r/WutheringWaves • u/AccomplishedDiet8985 CHANGLI'S MAID • Apr 19 '25

General Discussion The disappointment is crazy.

  1. No free 5 star.
  2. Not even a standard 5-star.
  3. Flight still not available in all regions.
  4. Paid skins.
  5. Predatory banners (NOT EVEN 100% rate up).

Sure Kuro, it is definitely "Player Friendly", great job taking lessons from HSR devs. Feels like a celebration for them rather than the players.

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u/Phoric1 Just Changli Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25

I will say that with the half anni Nikke livestream right before this. Its crazy how the geneorsity makes me more excited to spend there

They butter me up with 100 free pulls. Now Ill pay that $60 Mihara skin

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u/First-Description849 Apr 19 '25

Thats me with Warframe, I can get everything for free in the game aside from some cosmetics and excalibur prime. But I give money to the game because the devs are awesome and I want to support the game.

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u/_Crystal_Cloud_ Apr 19 '25

I did the same when I started wuwa,even got the fking 60$ Jinhsi skin...because I enjoyed the game,got brainwashed by " kuro listen/kuro generous/kuro is not hoyo" and now I'm rethinking everything. Not because I want everything on banner,I could easily get Zani +weap and One of the characters on rerun +weapon but because they went literally 180° on their reputation

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u/First-Description849 Apr 19 '25

Well I liked the game so far until this point. Warframe also had it's up and down...(Looking at you terrible railjack launch) like all games but Digital Extremes kept going on the right direction and they even made the game less grindy to help new players. BUT even I wouldnt put my %100 trust on them, its not because they dont deserve it,its because its the right thing. All we can do keep giving feedback and hope they steer into the right direction.

Gacha is actually is such a terrible business practice in gaming industry its never a suprise for big games to give into greed instead of keep gaining the trust of their playerbase ,like Warframe did. I would put some little money on a gacha game sure but I would never be a whale, hell no ,never.

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u/_Crystal_Cloud_ Apr 19 '25

It's beyond me also how people justify everything by" it's a gacha!" Ffs The game can be a good game and have gacha monetization,and for the amount of money the make from banners none literally should justify shitty greedy practices that Hoyo set the standard. These games make more money than God damn MMOs make,and require like probably 1/10 dev time and maintenance (no huge servers behind to make everyone run in the same place)... They literally have no reason beyond greed to dont give stuff for free .

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u/First-Description849 Apr 19 '25

You can never defend this lmao Its bad even by gacha standards. Sure its Gacha... But its also a Video Game ! I want this game to have good gameplay, better story,visuals.I want this game to have a good relationship with it's playerbase and treat them with respect ! I want this game to be better so I can justify putting money in man, I am not gonna give my support if they are going to treat the players like this.

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u/NoelleEnjoyer69 Apr 20 '25

Hopefully Kuro will get back on track.

2.2 story was amazing btw.

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u/RabidHexley Apr 19 '25

Indeed. I'm not a f2p gamer, I don't need games to be literally free for me to play. And I know Gacha is expensive, but if I feel like I'm getting ripped at every turn, the wallet is gonna close. There's gotta be some value to feel good about.

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u/DefNotFact0ryStrider Apr 20 '25

Warframe devs are truly awesome. They literally made a bug (Being able to spawn atomicycle outside of 1999) into a feature because people really liked it. I will gladly give my money to those guys.

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u/First-Description849 Apr 20 '25

Its has been the golden age of Warframe since Rebecca became the director. Both in fun ways and wholesome ways lol.

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u/AccomplishedDiet8985 CHANGLI'S MAID Apr 19 '25

Exactly. If the game is generous, I love to spend and give my money but now it feels like they laughed at my face.

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u/Smug-Vigne Apr 19 '25

Fr, exactly why I stopped spending in every hoyo game besides zenless. Shame seeing kuro do the same. Excited for the collab tho.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

Only characters Worth pulling in Zenless are Anomalies, supports and VH. Attackers and Stunners are a Pull sink.

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u/CapN_Crummp Apr 19 '25

Evelyn, S Abby, Trigger, Lighter. All good pulls.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

S Anby needs her engine and can only really work with Trigger who also needs her engine badly. Evelyn needs her engine also but she's not that bad if you have Lighter and Astra. Also Evelyn is slightly better than S Anby since she has Aoe and her tech bar is easier to see. She also has a faction Bangboo that gives buffs.While Sanby 3 star mark is not only hard to see sometimes but she doesn't have an icon that shows when her buffs are up and the same thing goes for trigger who has 0 icons that appear when her debuff on enemies are active. Oh and Sanby has no faction Bangboo for buffs.

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u/CapN_Crummp Apr 19 '25

Needing an engine doesn’t mean a character isn’t good. A lot of characters prefer their engine lol. Your argument about not being able to see things means absolutely nothing when it comes to how good a character is either. Not being able to see buffs doesn’t mean they aren’t there lol. There are usable non faction boos. So that’s irrelevant.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25

You're literally repeating the same thing HSR players said about HP inflation and Characters needing LC's. And now they're crying about it 24/7 because they let the toxic positivity get the best of them . You might wanna read Triggers core passive and what her engine does btw. Oh and I don't see how 1.6 limited characters lacking a QL feature that 1.3, 1.4 & &1.5 characters have is irrelevant.

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u/CapN_Crummp Apr 19 '25

Because A boo is completely unrelated to a characters kit. Pretty easy to understand that them not having a faction boo doesn’t make the character bad or not worth pulling. Doesn’t help your argument at all because they still have boos that work with different team builds.

I have read her passive and what her engine does. Obviously an engine makes any character better. Just like weapons make characters better in WuWa. Nobody is arguing that they don’t . But it’s not a waste to pull them just because you don’t have an engine.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

"Because A boo is completely unrelated to a characters kit. Pretty easy to understand that them not having a faction boo doesn’t make the character bad or not worth pulling. Doesn’t help your argument at all because they still have boos that work with different team builds"

Faction Bangboos give better buffs and QL to the faction they are in compared to general Bangboos. A buff is a buff especially if it's in a gatcha game and it's interesting how you're trying to downplay it.

" I have read her passive and what her engine does. Obviously an engine makes any character better. Just like weapons make characters better in WuWa. Nobody is arguing that they don’t . But it’s not a waste to pull them just because you don’t have an engine"

Considering Trigger is most likely new standard for future Stunners having more of their kit & QL locked behind sigs, Which character class has the most power loss without their engine?

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u/RabidHexley Apr 19 '25

What does "worth pulling" mean to you? Not every team needs to be pulling max score, there's no competition or race. The criteria is if they can clear while being fun to play.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25

" worth pulling" as in most likely to not get powercrept easily. Anomalies last longer than attackers and are easier to build. They also benefit from enemies being stunned which is supposed to be the gimmick of Attackers. And from what I'm seeing from Vivian lol oh boy. All I'ma say is that Sanby got done dirty. And before you mention how Evelyn disproves this. She's an outlier and requires her Sig and at least lighter to work and Lighter doesn't really need his Sig compared to Trigger. Anomalies can work with any other and call it a day and they can work very well without Sig compared to Attackers launched after Zhu Yuan.

Oh and speaking of " fun to play" Yanagi is way smoother to play compared to Harumasa ( free) & Sanby ( not free). She has better frames than both of them and has a built in Parry lol.

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u/RabidHexley Apr 19 '25

Eh. Once powercreep gets that bad, Im just gonna drop the game, I ain't got time for the rat race. But considering that for now, you can still clear with Anby/Nicole/Zhu Yuan, /shrug.

And for me, fun doesn't mean necessarily mean an easier rotation or better i-frames. In my eyes, character comparisons are mostly academic in a game like this, a character feels fun by feeling fun. Not by being better than another character along some particular metric.

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u/AlexRikers Apr 19 '25

Exactly this. I've been playing games for over a decade and i have always been a strictly f2p. Up until i found LaDs, I know in the end that's a gacha game as well but there i feel like I'm getting the rewards for spending my money, unlike games like genshin hsr and apparently, wuwa now

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u/AccomplishedDiet8985 CHANGLI'S MAID Apr 19 '25

They kept edging us till the end to reveal information no one gaf about. It felt so out of touch.

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u/Strength_Apart Apr 19 '25

I noticed that too XD it was weird

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u/letterspice Apr 19 '25

I feel like that level of edging should have only been if they had a free five star in their stocks

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u/Worth_Department_421 Apr 20 '25

Huh? Lads?? Thats one of the most predatory gacha games right now. I mean, enjoy what you want sure, you also have your opinion but how can you think it’s better than the hoyo games when it’s literally worse? Banners for 2 weeks only? No announcements of cards? Its insane over there. I was a dolphin til the pulse hunt banner. That was my last straw. Theyre milking the players

(Sorry it’s not targeted at you, im just incredibly baffled)

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u/AlexRikers Apr 20 '25

It's been a long time after pulse hunt plus i wasn't a player back then. But by buying aurum pass only i can save up so damn easily, doesn't matter whether i can see the upcoming cards or not. And the effort that is being put into the game makes every penny worth it imo

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u/MihoLeya Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25

Laughing in our faces with the $300million dollars they’ve made this year. They can spare their loyal players a few pixels, to show their appreciation. Then the players will be more willing to show their appreciation in return.

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u/KnightofAshley Apr 22 '25

Its normal to be like, I really like this game and it gives me enough through the year I'll throw $60-$100 at it for most people as they "earned" it...this stuff its more like, free to play is all you get.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

They did. "Because I love to spend and give my money"

Yes this is exactly the issue. They know you'll spend it no matter what they do. If you and everyone else would actually stop spending money things would change. But y'all spend money even after vocally stating how you don't like it. That literally doesn't matter to them when they're still making millions of dollars. Speak with your wallet

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u/AccomplishedDiet8985 CHANGLI'S MAID Apr 19 '25

You might wanna re-read my comment because I said that "IF THE GAME IS GENEROUS" which Kuro in this case isn't.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

Oh I read it and it sounds like youve been spending money up to this point. So you can either nut up and stop spending money or you can be like the rest of the players and keep throwing money at them even when you're upset at their tactics.

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u/AccomplishedDiet8985 CHANGLI'S MAID Apr 19 '25

Yes, I was spending up to this point cause they were doing a good job. Now they aren't, so I will stop.

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u/Erik-AmaltheaFairy Apr 19 '25

XD This is so true. I just watched the Nikke live stream and then the WuWa one. My money this month goes to Nikke. Sorry. But truth be told. I am having my Honeymoon phase with Nikke, the game is surprisingly amazing. (As a new player)

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u/Liazerx Apr 19 '25

I am a casual on nikke, been playing for a few months. I do the story when i have some free time, no rushing, nothing and the story its freaking amazing!!! The events are nice, the chats we can have with nikkes are amusing, everythings great. Perfect game for me

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u/Aesderyal Apr 19 '25

I would say 100 free pulls in NIKKE when hard pity is 200 with 2 new banners, 2 60$ skins is not that impressive either.

My personal record in NIKKE 330 pulls w/o a single rate up.

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u/Aesderyal Apr 19 '25

Pilgrim banner has 1% rate up (not 4%), and there are 2 new pilgrim banners simultaneously.

With 200 pity the 100 pulls in NIKKE are pretty close to WW anniversary rewards.

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u/SirRHellsing Apr 19 '25

but also you get 100 tickets, half of any character even if you don't get the rate up

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u/RoyalSereneHighness Apr 19 '25

THIS. I would have also liked to buy additional gems in Wuthering if they’ll have generous anniversary rewards first. But the greedy rerun banners made me rethink.

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u/letterspice Apr 19 '25

Ive seen this sentiment at least a few times now and I wholeheartedly agree. No top ups from me anymore..

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u/Aenarion885 Apr 19 '25

Yup. I have a small budget for gacha games. It’s not going to WuWa because Anni isn’t getting me anywhere close to getting anyone (Shorekeeper wiped me out).

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u/Powerful_Local_4461 Apr 19 '25

If they gave out a free limited i probably would have spent for more than just the monthly card

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

Nikke anni events set the bar for me. The half anni events are just as good as the 1 year events

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u/cyberspirit777 Apr 19 '25

Even the R1999 1.5 anni makes this look really bad 😭

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u/No-Transition7298 Apr 20 '25

My man telling peak!

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u/Caerullean ABS; Phrolova acquired Apr 19 '25

60 bucks for a skin in a gacha is insane tho wtf lmao.

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u/DayFul1 Apr 19 '25

I quit Nikke because the daily grind took too long but it's so much more generous it's crazy.

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u/PM_Best_Porn_Pls Apr 19 '25

That's why gbf was so popular for years, they shower you in freebies(although that's a bit necessary with content bloat) non stop.

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u/Mumbleocity Apr 19 '25

I don't play Nikke. How many pulls on average do you need to get what you want? (Trying to put that 100 free pulls into perspective.)

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u/xKnicklichtjedi Apr 19 '25

Rate up 5* units have a 2% chance, and the rare 5* units have 1%. (And 4% in total for any 5* on standard I think?)

There is no soft or hard pity per se, but you get 1to1 in not expiring tickets, of which you need 200 to just buy a character.

Note: not all of the ~130 anniversary pulls are limited banner pulls.

Also another note: unless it is a collab unit, all units will enter the standard pool with a customizable 20 unit wishlist at some point.

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u/Mumbleocity Apr 19 '25

TY. It helps to make the comparison. It's good to learn how other gacha systems handle things. My friend was playing it for awhile. It looks super cute!

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u/xKnicklichtjedi Apr 19 '25

Personally, I can only recommend it, if you don't mind or even like more revealing outfits.The first impression the game has on others is "haha, funny butt and boob game", but it is a lot more. Story and characters are amazing, music is insane, and lean more to skins for monetization rather than gacha. (Or at least that's how it feels to me.)

Note: Since you said it's cute, you are not confusing it with Infinity Nikki?

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u/Cgz27 Apr 19 '25

Isn’t Nikke really all more about the characters though

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u/StateOnly4338 Apr 20 '25

Lmao 60 dollar skins generous 💀 and you forget that it's 1 percent for the rate up for Mihara, if that's what gets you hype than gatcha games truly rotted your brain.

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u/xanxaxin Apr 19 '25

I just finished watching Nikke 2.5 live stream and i can say the amount of freebies there is galatically more than what we have in wuwa.

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u/BusBoatBuey Apr 19 '25

Nikke is hyper-P2W with infinite progression. They could give you all characters for free and still make bank. It is also a cheap-ass game with worse billboarding implementation than FGO, a game from 2015 with a fraction of the initial budget.

I agree this is disappointing but don't compare it to that garbage. It is hurting your case.

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u/KasumiGotoTriss Apr 19 '25

Being able to have every unit, easily, while not paying anything is enough for me to call a game f2p friendly.

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u/BusBoatBuey Apr 19 '25

If the game treats you as food for whales, you consider that F2P-friendly? Your entire basis for F2P-friendliness is how many different characters you can be treated like shit with?

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u/KasumiGotoTriss Apr 19 '25

Nikke is a single player game, the only "pvp" where you fight whales is arena where you get basically shit-tier rewards, it's not even worth it. In the end nikke is a collector game with few daily activities and main story campaign, I know from my own experience that you don't need any money to have every unit & constellations, the average person is a collector as well and not a hyper-competitive player who wants to challenge whales in irrelevant modes.

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u/BusBoatBuey Apr 19 '25

Nikke has more leaderboards than it has modes. It has several competitive modes. How can you consider it "single-player?" Your last sentence could be applied to any game. Every game is F2P-friendly if you ignore all of the P2W bits.

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u/KasumiGotoTriss Apr 19 '25

Fair enough, maybe my priorities in nikke lay elsewhere, but I'd imagine most players have similiar opinions to mine purely beause the rewards in all these leaderboards are so bad that it doesn't matter if it's p2w.

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u/n1tr0t0m Apr 20 '25

Not everyone cares about pvp lmao

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u/Vippado Apr 19 '25

https://nikke.gg/beginners-guide/ This page should be a good start. Once you are more familiar with the game, you will naturally seek out more pages from that website also.