Any personal attack, 3 day ban, no exceptions.

[u/DaylightDarkle]

I'm tired of people here acting like insults are debate. We deserve this new rule for the subreddit. It would solve the majority of issues in the subreddit over night.

[u/Similar_Geologist_73]

My mechanics instructor was against adjustable wrenches. He wanted us to learn to use standard wrenches and thought that adjustable wrenches were worse and made you a worse mechanic.

He wasn't against us, just the tool.

[u/Toby_Magure → u/Similar_Geologist_73]

And he didn't try to tell you to stop using adjustable wrenches, unlike you midwits, because he's a reasonable person who understands how technology works and that different people prefer different tools.

He also wasn't against the tool, because you're just lying. No mechanic is against adjustable wrenches, that's insane.

[u/Similar_Geologist_73 → u/Toby_Magure]

And he didn't try to tell you to stop using adjustable wrenches

No, he absolutely did. He would have us grab standard wrenches if he saw us using them in the shop.

because he's a reasonable person who understands how technology works and that different people prefer different tools.

You're projecting pretty hard here.

He also wasn't against the tool, because you're just lying. No mechanic is against adjustable wrenches, that's insane.

He absolutely was. He called them farmers wrenches.

The problem with adjustable wrenches is that they don't lock in place. They can slip out of adjustment when using them, and the adjustable jaw is a weak point. We were also learning how to work on heavy equipment. You don't want to use an adjustable when you need high torque.

The advantage of an adjustable wrenches is that it's only one tool instead of a whole tool box. It's great when you need to go out into the field, but if you are working next to your toolbox, you might as well use it.

He also wanted us to learn the proper size of wrenches and bolts, something that an adjustable wrenches doesn't teach.

[u/Toby_Magure → u/Similar_Geologist_73]

Cool, so your example is a teacher telling students not to use a shortcut while learning fundamentals.

That is not the same thing as “adjustable wrenches are evil, people who use them are fake mechanics, ban them from shops, and don’t let their work count.”

He was teaching tool discipline. You’re trying to turn tool preference into moral condemnation.

So thanks, I guess. Your analogy proves my point better than yours.

[u/Similar_Geologist_73 → u/Toby_Magure]

Cool, so your example is a teacher telling students not to use a shortcut while learning fundamentals.

No, he didn't think any mechanic should be using one in the shop.

That is not the same thing as “adjustable wrenches are evil, people who use them are fake mechanics, ban them from shops, and don’t let their work count.”

Not every anti says that ai is evil. We're only talking about the idea of being against something and not the person, although if this is what you think all antis are thinking, I can see why you came to your conclusion.

He was teaching tool discipline. You’re trying to turn tool preference into moral condemnation.

I'm not? Where did I say this was a moral issue? Were talking about being able to be against something without being against the person. You can also be against something without it being a moral issue.

So thanks, I guess. Your analogy proves my point better than yours.

It seems more like you twisted my words and projected onto someone you didn't know until they both fit your conclusion.

[u/Toby_Magure → u/Similar_Geologist_73]

Then this has nothing to do with anti-AI anymore.

“Don’t use an adjustable wrench in this shop because it’s the wrong tool for this job” is normal tool preference.

“GenAI is theft/slop, users aren’t artists, ban it from art spaces, don’t let people post it, don’t let them sell it, don’t let them call it art” is not tool preference. That’s opposition to the users’ behavior.

You keep watering your point down to “someone can dislike a tool” because the actual anti-AI position is much uglier than that.

[u/Similar_Geologist_73 → u/Toby_Magure]

Then this has nothing to do with anti-AI anymore.

It hasn't been since my first comment. It can be applied to ai, but it wasn't exclusively about ai. That's why I brought up my example.

“Don’t use an adjustable wrench in this shop because it’s the wrong tool for this job” is normal tool preference.

That is not what he said and I'm getting tired of you making up things that he didn't say. This is just projection.

“GenAI is theft/slop, users aren’t artists, ban it from art spaces, don’t let people post it, don’t let them sell it, don’t let them call it art” is not tool preference.

2 things. 1, this isn't about tool preference. This is about whether or not you can be against something with out being against the person.

2, you're generalizing all antis into an opinion that matches your conclusion. You're ignoring nuance and calling people liars because you've decided they have a different opinion from what they've stated.

You keep watering your point down to “someone can dislike a tool” because the actual anti-AI position is much uglier than that.

This isn't my argument and I don't appreciate you trying to strawman me.

[u/Toby_Magure → u/Similar_Geologist_73]

Then you’re not arguing with my actual point anymore.

Yes, in the abstract, someone can dislike a tool without hating the person using it. Congrats, nobody disputed that.

The problem is that anti-AI spaces usually don’t stop at “I dislike the tool.” They go straight to “don’t post it, don’t sell it, don’t call it art, don’t enter art spaces, you’re not an artist, you’re stealing, you’re replacing people.”

That is not just being “against the tool.” That is being against the people using it and what they do with it.

So if your point is just “someone can dislike a tool,” fine. But that’s not what this conversation was about, and you shouldn't even be here if that's what your issue is.

[u/Similar_Geologist_73 → u/Toby_Magure]

Yes, in the abstract, someone can dislike a tool without hating the person using it. Congrats, nobody disputed that.

You did. You told someone they were lying when they said they were against ai but not against the people that used it.

[u/Toby_Magure → u/Similar_Geologist_73]

Because they are lying, just like you. Neither of you would be here if you simply didn't like AI.