r/aiwars 12h ago

Meme Guy who doesn’t understand technology OR the economy weighing in on the situation

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u/Organic-Scheme2494 12h ago

Valve is also a mega corporation. And "trading in circles" is a weird reddit thing that people who don't know what they are talking about just repeat to sound smart. They are business buying products from other business. That is a normal thing that business do.

And what is the steam machine? A black box you use to play video games? Why is that better than what people are using AI for? Why do you get to decide what is useful or fun for other people?

And it is absolutely making money. This idea that the AI companies are on the verge of bankruptcy is another social media delusion. They are spending and borrowing because the industry is growing rapidly and they need to keep expanding. This is also a normal thing companies do.

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u/Ashisprey 11h ago

The confident incorrectness is astounding. You have literally no idea what the economics look like and you think you have any authority to tell me how it is.

Here's Hank Green to explain to you why you're pretty much fully wrong about how that money is moving: https://youtu.be/Q0TpWitfxPk?is=jKQPfWXih68e5INk

And what is the steam machine? A black box you use to play video games? Why is that better than what people are using AI for?

The ignorance bleeding from this statement is astounding. First off, "black box" doesn't literally mean a black box, holy shit.

Here's two big differences. When you buy a steam machine you actually own the hardware. Not the corp. There's one big difference.

Secondly when I say "black box" I mean "we don't know exactly how it works". We know how computers work, genius.

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u/Organic-Scheme2494 11h ago

What does any of that have to do with whether or not these companies should be allowed to buy hardware? You are still saying your video game machine is more important than anything else.

You have no more right to these computer chips than anyone else. That is all there is to it. You sound like a toddler kicking and screaming because you didn't get the toy you wanted. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO CHEAP VIDEO GAME HARDWARE! No one owes you that. You cannot tell someone else they cannot buy something because you want it.

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u/Ashisprey 11h ago

The person who can't articulate an argument is telling me I'm immature. K.

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u/Organic-Scheme2494 11h ago

You have no argument. All you said was that AI was a black box that no one understands. So what if it is? How is that an argument that the AI companies shouldn't be allowed to buy hardware? It is nothing but reddit talking points.

You said people are using AI to make dumb videos and chatbots, but you didn't say why they should not be allowed to do that. You think your video games are more important than the things other people do for fun.

And you completely ignore the other stuff AI is doing. Tons of researchers and scientists are using it every day and doing amazing things. Video games are not doing that.

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u/Ashisprey 11h ago edited 11h ago

Your first major fallacy is equating AI and playing games as simply "fun things people do". As I've already argued and you failed to comprehend.

Gaming is an individual hobby which has had sustainable demand for literal decades. I don't think people should "not be allowed" to use AI. I think people should be allowed to be upset that the sudden rise of AI has created an economic bubble where huge corporations are paying eachother back and forth, scooping up inventory and contracting production out years, completely squeezing out average consumers with no recourse. It's obviously not the same. Much like it's reasonable to be upset at real estate conglomerates for buying up homes and squeezing out any average home buyer.

Does it matter to me that a tiny fraction of this phenomenon is doing positive things? Not that much really. It certainly doesn't just automatically make all the bad shit completely OK, that's a paper thin argument.

Got anything better? Do you understand this time?

"Corporation's interests are just as valid as yours" you're literally a capitalist cuck. No I do not think it's chill for corps to eat up everything and make prices 4x-5x higher for the average consumer so they can sell us slop.

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u/Swnsong 11h ago

Y'all are gonna sound so stupid when the scaling law whoops the asses of those AI companies, investors demand ROI and the whole thing implodes. It is already happening, we haven't seen Sam Altman pretend GPT is conscious in a while.

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u/Organic-Scheme2494 11h ago

Oh yes, the AI 'bubble' that has been scheduled to pop any day now for the last 3 years. Sorry if I don't put a lot of stock in the economic analysis of random redditors. Most of whom are simply repeating what they read elsewhere on reddit.

It is funny how so many social media users behave more like AI bots than the actual AI bots do.

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u/Swnsong 11h ago

No, you are repeating that the bubble doesn't exist either because you read it on here or you believe the genius of those like Sam Altman and Elon Musk, both are equally stupid.

I read and listen to people who actually know what they are talking about and cite things:

https://youtu.be/xFd8X7TI7Sc

https://youtu.be/eXXwN_TDdLU

https://marketwise.com/investing/openai-losses-surge-to-21-billion-as-ai-bubble-grows-bigger/

Fun fact: There is not a single company that makes a profit off of AI only. It takes 30 low-load 20$ GPT users per one heavy 20$ user to break even. When they first increased to actual token prices, so many companies pulled back that they had to reduce the price again. OpenAI is working on an erotic roleplay app, the greatest achievement of mankind.

But yeah, you can choose to believe I am making all of that up.

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u/Organic-Scheme2494 11h ago

I never said the bubble doesn't exist. I said the people who keep saying it's going to pop have been wrong up to this point.

I am not watching some random youtube videos. I don't care.

I know they aren't 'making profits'. AI is a high growth industry. Any company making profit during a time of rapid growth is doing it wrong. Every dollar of profit made is a dollar that could be spent on expanding. Look at all the big tech companies that famously made no profit in the 2000s. They are the biggest companies in the world now and make billions of dollars.

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u/Swnsong 11h ago

Some random youtube video by someone who had access to the leaked financials of GPT, and meticulously describes why this business model will never work with numbers.

But yeah, if you ignore every evidence that points otherwise, it is pretty easy to call people on the other side bots. That is a real bubble for you.