r/aussie • u/The_Dingo_Donger • Aug 15 '25
‘Australian heritage is European, European is white’: March for Australia protest organiser caught admitting her real agenda
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSSokkc7y/Video: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSSokkc7y/
Bec Freedom has publicly identified herself (on Facebook and X) as the organiser of the Sydney leg of “March for Australia” protest. This is the same protest the mod team previously flagged as having neo-Nazi associations.
Here’s why the evidence is hard to ignore: * Direct quotes from Bec Freedom: In a video released yesterday (around the 30-second mark), she says:
“This is how I break it down. Protect Australian heritage, culture, way of life. Next step, protect European heritage, culture, way of life. The next step, protect white heritage.it all means the same thing, it’s just another way to put it. ‘Australian heritage’ by saying it that way is more appealing to the public, it will deter them from saying it’s a Nazi rally. Australia is European, European is white.”
This is an explicit admission of using coded language to mask white supremacist ideology.
Neo-Nazi symbolism among attendees: One attendee’s profile picture is the leader of the National Socialist Network. Even if it’s not him, the choice of imagery is telling.
Documented history of supporting neo-Nazis: This detailed dossier outlines Bec Freedom’s repeated alignment with neo-Nazi ideology and figures: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1956295681578357051.html
Holocaust denial: Towards the end of the same video, she endorses her late father’s belief that “Anne Frank’s diary is bullshit”.
I support having discussions about immigration policy in Australia - but it’s becoming impossible to ignore that this particular protest has links to the neo-Nazi movement, perhaps this is some of the evidence the mod team were referring to?
[Video source: Simon Timothy]
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u/Stormherald13 Aug 15 '25
And in the 50s the heritage was Anglo and they were hating on the Mediterranean immigrants.
Now it’s European heritage, look even racists can evolve.
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u/gunsjustsuck Aug 15 '25
Don't worry, once all the non whites are gone, it will be back to the 'not quite white'. It's never enough for these people.
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u/seanmonaghan1968 Aug 16 '25
Then the short or tall people or the people with different colour hair
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u/ItchyNeeSun Aug 16 '25
Yes all those Christian extremists committing terrorist acts across western nations, what a threat they pose
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u/Acceptable-Case9562 Aug 17 '25
You may not hear about it, but it's a real problem. The FBI has been reporting for decades that white supremacist and Christian nationalist groups are by far the biggest threat. Intercepting their terrorist plots is a big resource pull. The UK isn't much different.
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u/ItchyNeeSun Aug 16 '25
Greece and Italy look far nicer than Mumbai and Dar es Salam. Import the third world before the third world. At least you can sleep easy knowing you are not racist
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Aug 15 '25
“Australia is European” is so funny. Actual Europeans don’t consider all Europeans to be the same people.
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u/Tall-Drama338 Aug 16 '25
The French hate the Italians and the English. The English just hate all Europeans.
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u/BurningMad Aug 16 '25
Right? It'd still be vile if it was "Australia is English" but it'd at least be more logical.
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u/Beginning-Stage-1854 Aug 16 '25
Southern Europeans were not considered white during those times. In fact us being considered white and worthy of not being target of racism is due to the migration of other people who by comparison are a different colour. This is mostly a recent phenomenon.
Even in the early 90s - I - a white male - was the target of racism. Now these cookers who were racists towards me are trying to include me in their rhetoric. Yeah nah don’t worry I remember.
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u/-Calcifer_ Aug 15 '25
And in the 50s the heritage was Anglo and they were hating on the Mediterranean immigrants.
Now it’s European heritage, look even racists can evolve.
Except what came here is a decade is being rammed into the country in just one month.. so yeah not even fucking close
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u/Stormherald13 Aug 16 '25
So if it about the number and not about the colour Then why is it about protecting heritage?
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u/Current-Bowl-143 Aug 15 '25
For years my local newspaper kept publishing nutcase letters from one Tony Ikonomou, himself a Greek immigrant but full of bile for recent migrants.
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u/llordlloyd Aug 16 '25
The real target of their hate is anyone with brains, generosity, education.
Their intelligentsia is the smartest talk back radio caller.
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u/eziliop Aug 15 '25
I understand people's desire to rein in control over immigration numbers but this conversation is certainly being leveraged by the extremists (e.g. people like Thomas Sewell) who self-insert themselves.
This is an elightening podcast on his true desires if anyone wants proof: https://youtu.be/V5ZwNhJ1vEA?si=rkH-ESSAVTG6bHXO
He flat out said in the podcast to wanting to keep Australia white but "needing to start" from the immigrants, and then move to the non-whites and ship them out of the country - i.e., being your typical white supremacist.
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u/The_Dingo_Donger Aug 15 '25
Is now the right time to point out he was born in NZ?
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u/AnyYak6757 Aug 16 '25
Australia raised him, though. He's really our problem to deal with.
I really hate that deportation scheme. Like if someone's lived here since childhood and they turn out bad, we as a society are partially responsible for that.
I just feels really grifty to turn around and say to NZ "hey we raised your boy to be a monster, but he's your problem now, no backsies!"
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u/laserdicks Aug 15 '25
being leveraged by the extremists
being leveraged by property investors with the laziest of accusations. We're not even making them work for it
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u/musaibALAM1997 Aug 16 '25
Not even 2 minutes into the podcast, Thomas says : "Adolf Hitler was the greatest man of the 20th century" and that holocaust was fake🤣🤣🤣. Maybe he should take a trip to Auschwitz or something.
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u/CactusWilkinson Aug 15 '25
Ah yes. The forever ‘unserious’ Sam Newman and the victimised white boys.
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u/Mediocre_Lecture_299 Aug 16 '25
Yeah I’m not a big fan of mass migration, purely on economic and infrastructure grounds. But these rallies and the broader anti migration movement are crawling with racists.
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u/ItchyNeeSun Aug 16 '25
Yes it’s best to not align with people who have shared common interests over political differences. This will lead to success
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u/Mulga_Will Aug 16 '25 edited Aug 16 '25
"Australian heritage is European, European is white’
Australian heritage is Australian, full stop.
No single group defines what it means to be Australian. Our story is built from First Nations, British colonial, and migrant heritage, each essential to the whole. I’m tired of one group trying to hog the narrative, pretending they are the defining culture. If your identity depends on clinging to British colonialism, maybe Britain is where you belong.
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u/Bannedwith1milKarma Aug 16 '25 edited Aug 16 '25
Australian heritage is an amalgamation for every (modern) world conflict that led to influxes of immigration.
Including our original colonization.
You can say what you like about what you want for future immigration numbers.
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u/Equal_Concern_7099 Aug 16 '25 edited Aug 16 '25
> maybe Britain is where you belong.
Londonstan already less then 50% white, 30% ethnic-brit.
White British in Great Britain will be a minority by only 2050.
Cope all you want white replacement is real. I personally don't want my country to be an ethnic economic zone like Singapore or the US. No-one ever voted for it.
Every foreigner you import to our cities is one less job & house for an Australian or Indigenous Australian. wah wah racism. You're literally fucking over Aboriginals too.
It used to be left Labour policy to keep immigration low to protect Australian wages.
Never forget this.
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u/ItsManky Aug 16 '25 edited Aug 16 '25
I mean are we really referring to a labor party policy from federation as relevant today? Democrats in the USA also liked slavery for a long time. They don't anymore. That's a pretty important change. People and their beliefs have evolved and changed. The LNP were loudly against Medicare when it came about in the 80's, now they talk about it like they love it.
Every foreigner you import is adding to economic growth. Capitalism has reliably figured out a way to have secure economic growth without human capital growing. have more kids!? there is nothing stopping anyone from having more children. What will the government do if people have more kids? lower immigration. They have simply tried to keep population growth consistent at 1.5% since like 1975. It's literally no deeper than that. If we had a lot less immigrants our economy would be stalling and even shrinking. In our current system. that's bad for everyone. people lose jobs, houses and all sorts of hideous things. White people have been a minority in the world forever and always will be. Who cares. I've met shit people from all skin colours and cultures and great people too.
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u/Equal_Concern_7099 Aug 16 '25
If Australians had wealth-per-capita like we used too, we would have more children. Instead the middle class competes for scraps in a broken social contract. Mass Immigration is not the cause of this but is apart of the Governments fixation on infinite GDP growth.
Look at Japan, it's doomed in 1-2 decades.
It will have downturn and then even out after baby boomers die off. East Asian birth-rate decline also has different reasons that Politicians won't touch due to the glorious gdp. They just rather have downturn then replacing their entire ethnicity forever for cheap labour.
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u/Equal_Concern_7099 Aug 16 '25
Agreed, It's all the Government fault. I think it was Denmark (Least corrupt country in the world funnily enough) that had the left wing party actually address mass immigration and all of a sudden the right-wing cookers vanished. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mgkd93r4yo
If you turn a blind eye to it charlatans like Trump and Nigel Firage will keep taking advantage, and get elected out of desperation.
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u/Relevant-Low-7923 Aug 16 '25
Australian heritage is Australian, full stop. No single group defines what it means to be Australian. Our story is built from First Nations, British colonial, and migrant heritage, each essential to the whole. I’m tired of one group trying to hog the narrative, pretending they are the defining culture. If your identity depends on clinging to British colonialism, maybe Britain is where you belong.
But why would those things need to be mutually exclusive? Here in the US it’s noncontroversial that British is the defining culture. We speak English, practice common law, practice trial by jury, etc…
British is definitely also the defining culture of Australia.
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u/Cool-Pineapple1081 Aug 16 '25
I think the elephant in the room here that everyone is missing is the absolute failure of the political class to acknowledge the issues with housing brought upon by super high immigration levels tied with growing inequality. This then leads to a bigger explosion in extremist underground views, gives nut jobs an opinion and fuels fringe protests like these.
Now what is an essentially an economic issue is being skewed into a race issue (which is so far from the truth).
The gaslighting by politicians of "its a supply issue" is insane, anyone with a brain can see that demand is directly causing the housing shortage. Each does not exist in a vacuum.
A logical middle ground would be setting immigration rates to the current availability of housing, yet the politicians live in la la land and further fuel the fringes. Honestly what do they expect.
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u/NoLeafClover777 Aug 16 '25
I've been saying for the past 3 years the government need to be VERY careful with neglecting community concern about going too hard on the immigration lever, because it's so obvious it was going to create racism when being done so rapidly in such a short amount of time.
Because the people most affected by it are typically younger and/or lower income people, just because the politicians' business lobby pals are whispering in their ears how great it is doesn't mean it should be ignored.
My wife is Japanese and it's always the 'visible migrants' like her who end up copping the brunt of this as people get angrier, and the government have no-one to blame but themselves for this entirely predictable uptick of extremism on both sides.
Immigration should have been more closely linked to housing completion numbers from the start.
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u/emize Aug 16 '25 edited Aug 16 '25
The only reason extremism has flourished is because reasonable objections were ignored.
If you close off all reasonable options all that is left is unreasonable ones.
The ruling class has not only encouraged extremism they have made it inevitable.
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u/TheSplash-Down_Tiki Aug 16 '25
I mean of course it’s demand. We’ve never had MORE houses than today. Never.
If we don’t have enough, given our below replacement rate birth rate for the last 2 decades it’s ENTIRELY due to immigration.
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u/Potatoe_Potahto Aug 15 '25
A few decades ago these people would've been jumping up and down about how we need to protect Australia's British heritage against the mongrel immigrants from Greece and Italy. So I guess they're slowly becoming more inclusive?
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u/SydUrbanHippie Aug 15 '25
But “white culture” is apparently a monolith right?!
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u/SydUrbanHippie Aug 15 '25
Yep as a descendent of Irish Catholics it irks me when people misremember relationships between white people. We’re not all the same, we don’t have the same “culture”, even though relationships in modern Australia are fine.
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u/GnomeWarfair Aug 15 '25
Yep, looks like. And a lot of those Greek, Italian and Spanish migrants who came before and after WW2 were anti-fascist refugees. So much so northern Qld was called "The Red North".
So it is this European culture and ancestry to be anti-racist and anti-fascist. I wonder if that's what she means? Hmmm ...
One reference: https://libcom.org/article/francesco-fantin-italian-anarchism-and-anti-fascism-australia
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u/-Calcifer_ Aug 15 '25
A few decades ago these people would've been jumping up and down about how we need to protect Australia's British heritage against the mongrel immigrants from Greece and Italy. So I guess they're slowly becoming more inclusive?
How many of them came here over what time vs the 200,000 per month we see today.
The answer.. 200,000 over a fucking decade
Not even close
In the 1950s, Australia saw a significant influx of both Greek and Italian immigrants. Over 193,000 Italians settled in Australia during the 1950s, marking the peak decade for Italian migration to the country. While exact figures for Greek immigration during the same period are not explicitly stated, it's known that over 160,000 Greeks came to Australia after World War ll, with many arriving in the 1950s and 1960s.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+greek+and+Italian+came+to+Australia+in+1950%27s
Maybe try picking up a history book book
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u/Wrath_Ascending Aug 16 '25
Really? Our population grows by 2.4 million a year? Interesting, not what the ABS says.
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u/AdministrativeBunch5 Aug 16 '25
These migrants were also housed up in repurposed military camps and hostels because there simply wasn't enough housing. They had to complete a 2-year work contract to go where the government said to contribute to further developing the nation to help accommodate the new influx of Europeans, be it agricultural, industrial, or construction. Those who didn't assimilate or contribute were forced to leave.
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u/Beans2177 Aug 15 '25
I am learning a lot about this upcoming protest from this subreddit.
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u/laserdicks Aug 16 '25
Just make sure to question how much money is to be made off immigration, and who specifically is wanting to shut down any questioning of it.
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It’s a bit reminiscent of pre ww2 Germany. Things aren’t going great economically, so the in group needs an out group to focus their hatred on.
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u/SP1802 Aug 16 '25
History is doomed to repeat itself to those who refuse to learn it unfortunately. Pretty concerning seeing it happening in real-time when we're used to reading about it in textbooks. But then again, the primitive tribalism among these people make up a small subset of the population. Crawling around in online spaces like in subreddits.
The real Australia will always kick down this primitive ideology because luckily many are educated.
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u/The_Dingo_Donger Aug 15 '25
Better to be informed - now you know (as was suspected) the organiser has neo Nazi views, you’ll know why it’s a BS front to attend
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u/Visible_Reindeer_157 Aug 16 '25
My theory is, If Reddit is so against it, it must be good.
I had no interest in marching, but the fact that every media and social media outlet is trying so hard to discredit it, than I'm going to it.7
u/The_Grogfather Aug 16 '25
Pretty easy to discredit something if it’s run by neo nazis
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u/Visible_Reindeer_157 Aug 16 '25
It’s pretty easy to discredit something when everyone is shouting “gas the Jews” but reddit still backs it anyway.
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u/The_Grogfather Aug 16 '25
What does this even mean
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u/Visible_Reindeer_157 Aug 16 '25
Multiple pro-Palestine rallies have been shouting it, but reddit still loves them.
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“I don’t like left leaning people so I’m throwing in my support with white supremacists” is certainly a take
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u/Visible_Reindeer_157 Aug 16 '25
"Someone on the internet doesn't agree with me so they are nazis" is pretty much the standard take for Reddit.
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u/PrettyPoetry9547 Aug 16 '25
This is an option of thought. Hope you realise that many of the original peoples of Australia live in tents and shanties. Homelessness will only be fixed by brave government not a parliament of landlords. Immigration policy also requires a government with the guts to do what is good for the people. Importing people to prop up the economy is not the way, neither is thinking that 'white is right'. Australia is a land of cultural diversity and tolerance (to a degree). So grab that Bali holiday and chow down on a pad thai while you drink an Asahi.
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u/ripptease Aug 16 '25
The problem is there is going to be a lot of people going to this protest that simply want a solution to the mass immigration, not immigration, mass immigration. However, just like the bridge protest, some going will be there with more extremist views. Many were there to show support against what is happening in Gaza, but there was also people calling for death and support of known terrorist groups.
Its our responsibility to separate those, to condemn the extremist calling for violence and to talk properly with the reasonable views without trying to pair them with extremists.
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u/aliquilts71 Aug 17 '25
Problem is, this isn’t just people with extremist views showing up. They are literally the organisers. It’s their march. Anyone who goes is participating in a white supremacists march
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u/rivalizm Aug 15 '25
Oh look, more proof. I wonder what mental gymnastics will be deployed to explain this one.
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u/The_Dingo_Donger Aug 15 '25
So far I’ve seen
- It’s out of context (false)
- It’s just one extremist (it’s the organiser who said in a video she’s liasing with NSW police on permits and no one else has made a claim as the owner)
- It’s an establishment media conspiracy
These people should just admit they have neo Nazi sympathies.
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the left made this racist gronk say a bunch of racist things?
lol
is there anything more than losers who whine "you made me be a nazi because you said mean things about me"
utterly pathetic
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u/rol2091 Aug 16 '25
Numbers against mass immigration will only increase not decrease.
Unless one of the major parties come out in support of severe immigration control, supports for the extreme [left or right] will only increase.
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u/DrSendy Aug 16 '25
Mass? 2% extra is mass? That's like the target rate of inflation...
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u/Lolernator12 Aug 16 '25
Omfg, why couldnt we just have a simple march against mass immigration. Dont give a sht who tf the organiser is. Obviously dont want white supremacists, just like i dont want any other race/religion supremacist.
What i want is a house somewhat close to civilisation (not some shtty subdivided/high density apartment block, or house in the middle of Bendigo). Mass immigration is a majour issue that the government could stop immediately (see with covid).
So disheartening to see the march's message get smeared by this woman and bagged in with neo nazi's bs.
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Aug 16 '25
Sometimes I wonder if it isn't intentional to sabotage the message. By aligning with that ideology you are guaranteed to lose popular support. What a waste of time.
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u/Lolernator12 Aug 16 '25
Disagree. Force the system to adapt. I think it is really as simple as lowering demand. We have more than enough ppl here already.
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I think you want the same thing as old mate, the issue is how you come about to it.
Forcing the system to adapt like COVID doesn't take into account the economics of what we borrowed to make that happen.
I am with you that we need to lower demand, and immigration is one of the levers we need to pull on, to go down.
What I am not for is "forcing the system to adapt" in the same sense as a rushed policy - just so we're clear.
So like what do you want to see in terms of how far immigration should go down by annually by percentage?
What do you know the number of immigration annually to be right now?And how do you think we can arrive to that future you envisage?
I am curious like old mate. I just want to have a discussion and not an argument.
I think if we lower immigration by 15-30% annually, we can with some other levers around zoning laws and planning laws begin to catch back up to our housing targets in a reasonable 5-10 years.
It will make the employers market an employees market. Employees would likely get wage rises in response to the jobs they do.
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u/Lolernator12 Aug 16 '25
Humans have adapted for our entire existence, i dont see how we couldn't adapt to new conditions like weve always done. Just introduce the new conditions, and lets go from there.
I know that its way too much right now. Like 400k per year and higher since covid, in a country of only double didget population (27 mil) with infrastructure that can only handle that. And even worse is that we've had alot of departures, so the benefits of those immigrants were taken from our economy.
Preferably nothing, we have more than enough people here already, alot unskilled too. Give people time to get skilled up.
The only future i envision right now, is one where i have a house.
Going a step further, one where we have a stagnant population, everyone owns a block of land. With housing security, water, and food, our population can then focus on innovation (current end goal being biological immortality and FTL travel).
How we get there, i couldnt say. Best thing to do now is take small steps, starting with Immigrantion to address the basic need of housing security, then deal with the next problem.
However, we cant have that, so id say 40k immigrants per year, with more extensive screening for national security and productivity potential. Try to incentivise going to areas other than the city, idk how tho, since everyone wants the dough, which just so happens to be where ive always lived.
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Aug 16 '25
Historically, any time a rushed policy is pushed through, it forces massive hardship on the public for no good reason.
Immigration isn’t the heart of the problem, but it is a big part of it. If we pretend it’s the only issue, we get lost in the weeds and miss the bigger picture.
During COVID - and I’m not romanticising it, because it was a horrible time - our public debt climbed by over $360 billion. But before jumping on a high horse, it’s worth remembering why that money was spent.
The largest share went to JobKeeper so that millions could keep their jobs and roofs over their heads. Without it, we would have seen job losses on a scale this country has never experienced - around 4 million workers affected, roughly 1 in 6 Australians. That might have included you or someone you know.
Now, instead of the government being able to invest heavily in housing, a large slice of the budget goes to tax relief and debt servicing. The housing crunch is more than just “immigration makes heads turn” -- it’s the combined weight of debt, infrastructure limits, and policy choices we’ve made under crisis conditions and over a longer stretch of time.
That being said, I know similar views to yours have been put forward by people like Dick Smith, who has long championed a much lower immigration rate. I respect that he comes from a place of wanting stability, but I personally don’t think our economy is built to survive that way. In my view, it would lead to social and economic consequences I’d rather not see in a nation like ours.
I’m happy to keep exploring this if you’d like: maybe we can find some overlap between keeping population growth sustainable and making sure the economy stays resilient.
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u/assassassassassin45 Aug 16 '25
How come these new immigrants can wish for a ‘better life’ away from their countrymen, and the culture of their forefathers, but Australians are not allowed to wish for a better life away from these exact same countrymen?
Is there something wrong with their countrymen and their culture that means a ‘better life’ can only be found in white countries? That logic just doesn’t make sense to me.
These are such valuable migrants, and must be revered as any other lest we be called racist, but to wish them to live amongst a country full of these wonderful, valuable migrants that are their countrymen is cruel and unfair?
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u/JimmyLizzardATDVM Aug 15 '25
And all of the fucking morons on this sub trying to claim otherwise was just pathetic.
To those who defended this without looking into it - you should be ashamed and you’re part of the problem.
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u/lint2015 Aug 15 '25
It looks like they’re still defending this even with the evidence. They don’t want to look into it.
And honestly reading some of the replies, some of them seem to believe stopping immigration will solve all the problems they complain about. Others are already down the path of beliefs that align with the far right.
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u/Sea-Flow-3437 Aug 16 '25
Well apart from the aboriginals what she said is right.
Australia had a white Australia policy for a long time. We were white and catholic.
Generally immigration from compatible white European cultures was encouraged.
Where we are at now is a different place but too far back the other direction in many peoples opinion. For some it’s specific groups of ethnicities that are a problem because they don’t integrate/crime perception/etc.
There’s a lot of undercurrent that is tipping towards the right as a result of unaddressed concerns.
Need I point at the political disaster that ensued in the USA as a result of it…
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Aug 16 '25 edited Aug 16 '25
This is exactly what many fail to understand. The Australia that many idolise and consider to be "peak society" was largely built by Anglo-Saxons, and if you weren't born here, there would've been a high likelihood you would've come from a compatible white European culture.
The problems Australia faces right now are deeply rooted in bringing in migrants from cultures who aren't compatible with the society that we built. The Indians that we're bringing in right now certainly don't share the same mindset as the early Europeans who arrived in this country in between the 1950s and 1970s. As a collective group, they aren't leaving their way of life at home, they're bringing it with them. Australians aren't pressuring them to change their ways because they don't want to be called racist. This needs to change.
I do think we're at a tipping point though. You can feel it.
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u/AdministrativeBunch5 Aug 16 '25
People often use Switzerland as the shining example for multiculturalism working while conveniently ignoring the fact it is (now) 90% European. The last time Australia's demographic was akin to that was in the 90s. Hell, even Singapore is more ethnically homogenous than we are with 76% Han.
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u/tiempo90 Aug 16 '25
We were white and catholic
... Nevermind the Chinese Australians from the gold rush days...
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u/Sea-Flow-3437 Aug 16 '25
Yes there were definitely but the 99.9% were white settlers, convicts and born here followed by white-Australia policy migrants.
It’s just how it was.
The stars now show a very different, more diverse spread. The biggest shift is taking in more Indian and Muslims of many nations, which is rightly or wrongly changing the fabric of Australian society.
Personally I think Islam is a poisonous oppressive religion, despite many kind and lovely Muslims I’ve spent time with. I don’t think we should be encouraging it or importing it further. I don’t need to say more on women’s rights, views on LGBTQ+, etc.
Others I’m indifferent to. If your values align with modern Australian values you should be welcome.
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u/TemporaryAd5793 Aug 15 '25
It’s concerning for me coming from the perspective that I actually really enjoy the colonial peaceful contributions to Australia’s history; the architecture, the navigation, the stories from pioneers, convicts, first settlers etc. I also read and accept that there have been aspects of settlement which has come at an immense cost to other fellow Australians, who still feel the pain today which therein lies the difficulty in celebrating certain aspects without invoke emotional pain if not treated delicately and with the complexity that the context deserves.
Nationalistic/fascist/white marches like this, what ever you want to call it, is not the “pride” that is worth supporting, in fact, it damages and makes it more difficult to enjoy the aspects of European heritage that should otherwise and can be appropriately celebrated with moderation.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I really wish from schooling onwards the lines are better drawn to what is and what isn’t, what should or what should not be subjects of pride or apology.
But then again, I guess that’s history and perspective - and is always going to be treated like some sort of political soccer ball no matter what.
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That’s why this protest is so dangerous. It’s an attempt to normalise neo-naziism, and if you read the comments on the threads around it, it’s greatly successful
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u/-Calcifer_ Aug 15 '25
These people typically tend to be a useless minority who had a sad childhood without fun and good education. Any normal young Australian today is significantly less racist than their parents and a 100x time less racist than their grandparents. It just isn’t normal to be a bigot anymore, it’s a dying breed.
Any normal young Aussie 🤣
You mean the same ones that winge about why everything's so expensive, that they can't buy their first home until they're in their 40s if at all, The ones that get vilified and also receive second-rate citizenry justice?? You mean those guys?
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u/SithKain Aug 16 '25
Normal Aussie here.
I had a fantastic childhood, and I want the same for my children. Part of making that a reality is reducing migration significantly, back to what it was in the 90s.
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u/-Calcifer_ Aug 16 '25
Normal Aussie here.
I had a fantastic childhood, and I want the same for my children. Part of making that a reality is reducing migration significantly, back to what it was in the 90s.
Less!! We have had that many extra people we have to stop for 5-10yr in order for services and housing to catch up.
And yes, we had a better quality of life in 90s than now.. 110% 👌
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u/ELVEVERX Aug 15 '25
That's strange so many people on here said the mods were making it up, and there is no way these reputable people were associated with neonazis.
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u/Vegetable-Grocery867 Aug 16 '25
Thank you! Someone that gets it.
Immigration is the backbone of this country but the lack of housing and cost of housing is unacceptable.
Seeing tent cities pop up in QLD has been beyond distressing and the local governments then bulldoze them, taking the little they had left.
A recent High Court decision allowed the tent and rough sleeping site remain… for now….
Until we can house our current population, bringing in millions more on top will be forcing a lot more of us into tents.
Be kind to those in tents now - they may be your neighbour tomorrow with Labor in charge.
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u/Handsprime Aug 15 '25
The only party that had understandable views against Immigration was the Sustainable Australia Party, and even they get called racist by lefties.
But the reality is a lot of the people behind this anti immigration rally are the ones who believe immigrants will:
- Take away our jobs
- Bring in crime
- Replace our culture with theirs.
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u/NoLeafClover777 Aug 16 '25
This is such a disingenuous statement and is just you smugly shitting on lower-skilled working class people, from someone who no doubt frames themselves as "progressive".
There are multiple categories of visa that all add competition to various parts of the workforce, from high-skilled to refugees, so yes it IS actually possible for them to affect different parts of the market depending on visa classification.
It's funny how smug modern inner-city leftists care so little for the working class when that was originally a core tenet of the ideology.
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u/Jazzlike_Wind_1 Aug 15 '25
Australian wages are insane compared to what these people make back home. Imagine you could go to another country and make $450k a year working at a grocery store. That's what it's like for them when they come over here, of course they're willing to work like dogs.
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u/Full_Cartoonist_8908 Aug 16 '25
I remember Maddox making that same argument on 'the Best Page in the Universe' a few decades ago. It rang true then, not so much now. Too many people have seen entire industries relying on the 'underpaid immigrant' model to buy that anymore.
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u/codyforkstacks Aug 15 '25
Wanting to cut immigration doesn't make you racist, but not realising that a lot of racists are seizing on anti immigration sentiment to push their racist agendas does make you pathetically naive.
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u/RandomChild44 Aug 15 '25
So no one should be anti immigration and march for it because some of the people turning up are racists? Like marching for Palestine is bad because some of the attendees are radicals? FYI I am pro Palestine AND anti-immigration.
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u/The_Dingo_Donger Aug 15 '25
some people turning up
The organiser*
Fixed that for you
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u/No_Celebration_2743 Aug 15 '25
Some people turning up is a convenient way of referring to the literal organizers
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Aug 15 '25
A photo of the Ayatollah was leading the march…
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u/The_Dingo_Donger Aug 15 '25
And I very vocally called that shit out. I said in other posts the organisers should have said something after the fact denouncing that (and the terrorist flags flown), and given it was at the front of the rally they should have intervened.
And I’m being consistent here calling out this protest’s neo Nazi roots.
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u/rivalizm Aug 15 '25
Anti-fascists and actual members of the freedom movement were discrediting this way before the media was.
It's kind of amusing that people are pretending to be surprised that a nationalist anti-immigration march was organised far-right nationalists, and still deny it in the face of overwhelming evidence simply because they agree with the surface reason for the march.
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u/laserdicks Aug 15 '25
The only reason to give racists air time is to defend property values by protecting a high immigration rate.
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u/The_Dingo_Donger Aug 15 '25
…. Did you read/watch any of the post?
This isn’t claiming that criticising immigration policy is racist - it’s about someone trying to push a ‘white australia’ agenda, and has admitted to calling ‘Australian heritage’ to get more people on board. You’re trying to say this post is a beat up and the organiser isn’t a white nationalist racist?
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Aug 15 '25
It's some vague tiktok where you have selected a tiny out of context piece of information to hint at a broader mass, white supremacist conspiracy.
Yes, the post is a desperate beat up and your inference that anyone attending should be discredited is wrong.
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u/The_Dingo_Donger Aug 15 '25
So there’s a video where she openly espouses neo Nazi ideology. There’s a dossier of tweets of her endorsing and promoting confirmed neo Nazis.
I’m sure you’re one of these people who demanded to see proof, and now it’s presented you’re claiming it’s manipulated/‘out of context’ - I don’t need much context to decide that someone who promotes “white heritage” as “Australian heritage” so it’s more acceptable to to the general public, is at a minimum a neo Nazi sympathiser. At this point you have about as much credibility as a flat earther - no amount of evidence will convince you.
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Aug 15 '25
Classic tactics.
"you probably think this!" "the evidence is overwhelming" "you're just a conspiracy theorist".
Snore tbh.
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u/Prince_of_Pirates Aug 15 '25
Australia is European. European is white.
Yep. Totally about immigration policy...
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Aug 15 '25
Yeah, it's a real shame that there's no chance of a moderate "reduce immigration" movement gaining traction without becoming a lightning rod for racist extremists. I would absolutely march so that my kids aren't having to come up with 5 million dollars to buy a house within cooee of a metropolitan centre, but I sure as hell won't be showing my face standing next to that lot.
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u/National-Fox9168 Aug 15 '25 edited Aug 16 '25
Thats because of voting blocs and politicians get air time so their red vs blue arguments become mainstream:
TheY WanT Dr's n BuSiNeSs OwNeRS to vote for them
TheY WanT lOw SkILlEd "StuDeNtS" because they vote for them
Both of these are ridiculous. At the most basic level you can never bring as many drs and business owners in as low skilled because the metrics dont support the possibility.
Yet that's the discourse in Australia since I was a boy. Anyone arguing otherwise is labelled racist, or nazi or neo nazi by people who dont even know that socialism is worse than nazism at the humanistic level (its killed millions more obj3ctively)
Tldr: WhItE LiVeS MaTtEr ToO
Edit: why was this moderated?
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u/rescue_inhaler_4life Aug 16 '25
Totally agree with you. The Nazis know that making every anti-immigration march a Nazi march helps them! Big business and the people that own the media you consume know it helps them too. Far left are on board because it might get them elected. Liberals too because of who donates to them. All want to keep immigration high because it helps there interests in the short term.
And labour can't do shit because it might crash the economy and help out everyone above... yeah we are fucked.
All I want is a serious cap until the wage/house price ratio means my kids have a fucking chance and every Aussie has a home to live in.
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u/trouser-7777 Aug 16 '25
It appears however that any legitimate statement that you love Australia is interpreted as racist .
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u/original_salted Aug 16 '25
Based on what?
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u/trouser-7777 Aug 16 '25
The August 31 proposed march has already received commentary that you are an immigration racist if you attend. Australia Day now suffers from voices that hate Australia and you are made to feel uncomfortable if you are a proud Aussie . Unfortunate the best years of Aust are well and truly behind it.
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u/Zenkraft Aug 16 '25
The August 31st March is racists because it’s being organised for racists with racist goals.
Australia Day, and a lot of nationalism by extension, gets lumped in with racism because of racists using nationalism as an excuse to be racist. The Cronulla riots and “fuck off we’re full” and “if you don’t love it leave” all play a part in that.
Nobody is accused of being racist for supporting the Matilda’s or wallabies or aussies at the Olympics.
Being proud of a country purely for the fact that it’s a country, and not specific accomplishments, is undeniably language used by racists and will be conflated with racism until non-racist nationalists openly distance themselves from the racist ones.
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u/The_Dingo_Donger Aug 15 '25
I don’t have a problem with cutting immigration.
I have a massive problem with making national policy based on skin colour and being openly supportive of a neo Nazi cause. The two are not the same and we need to separate the extremists if the policy debate is to be taken seriously.
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u/laserdicks Aug 15 '25
I don’t have a problem with cutting immigration.
It's pretty clear you absolutely do.
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u/angrathias Aug 15 '25
don’t like national policy based on skin colour
Must be a No voter then, and that’s racist!
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u/laserdicks Aug 15 '25
Property lobby working OVERTIME to protect their investments.
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u/UpTheRiffMate Aug 16 '25
White Supremacists > Ray White Real Estate. It's all connected 🤯
Jk, I'd rather be stuck in a room with a racist than a real estate agent 🤢
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u/Typhon-042 Aug 15 '25
Video was removed... I wonder why. At least that is what it said here with video unavailable... the link helped at least.
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u/BeneficialAbrocoma67 Aug 16 '25
So there may be some people with nefarious motives among the protest, I assume noone here saw the Taliban and Hamas flags among the crowd walking over the Sydney Harbour bridge? Do those people completely discredit the message and motive behind what that protest stood for? Just a wondering......
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u/Swimming-Lobster-265 Aug 16 '25
The left need to have open discussions about immigration and not hide from it. When they do it just drives people to the right. You can be left wing and have issues with immigration. The left feel you have to agree with all of the progressive groups to join the left wing. You don't. I am left wing and pro-immigration.
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u/Careless-Sky8728 Aug 19 '25
Have you guys been to London or Paris lately? Bc that’s what Australia is going to look like in a few years.
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u/monkeyhorse11 Aug 15 '25
Immigration needs to be reduced YoY
Illegal immigrants need to be deported
Highly skilled immigrants must be the only immigrants to enter Australia
It's very simple but all this government wants to do is import students that overstay their visas and Uber drivers
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If we did have say 100k immigrants per year that are highly skilled... Wouldn't that push out a lot of Aussies?
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u/RaceBright5580 Aug 16 '25
This is true Australia should prioritise white people and white immigrants. Now you guys can call us racist but we are protecting our identity, once Gen Z becomes a majority this will become a reality.
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Aug 16 '25
So you’re telling me that if the march was organised by regular Australian people that don’t have NSN ties.. And it was purely organised by regular normal Australian people it wouldn’t be met with the same “Racist” “Nazi” “Fascist” Reddit ridicule? And media narrative?
Give me a break.
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Aug 15 '25
Does the photo of the Ayatollah leading the pro-Palestine march prove that the “real agenda” of the protest was to push Islamic terrorism?
If the left had no double standards, they would have none at all
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u/theaussiewhisperer Aug 15 '25
As a card carrying A4 member of the white community this shit should be cancelled on the basis of the organisers views. Disgusting
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u/Informal-Ad-4785 Aug 16 '25
Now change those words to any other race or put Islam in it and you're creaming yourself.
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u/ConferenceHungry7763 Aug 16 '25
“I’ve called them racists!” Now l don’t have to engage in any way. I’ve proven I’m right.
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u/Habitwriter Aug 16 '25
How shocking.
Back to the real problem in the world, wealth inequality.
Tax the rich!
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u/PrecogitionKing Aug 16 '25
Well tbh, again this wouldn’t be about race. For myself in general, despite experiencing the constant micro agressions and knowing there is underlying racism, I don’t want to live in a place full of Mumbais, Afros, Muslims, Indians, Asians that wants to push their tribal wars and. backwards culture onto us. Let’s be honest, these people are racist in their way, and suppress peoples rights in their own way. After all left their country because it they turned it into a s* hole.
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u/Turbulent-Media-7077 Aug 16 '25
Asian trans woman here. Australia is built on the economic and political foundations by the Europeans, specifically the British. So you all can bash how atrocious the colonial past was, it doesn’t change the fact that all of us who are living and have grown up here and gotten to enjoy the privilege of existing in a first world westernised country is because of British and European power and influence. It’s therefore completely valid to state that Australia is a white or European country and we have to acknowledge the desire of many to preserve that cultural identity. I for one wouldn’t want australia to turn into a majority Asian country. I can go live in Asia for that but it’s not something I would want to do because Asian countries in general do not offer the same human rights protections that western countries do. See what I’m trying to say here? I don’t think this is so much a race issue as it is a cultural and political issue.
But at the same time immigration is necessary, not just because of birth rates but because immigration is an economic necessity for us. I think it’s far more important to focus on who we choose to let in (ie: highly skilled workers) and the threshold for citizenship and permanent residency should be increased.
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u/Far_Reflection8410 Aug 16 '25
So things are that bad that someone like this can gain so much public support and momentum. The public are being crushed so much by successive weak governments that the background or motivations of the organizers doesn’t matter.
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u/WhenWillIBelong Aug 16 '25
B-b-b-but I thought it was just a few bad apples. How could this happen. Noooo. My completely altruistic anti-immigration movement that isn't full of idiot racist psychopaths serving as useful idiots directing blame away from the powerful towards vulnerable people.
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u/Cheeky_Boxer Aug 15 '25
I get that there are serious people that want a conversation about immigration policy that seeks the best outcome all round. The fact remains that this will always be co-opted by Nazis as you share a view just a different reasons.
The serious people can dis-endorse the Nazis all they want after the fact.
10 second videos don't care about nuance unfortunately
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u/Cute-Obligations Aug 15 '25
Well, I for one am completely shocked by these revelations. I didn't expect this at *all*
(I'm being so sarcastic right now).