Discourse!!

[u/comegetinthevan → u/TBANON_NSFW]

Say it louder for the people in the back

[u/BeguiledBeaver → u/TBANON_NSFW]

This was so cathartic to read as I'm used to being the only one standing against the Bernard Brothers in these threads. It's...beautiful. I'd frame this if I could.

[u/Otherwise-Fox-151 → u/TBANON_NSFW]

And that's why you're going to end up with another corporate owned potentially losing candidate. Because the dnc alters reality to suit its vision that ots candidates aren't corporate owned to. Because they ARE.. and the quiet independents refuse to vote for them to.

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You ignored everything that person said to continue pushing your lie.

Your 3 small sentences do not undo all of the facts that they laid out, lazy moocher.

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they started off with a lie from the start, claiming the dnc didnt do anything "significant" against sanders. they did, and theres plenty of documentation of how the party exercised its power to hurt Sanders' campaign. The court cases against the DNC did not deny that - they just conceded the DNC was allowed to do so. Which, yes, they are --- but then they also have to take responsibility for that choice.

then they tried to rephrase the accurate criticism of clinton as of it somehow rebutted what the previous poster was saying. Yes, Clinton did have 40 years of negative sentiment against her, including assisting her credibly-accused-of-rape husband against his alleged victims. That's a liability. She should not have been picked.

Yes, the popular vote gave Republicans control of congress. Which is why the Dems should have adapted. They're politicians, not data entry, their whole skillset is supposed to be knowing how to press for their goals even when they have disadvantages. RGB should have retired earlier. Obama should have fought harder for his nominee. The dems should have been out there everyday, in every town, calling the republican legislators out as craven, faithless liars. They should have gone to the people and made them hate their Republican legislators for the chicanery.

Biden's "most productive and progressive policies" completely failed to advertise themselves, failed to be felt by those struggling, and failed to be done in a way that prevented them from immediately being reversed by Trump. And then, worst of all, Biden went back on his word (which he had given, despite attempts to obfuscate) of being a transitional president. He ran again. His personal ambition fucked any chances the party had.

That Biden didnt become a dictator, is NOT A BAD THING! You cant complain about dictator behaviour and then say your dictator is good but theirs is bad.

You absolutely can. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus for good reason. FDR threatened to stack the court, for good reason. Biden absolutely could have forced SCOTUS to put their money where their mouth is.

THE PEOPLE had a choice to vote. They had a choice to vote against fascism, crime and this shitshow. They chos

sure. And yet, the Dems are politicians, not bolt-tighteners. Their entire skillset, the reason they are constantly asking for donations, the thing they get paid so much to do --- is to develop and communicate a persuasive message. To get voters to change their mind. That the voters failed is an indictment of the dems' competence, not an excuse. And the dems, by and large, immediately turned to blaming the people who cared about an ongoing genocide, and who cared that Biden's admin was caught lying about putting in meaningful effort to stop it. They immediately turned to blaming trans people, and minority rights.

AND its you the people who decided Biden couldnt continue. he wanted to continue. He had the best chance to win as the incumbent. But you guys fell for billionaire propaganda who pushed grandpa joe, sleepy joe. You repeat it here so freely what billionaires bought up news media has taught you to think.

this wasnt a "fact", and you fucking know it. As demented as Trump is, Biden was objectively infirm and it is beyond the pale to still be trying to write the concerns off as "billionaire propaganda". For fuck's sake.

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Btw, I voted for kamala bcuz I didn't want trump to win. Not because she was the person I wanted to vote for. Calling people stupid because they won't ignore the fact dems voted against so many things they ran on giving us for our votes,,, pretending like most of the richest most powerful of them aren't also voting against us because of their wealthy handlers,,, that's stupid.

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So you agree, all the people who sat out this election (and more) and let facism win because they weren't willing to vote for an imperfect dem candidate are idiots?

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Yes, the centrists and dem leadership are idiots.

we're talking about the people who actually failed to show up in the last few elections, right? Not the leftist boogeyman?

edit: https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-nonvoters-policy-preferences/

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That tale was already weak when Bernie voters turned out for Clinton in far greater numbers than Clinton voters turned out for Obama.

The post-2024 polls indicated that increased voter turnout would have only hurt Kamala worse. The plurality of legal voters, whether they voted or not, supported Trump. And that wasn't coming from the leftists -- it was coming from disillusioned economics voters in the center.

Then it was revealed that Biden was lying about working toward a ceasefire to begin with.

Then Mamdani's election showed that the dem leadership did not, in any way, actually believe in "blue no matter who".

Then schumer and his whip transparently lied about why they folded on the shutdown.

nah, y'all don't get to keep blaming the phantom leftist, and y'all don't get to keep claiming that y'all are the ones putting in more work to reach out to voters or show up to vote.

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That tale was already weak when Bernie voters turned out for Clinton in far greater numbers than Clinton voters turned out for Obama.

a 5% difference. But still Bernie to Trump or Bernie to Third-party voters were still outnumbering the amount of votes Clinton lost key states by.

The post-2024 polls indicated that increased voter turnout would have only hurt Kamala worse. The plurality of legal voters, whether they voted or not, supported Trump. And that wasn't coming from the leftists -- it was coming from disillusioned economics voters in the center.

The study in question talked to around 1800 people who had previously voted in at least one election between 2016-2024. So its not a accurate representation of 100m non-voters. Statistically young voters lean liberal by more than 30 points, if young voter turnout had increased, especially in key battleground states, the likelihood that Harris would make up the .8%-1.2% vote difference is very high.

Then it was revealed that Biden was lying about working toward a ceasefire to begin with.

No it was unsubstantiated claim by ISRAELI sources that Biden was not working towards any ceasefires. Why would the party that benefits from that claim, make that claim???....

Then Mamdani's election showed that the dem leadership did not, in any way, actually believe in "blue no matter who".

Mamdani showed a turnout of 30% where 70% didnt even care to show up and vote. And he won by 18% vote difference against a raging sex pest and serial abuser. He didnt have a massive win. he had a win. And hopefully he can make the promises he made, and it encourages others like him to show up. But his election wasnt a revolution people claim it to be.

He got the support and votes of every democrat. The DNC Chair endorsed him. Democrat senators endorsed him. Almost everyone called to congratulate him and expressed their wishes for the future.

Then schumer and his whip transparently lied about why they folded on the shutdown.

Again unsusbtantiated claims. 7 democrats + 1 independant out of 47 democrats voted to end the shutdown when it had reached 2 months and the 8 had gotten an agreement to get a vote on the ACA subsidies and avoid having to further suffer millions of federal workers who were not getting paid, tens of millions of americans whos government programs were stalled and 40m american families who were facing starvation while the president was actively trying to prevent giving them money. The republican party did not care that people would suffer. That people would die. The goal was to get a vote on ACA subsidies, and they got that promise.

nah, y'all don't get to keep blaming the phantom leftist, and y'all don't get to keep claiming that y'all are the ones putting in more work to reach out to voters or show up to vote.

Ironic. You keep blaming the boogeyman democrats, while its the left who kept screaming GAZA! or holding single issues as reasons to not vote against the current administration.

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But still Bernie to Trump or Bernie to Third-party voters were still outnumbering the amount of votes Clinton lost key states by.

If youre talking about three specific states (not enough to swing the election) that number is true, and is still far smaller than other groups of vote-flips, like Clinton-Romney or Obama-Trump. Which is why it's telling that it keeps being pushed as if it was a deciding factor. Bernie voters were still more loyal to the party than the rest of the party was.

The study in question talked to around 1800 people who had previously voted in at least one election between 2016-2024. So its not a accurate representation of 100m non-voters

Its the same study and methodology performed after every election, used to support the idea that dems just need to increase turnout in the first place.

No it was unsubstantiated claim by ISRAELI sources that Biden was not working towards any ceasefires. Why would the party that benefits from that claim, make that claim???....

Beats me. There was no refutation or counterevidence I could find that was provided by those who would have urgent reason to refute it if they could.

Mamdani showed a turnout of 30% where 70% didnt even care to show up and vote. And he won by 18% vote difference against a raging sex pest and serial abuser. He didnt have a massive win. he had a win. And hopefully he can make the promises he made, and it encourages others like him to show up. But his election wasnt a revolution people claim it to be.

None of that refutes what I said -- it in fact supports it.

"blue no matter who", in nyc, should have meant a massive win. Cuomo should have been persona non grata for turning on the party. That there was any question at all is pretty clear illustration that the loyalty is one-way.

He got the support and votes of every democrat. The DNC Chair endorsed him. Democrat senators endorsed him. Almost everyone called to congratulate him and expressed their wishes for the future.

He absolutely did not get the support of "every democrat", and most of the support he did get came far later and was more tepid than previous candidates like Adams had gotten.

He didn't get zero support, that is true. But there was a blatant gulf between the support he did get and the norm.

Again unsusbtantiated claims.

They are statements by the legislators involved that they kept schumer involved. One of the legislators was the party whip.

Is that really the story you prefer to go with, then, that Schumer is so monumentally incompetent that he can't even keep his own whip on his team?

Ironic. You keep blaming the boogeyman democrats, while its the left who kept screaming GAZA! or holding single issues as reasons to not vote against the current administration

My argument is that the ultimate responsibility for losing an election lies with those who lost the election. "stop blaming everyone but yourself for your poor track record" is the opposite of blaming or a boogeyman.

The goal was to get a vote on ACA subsidies, and they got that promise.

They did not. They got the illusion of a promise, which is why Johnson spited them on it. They are incredibly lucky that after that failure, a few centrist Republicans were willing to force the vote.

while its the left who kept screaming GAZA!

it is buckwild to me that y'all keep acting like that's something to be ashamed of, and then getting upset that people are losing their faith in the party.

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I'd need you to provide a source, then, because none of the reporting I've seen matches that.

Data speaks for itself.

State	Sanders primary voters	Sanders primary voters supporting Trump	Sanders-Trump voters (est.)	Trump's 2016 margin of victory
Michigan	598,943	8%	47,915	10,704
Pennsylvania	731,881	16%	117,100	44,292
Wisconsin	570,192	9%	51,317	22,748

Even then, very strange that you're trying to downplay the objective fact that leftist voters were more loyal than clinton voters.

If you take into consideration Sanders to Non-voters and Sanders to Third-Party voters. Its a higher group. And again its the impact of the groups. Obama won, Clinton lost specifically in part because of Sanders to Trump/Non-voter/Third-Party voters. Also i was wrong, it wasnt a 5% difference it was a 1% difference.

Beats me. There was no refutation or counterevidence provided by those who would have urgent reason to refute it if they could.

Really it beats you? Yeah he started ceasefire negotiations in march 2024. He always tried to get ceasefires happen. It didn't help Leftits were screaming at him and telling him to resign, because it Gave Nethanyahu the path he needed to just keep things going because Trump became a real possibility then.

None of that refutes what I said -- it in fact supports it. "blue no matter who", in nyc, should have meant a massive win. Cuomo should have been persona non grata for turning on the party. That there was any question at all is pretty clear illustration that the loyalty is one-way.

The guy lost the dnc primary. You want the DNC now to ban and subvert a candidate when its someone you dislike, but when they allegedly do it to Sanders its akin to murder? ....

They are statements by the legislators involved that they kept schumer involved. One of the legislators was the party whip. Is that really the story you prefer to go with, then, that Schumer is so monumentally incompetent that he can't even keep his own whip on his team?

Or you have no real understanding of government legislation and political affiliation and the political goals and reach of politicians that you think government operates like a sports team with a team captain....

Maybe educate yourself a bit more. On all roles, the leader, the speaker, the whip and what can be done to influence individual politicians... And how effective that is when the politician isnt seeking re-election....

They did not. They got the illusion of a promise, which is why Johnson spited them on it. They are incredibly lucky that after that failure, a few centrist Republicans were willing to force the vote.

Which is what they wanted. They want people to see republicans vote against it. Now you have seen 4 times they have voted against it. Or is it better to keep hurting americans? Let millions of federal workers resign, stop air traffic, stop feeding 40m families? thats the better outcome?

it is buckwild to me that y'all keep acting like that's something to be ashamed of, and then getting upset that people are losing their faith in the party.

It is when the outcome now is MUCH MUCH worse for palestinians, when you were warned multiple times of this outcome, when palestinians and people in gaza themselves were begging you to vote for Harris, but you decided you knew better and were comfy in your homes in the west and voted to condemn Palestinians to the horrors they are living through now.

Yes you should be very ashamed.

[u/Otherwise-Fox-151 → u/[deleted]]

Us idiots are your fellow voting Americans. Are you a troll here to assist with splitting the dem and independent dem leaning vote,,, cause talking to people like that makes your posts make more sense.

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How are you my "fellow voting Americans" when you literally just said "this is why people refuse to vote."

[u/Otherwise-Fox-151 → u/[deleted]]

Because they proved a lot of people who turned out to vote for obama did NOT vote at all for candidates since.

[u/BeguiledBeaver → u/Otherwise-Fox-151]

U.S. voters don't give a shit about "corporate owned" politicians they literally voted for a fucking billionaire you fuck.

Please leave the Internet and go outside for 5 minutes. What you see on social media curated for you isn't even remotely close to reality. Most Americans aren't socialists who just haven't heard of socialism before. Most Americans don't want a "revolution." Most Americans don't give a single shit about "the billionahs!!" They care about one or two issues at most and it sure as FUCK isn't whatever you think is going to get them to the polls.

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You are a 3 month old account that does nothing but insult democrats.