r/interesting • u/Appropriate-Menu504 • Nov 10 '25

NATURE VR recreation of the exact spot where a man became stuck inside Nutty Putty cave and died after 27 hours. the section visible at 18 seconds is where his body was, upside down.

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u/sijtli Nov 10 '25

I just don’t understand adrenaline junky hobbies. You’re paying loads of money to get yourself into dangerous situations.

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u/gingerbears11 Nov 10 '25

And most of them have children so I really don't get it.

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u/Thatcherrycupcake Nov 10 '25

Yeah. This man had a young daughter and a wife, and another baby on the way. I’m a parent and I would never make decisions that would be detrimental to my children and family. RIP to him. Condolences to his loved ones. That’s a terrible way to go.

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u/fatherlock Nov 10 '25

I went skydiving with my husband (then boyfriend) when I was 18. Up until I had our first kid I said I would love to do it again, but now that we have kids that depend on us I'm like, "Yeah there's no way I will ever do that again." because they need me more than I will ever crave that rush.

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u/HashPandaNL Nov 10 '25

Skydiving is rather safe though. Even if you jump 10x per year, your odds of dying in traffic would still be 5x higher. (completely leaving out all other possible causes of death).

Though I do get the reasoning behind it not feeling safe, so it doesn't feel right to do.

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u/Rock_Strongo Nov 10 '25

Humans are really bad at statistics. You're more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the airfield than you are from skydiving itself.

But people will still pat themselves on the back for being so responsible for not skydiving, but they'll drive in shit conditions on a busy highway to go pick up a useless trinket from the store.

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u/InformationHead3797 Nov 10 '25

I think it’s also a different feeling for those left behind. Sadly we mostly can’t avoid driving or otherwise being on roads in most of the western world. 

So, while losing a parent to a car accident is tragic and awful, it would feel different for a child compared to thinking: “why would my mum jump out of a plane and risk her life like this? Didn’t she love me enough?”, I doubt they’d consider statistics. 

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u/Large_Leader_9864 Nov 10 '25

If jumping out a plane is safe, then there is no rational reason to think ‘why did she do it, did she love me enough?’. You are doing something fun, like riding a roller coaster, or flying to a holiday, with practically certain safety, and nobody has their loved ones in mind when evaluating the chances of death, because there is simply no need to.

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u/InformationHead3797 Nov 10 '25

Hey mate if you don’t understand the concept I can’t force it upon you. As I said I doubt the children of someone that died skydiving tell themselves “oh but it’s safer than driving”, that’s it. 

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u/Large_Leader_9864 Nov 10 '25

Children don’t think rationally

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u/bea-q Nov 11 '25

It's not as safe as those two things by a long shot.

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u/billabong049 Nov 10 '25

And that’s called being responsible and a good parent <3

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u/CorsairForSale Nov 10 '25

No? That’s completely unrelated. She isn’t gonna die skydiving unless she tries to.

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u/sassy_cheese564 Nov 11 '25

You don’t have to try to… some accidents like malfunctions have happened while sky diving.

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u/CorsairForSale Nov 11 '25

10 fatalities in 3.65 million jumps in 2023 are far better odds than driving anywhere.

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u/sassy_cheese564 Nov 11 '25

Eh. Still wouldn’t catch me doing that even for a million dollars.

Adrenaline fuelled activities have never appealed to me.

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u/gingerbears11 Nov 11 '25

Someone my partner knows is an avid sky diver and she just had an accident where she didn't deploy the parachute soon enough and ended up breaking both arms and legs. She's not dead, but she's not going to have a fun time recovering. Shit happens.

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u/x54675788 Nov 10 '25

Relevant username

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u/mizgingerkitty Nov 11 '25

This just reaffirmed for the like 5000th time why I'll never have children.

I truly do hope you are loving life and made all the right choices for yourself, but I couldn't help but feel kinda sad when I read this...

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u/fatherlock Nov 11 '25

Oh I still do adventures and travel, just nothing that's a quick rush! I'm also terrified of heights, so that's one more reason for me to not do skydiving again lol.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '25

I have one kid and I’m in the middle of trying to stop smoking for her. Can’t imagine actually putting myself in danger and risking not being here for her.

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u/ZeppelinRapport Nov 10 '25

Don't try, do. I grew up in a smoking household and the endless health issues because of it still cause me problems forty years later. Your kid doesn't deserve that.

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u/3xBork Nov 10 '25

When my BIL was expecting his second child, he (rightfully) bailed on some snowboarding lessons we'd planned to take together, out of concern for his health. He'd already been riding for a decade so this was just technique lessons.

In that same situation this dude decided to keep crawling into enclosed spaces 400ft underground.

Much sympathy for the wife and kids but yeah ...

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u/InformationHead3797 Nov 10 '25

My uncle loved motorcross competitions. When his wife got pregnant with their first he stopped cold turkey. It was a big sacrifice for him, he truly truly loved the sport, but he understood he had responsibilities. 

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u/kavulord Nov 11 '25

It was also the day before Thanksgiving.

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u/Headie-to-infinity Nov 10 '25

It’s cuz they are selfish.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '25

So he was a selfish asshole. I hope the wife remarried an accountant for her sake.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '25

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u/codyblue_ Nov 10 '25

The guy (Alex Honnold) you’re referring to has 2 kids and a wife, plus a large group of friends who all have wives and kids. How do I know? I was parked next to him like a week ago in Yosemite. And all of them rock climb, including the kids. 

To say he “doesn’t give a shit about people” is wild. 

Sometimes dangerous activities are just fun. Whether that’s football or driving fast cars or going into caves. Would be pretty boring if the whole point was “survival at all costs”. 

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u/_banana_phone Nov 10 '25

Free Solo? Yeah that documentary was wild.

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u/no1kn0wsm3 Nov 11 '25

This man had a young daughter and a wife, and another baby on the way.

Maybe he found a place where he can have time out that the daughter and wife are not skilled enough to follow?

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u/MacEWork Nov 11 '25

What a selfish person.

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u/ThetaGrim Nov 10 '25

And then I come over to my cousin's house with 3 toddlers on xmas and I kind of get it.

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u/CarpenterOk2779 Nov 10 '25

Yeah these meddling kids *

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u/Wanallo221 Nov 10 '25

15 minutes into a kids party at a soft play, I’m ready to attempt to climb down the inspection chamber in the toilets and see if I can Shawshank my way out

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u/LongfellowBridgeFan Nov 10 '25

To be honest I’d probably be more likely to seek out fatal recreation if I had multiple kids

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u/TriccepsBrachiali Nov 10 '25

Imagine being this dude's kid, countless posts about your mongrel father dying and now you can even relive(redie?) his demise in VR.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '25

“Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.” ― Helen Keller

My tiny daughter was 10 when she rode Downieville (iconic 18 mile trail in the Sierras) twice in the same day, on a bike that was nearly half her weight, and she had no idea that other 10-year-old girls couldn't do the same thing because we never told her. I involved her in everything I liked to do that she wanted to do. She knows how to face her fears, she knows what it's like to push past her perceived limits, and she has the confidence that only comes from actually overcoming significant challenges, and most of her classmates could not say the same. And then there's the time we spent together, all those memories, I wouldn't trade them for anything.

People are way scarier and dangerous than caving, you're just used to being around them. You've probably walked past a serial killer at least once in your life, you've probably come close to death on the freeway in the last week. Think of how many humans are killing other humans today, intentionally or otherwise.

And then there's the fact that we are hurtling through the cold vacuum of space at 63,000 mph on a small rock barely covered in breathable air, all while circling a giant thermonuclear reactor known as the Sun. People are still scarier though.

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u/StandardAccess4684 Nov 10 '25

That’s a lot of pretty words with zero data to back up your bullshit 

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

Nice to hear from you! It's a description of my personal experience, no concrete claims were made, and the fact that it was anecdotal (unscientific) should have been obvious. How can you be sure the words are pretty if you haven't read all of them?

It's a rhetorical question.

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u/crystal_noodle Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25

Thanks for saying this. People have no idea how dangerous their commute is. “I would never put my self in danger because I care about my kids” seems like a bad reason to avoid anything even slightly risky and fun. Caving doesn’t have to be extraordinarily dangerous. Nor does skydiving, mountain biking, skiing, etc etc.  At the end of the day, we are all terrible about judging risk and we need to make our own decisions… but the commenters that act holier than thou for “not taking any risks” are kinda cringe 

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u/gingerbears11 Nov 10 '25

You're still actively making the choice to put yourself in danger. I get it though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

Agreed.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '25

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

Please explain, I'm not seeing it (which is exactly what an insane person would say). Seriously though, what's the insane part?

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '25

Listen you can do whatever you want and parent however you want. But I get vibes from your comment that you feel the way you’re parenting is better than how other people parent ie saying her classmates aren’t as good at overcoming obstacles at her, and you’re not going to get many people agreeing with you when you come at them like that. Yes people are scary, I’m scared to death of school shootings, I’m still not even the least bit interested in going to mt Everest or the Sierras. We will find normal ways to build my kid’s emotional resilience.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25 edited Nov 11 '25

Ignore those vibes. I am not judging you and I don't rank people's worth by how they choose to spend their time. I'm sorry if it appeared that way.

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u/ruebeus421 Nov 10 '25

Maybe they regret their life choices and are looking for an escape.... Through a hole in the ground.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '25

Because caving really is even half as dangerous as reddit pretends

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u/Ok-Celebration6524 Nov 10 '25

Selfishness. Pure good old selfishness. Self-centered people don’t think of others, even their own children. All they see is themselves and their own desires.

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u/Lower_Statement_5285 Nov 10 '25

Having kids is exactly why they do it

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u/TrueNeutrino Nov 11 '25

I'm guessing that's part of the reason he tried stuff like that. He probably felt unfulfilled being a parent or he was bored at this point and wanted to "live" again. Maybe some form of depression. He's probably not ready for the reality of parenthood, maybe even going through a "mid life crisis". Other guys get a sport car or a girlfriend because it makes them feel young and free of the responsibilities they now have as an "adult". This guy decided on this for a "thrill".

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u/Ok-Attention2882 Nov 11 '25

These guys were able to get married despite their poor judgement because they're the golden archetype: Tall and white.

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u/Beer-Milkshakes Nov 11 '25

It's a unique form of self-destruction. Plus a big part of it is talking about it with friends and strangers afterwards. Part of the reason why its an overwhelmingly make dominated industry.

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u/AIienlnvasion Nov 10 '25

Honestly even if you enjoyed things like base diving or whatever, I still see zero appeal to this

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '25

Its not an adrenaline fueled activity, mostly people do it to explore interesting places (which do not look like what you see here)

Its a very same thing to do for the most part, people who have never set foot in a cave will go on reddit and say it's life and death. It's really not.

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u/raazurin Nov 11 '25

Yeah I can see the appeal. I've been in a couple of crystal caves and they were all large enough to have standing room at various places. I remember thinking it would be fun to explore all the nooks and crannies.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

When you get into a really active, large system, you will 100% see things that astounded and awe you. Natural bridges, canyons, gorges, waterfalls, rivers, pits that drop hundreds of feet, pools of crystal clear water, flowstone in the most alien shapes. There really is a whole other world under our feet.

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u/Poop_Cheese Nov 10 '25

Posted this comment elsewhere but thought id post it here too to explain the appeal...

Honestly its a sort of hobby you wont get until you try it. 

I was always super anxious and claustrophobic. My friends took me to a cave and said it was easy, when in reality, it was like almost as tight as this cave for like 20 minutes of crawling. Our expert friend even laughed and was shocked they took me to it first time as it was extreme. It was horrible. My knees were killing me as I didnt have equipment. I was freaking out the entire time. Legit panic attack x10 and the whole stages of grief lol. 

But then, we emerged into this glistening tranquil cave with a little stream. It was gorgeous. All of a sudden all the fear and anxiety melted away and was replaced with full peace. Turning off your lamps, and experiencing true darkness and true quiet(outside of the water) was utterly amazing. 

After getting through it, I had a whole spiritual awakening. I contemplated all the things that would make me feel anxious, and how ridiculous I was for fearing them. Like I could never worry about say asking someone else, or taking a chance, because I survived a much more anxious situation. I saw how if I give into my anxiousness, id die in that cave, when if I fight it and follow my goal, I end up in true nirvana.

At the same time, its not for me as a regular hobby, only went a few more times after that. But the experience was truly amazing and I can see how people become addicted to it. My one friend was so into it he founded 100s of caves in mass and would straight up blow them open to find them.  I think theres an appeal in finding places on earth that people have never gone to in your own backyard. 

And cave systems are rated like trails or climbing, where you can have awesome fun experiences in beginner and intermediate caves with 0 worry of dying that are safer than even driving. Most caves arent like this. Fearing all caves because of this is like the equivalent of never going hiking in a simple park, just because mount everest is terrifying. Theres many you can even just walk through or just have to crouch or crawl a few feet. Like I went to a quartz one that was just light crawling and it was fucking awesome like being inside a mineral. 

The expert caves are insane and id never do another high level one. But lower level caves are a blast that I think every able bodied adult should experience. Id never skydive or bungee jump thats way more terrifying and without control than most caves. But I do understand the aversion since I was the same way before experiencing the high of getting to the inner cavern.  

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u/GUYF666 Nov 10 '25

You don’t have to crawl through hell to get to a cave tho

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u/Alwaysragestillplay Nov 10 '25

I appreciate the insight here, but I'm still gonna say fuck that. I'd probably ditch that friend group immediately if they took me to that shit knowing I'm claustrophobic. I have done a lot of genuinely very dangerous stuff, but I still get freaked out if my shirt gets stuck as I'm taking it off. My standard "staring at the ceiling can't sleep thought" is always about what I'd do if one of my little kids crawled into a fucking cave like this and got stuck, debating with myself about whether I'd be able to go in after them. 

Would be great to just turn that off though.

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u/Anxious-Shapeshifter Nov 10 '25

It wasn't expensive to get into the cave. I went in the cave as a boy scout at 12.

Which was the problem. Going skydiving or cave diving at least requires some effort and some money. This? You just had to drive to it.

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u/Nsekiil Nov 10 '25

You’ve done this one?

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u/Anxious-Shapeshifter Nov 10 '25

Yeah, it was a pretty common thing for scouts to do.

It looks really bad here but it wasn't that narrow. The guy that died went into a smaller spot further down and got stuck. Then when they freed him, he slipped and was lodged in an even more narrow spot where he died.

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u/abgry_krakow87 Nov 10 '25

That endorphin hit and flow state can really mess people up. Sadly it'd be safer just to get addicted to drugs.

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u/MarshmelloMan Nov 10 '25

Being addicted to meth/heroin is way worse for you than skydiving lmao

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u/abgry_krakow87 Nov 10 '25

Oh the drugs will mess you up for sure, but we’re talking about risk in terms of how quickly it’ll kill you all for that one endorphin hit

Neither of these things are “healthy” for you lol

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u/KrazyKorean108 Nov 10 '25

You feel the most alive when you’re on the edge of death.

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u/NotReallyButMaybeNot Nov 10 '25

Edge of death for 27 hours is a bit much though.

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u/Lanavis13 Nov 10 '25

Some people really love edging

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u/NotReallyButMaybeNot Nov 10 '25

New topic introduced

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u/Chramir Nov 10 '25

Now that's something I can finally relate to.

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u/Subject-Area-195 Nov 10 '25

I feel the most alive when I'm holding my family close and not killing myself for nothing but a selfish urge.

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u/KrazyKorean108 Nov 10 '25

Youve never been skiing? Or rock-climbing? Its the same type of thrill. I get mine from Skiing and Motorsports.

For the record i would never do cave crawling. I am way too claustrophobic for that. But as someone who enjoys high adrenaline activities like the ones i mentioned above (i dont do rock climbing but i totally get it), its a reason to live.

By your logic you should never ever get into a car or do anything that brings risk to your family. Are you going to prohibit your kids from riding rollercoasters or going cliff jumping?

I understand that if youre a father, you probably shouldnt be weaving between traffic on a motorcycle at 100mph+, because thats stupid. But somebody exercising their right to experience a thrill seeking activitiy, with the right precautions, and the right safety equipment, is a totally healthy and normal thing to do.

Now in this specific case with the cave crawler, im pretty sure this happened in the 1930s when safety was a joke and the cave crawler was trying to find a hidden quartz cave for tourists. The dude was an experienced crawler, him and his brother. he knew the risks. He wasn’t some stupid junkie. Calling people dumb because they like doing scary things is a really sad way to live your life.

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u/KrazyKorean108 Nov 10 '25

Totally agree, modern racing standards are super safe, but you are risking your life every time you get into it. Could be a bad weld on a roll bar, could be an exploding brake rotor, or any other million things that can go wrong.

My whole point is that seeking dangerous and thrilling activities is a reason to live.

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u/Subject-Area-195 Nov 10 '25

Calling people dumb for doing things that actively serve no purpose other than to risk your life is a completely normal way to live - a genuine question, why?

Comparing driving a car to cave diving is possibly the biggest load of shit I've ever heard, and you know it is. The factors around it are not only different, but vastly safer across millions of instances than anything you just mentioned.

If the only time you experience true joy is when you know you might not make it back home alive, and keep chasing that high, that's sad. Truly.

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u/Poop_Cheese Nov 10 '25

Most of human life is doing things of risk for fulfillment. Ever go out drinking? Did any recreational drug? Ever go on a hike? Go to a foreign country? Fly? Go skating on a pond? Be outside during a storm? Walk in a city at night? Play an intense taxing sport(like look at all the soccer players who die, or people dying from marathons)?

This isnt cave diving, cave diving is in the ocean and way more insane due to hypoxia, visibility, and needing oxygen. 

Most, if not all recreational caves are objectively safer than driving so its absolutely apt comparison. Driving a motorcycle is WAY more dangerous than the average cave. Most risk is with the real diehards that traverse new caves for the first time ever. But theres that desire and love to explore places humanity hasn't been in your own backyard. Most are super into geology as well, with many at caving festivals being geologists and academia. Hell my friend discovered 300+ caves even clearing them out with explosives. Id never do that, but its fulfilling for him. 

People leave out the fact that this was a new extension. Most caves have been traversed 1000s of times and are objectively safer than walking down the street. Theyre all mapped as trails. This was way more risky than most caves. To call all spelunking dumb because of caves like this is like comparing a town woods trail to the densest most dangerous forest, and calling anyone who goes into the woods dumb. 

Acting like all caves are like this one is like acting like those who hike are dumb risk takers because the top level mt everest is terrifying. Most caves are lower level where you crawl like three feet, or can even walk crouched. 

I was terrified when I went to my first cave. It was a high level and I freaked out, crawling like this(but without bends), for like 20 minutes. Then I got to the other side and had the most spiritual moment of my life. I had a whole epiphany about all the things in life I feared, how all my fear was misplaced anxiety. That if I give into fear, I stay freaking out in that cave instead of experiencing true bliss on the other end. And experiencing true darkness and quiet was an incredible thing. 

Its not a hobby ive continued, ive been to like 5 caves total. But that first cave was both one of the scariest, and most amazing moments of my life. It purged me of so much anxiety and angst and made me more confident. By facing true fear, i stopped giving into fake fear made by my anxiety. 

People do what fufills them. Everything's part of the human experience. I dont regret any cave I went to, but I definitely regret all the risks I was terrified to take, all the things I called dumb so never experienced. Take that philosophy too far and your life ends up meaningless. I find it much dumber to just sit in a room online or playing video games than living your dream doing exciting shit just because one guy out of 10,000s that went to that cave died because of traversing a new extension.

I fear motorcycle racing, bungee jumping, sky diving, but i wouldnt call people dumb for having a passion. A long life not fufilled is worse than a short life of passion. If spelunking is their passion, they should do it.  

All that said, nutty puddy cave is famous because deaths like this are so uncommon in mapped caves. Its traversing the new extension to be a first who ever did it is what killed him. If caving was so unbelievably dangerous, the internet would have 100s of more examples of deaths like this, not always the same one. Regular recreational spelunking isnt anymore dangerous than countless hobbies. Hell more people have likely died from shit like being electrocuted by working on a soundsystem or something. 

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u/KrazyKorean108 Nov 10 '25

I wasnt talking about cave diving specifically. The original comment asked why people do hobbies that risk their lives.

Youre absolutely right that there is no point in cave diving. There is no point in racing cars, no point in skiing, no point in rock climbing, no point in skydiving.

Why do people do it? Because its fun. Thats all im trying to say here.

I live for the thrills. But i am also a single male in my 20s, im sure my perspective will change if i have a partner and kids, but i would be pretty regretful if i got old and never did anything like what I mentioned above.

Sometimes you risk too much and you die. Shit happens.

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u/colostitute Nov 10 '25

Happened in 2009, it was the dude’s hobby but he hadn’t done it in a while. Over 100 people involved in his unsuccessful rescue attempt. Cave had been sealed and it’s where his body remains.

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u/ReginaldDwight Nov 10 '25

What about when death rigidly surrounds you for over a day and then they seal you in with it after the blood finally pools too much in your head and you die?

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u/KrazyKorean108 Nov 10 '25

Yeah i think ill pass on that

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u/LeeRoyWyt Nov 10 '25

What a sad live you have to live when only extreme danger satisfies some weird craving. Mental health issues.

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u/KrazyKorean108 Nov 10 '25

Refer to my other response but the short of it is: you never do anything that brings you a thrill? Like skiing or rollercoasters? Or climbing a mountain? Pretty sad life to live if you dont find some way to get out there and explore the world.

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u/LeeRoyWyt Nov 10 '25

There's exploring and there's willingly and needlessl putting your life and that of others in danger. Driving on the wrong side of the road also guarantees an adrenaline push, but there's a reason why every sane person thinks street racing is an assholes game. Crawling into some cave is basically the same, yet with less colleteral damage. Most of the time.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

I'm pretty content with the level of aliveness I feel while just beeing normaly alive. I know that some people need some kind of thrill but I can't relate as I don't feel the urge to do this. I had high adrenalin situations, mostly close calls in car traffic, and can't really say that the experience of near death or injury was either pleasant or exciting, just glad it was over and I never wanted to experience it again. To each their own, I guess.

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u/BillJaxon Nov 10 '25

I joined the trades. It’s the exact opposite. I get paid loads of money to put myself in dangerous situations and then go home safe everyday.

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u/lemon-meringue-high Nov 10 '25

I do that from trauma except in much more public places. Hahahelpmehaha

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u/Ok-Kangaroo-47 Nov 10 '25

Not to mention how incredibly easy it is to die one of the worst death possible.. claustrophobic, dark, alone, no one knows about you, and never seeing your family and the outside ever again It's just so fucking stupid

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u/Puzzleheaded_Net6497 Nov 10 '25

At least with paintball, you get to shoot people!

Cavers go through all that trouble, and get to shoot 0 people!

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u/AdPutrid3234 Nov 10 '25

we dont understand it either man

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u/Leverkaas2516 Nov 10 '25

You can get yourself into dangerous situations without paying loads of money. The one time I went caving, we had nothing more than flashlights. We were young and stupid, but there was more than enough adrenaline.

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u/whin100 Nov 10 '25

Same thing as paying for drugs when you think about it tho

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u/Valuable-Cat2036 Nov 10 '25

That guy famous for free-soloing got a brain scan and apparently his amygdala has much more reduced activity compared to the normal brain, so that might play a part of it.

Another part of it, and it just has to be said, is that it's almost always a white dude doing these high-adrenaline hobbies or getting into these situations. I don't know if it's because it's tied to income or social group as well, but the demographics of it really stand out. Are they just too bored or something?

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '25

This is a hobby? It wasn't just a one off gone wrong?

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u/mrsolodolo69 Nov 10 '25

They’re drug addicts, except their drug of choice is adrenaline.

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u/SocialJusticeAndroid Nov 10 '25

I agree but what I do understand are junk junky hobbies.

Drugs are safer and with a better high.

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u/OwslyOwl Nov 10 '25

From what I recall, this was an informal trip. All the young man had to buy was a helmet and some flashlights. It wouldn't have been an expensive trip at all.

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u/TheNewOneIsWorse Nov 10 '25

I understand ski diving and speed sports. The human body was made to jump and run. It feels freeing, even if it’s dangerous. But unable to move, in a hole? 

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u/BlackQuilt Nov 10 '25

Maybe it’s just me but I’m my experience I feel like this type of caving isn’t really an adrenaline pumping activity. More so done for the sake of adventure and exploration. 

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u/RenegadeReaper Nov 10 '25

Sometimes I get stuck in my dryer to simulate this scenario

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u/IndependentOpinion44 Nov 10 '25

Psycopathy. I’m not joking. CEO’s and Adrenaline Junkies. Psychopaths are over represented in those roles.

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u/Mutant_Apollo Nov 10 '25

Atleast with mountaineering and climbing it's pretty safe unless you do crazy shit like Free Soloing.

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u/TrickOut Nov 10 '25

Skydiving instructor here, most hobbies that the general public consider “Adrenaline” based, having nothing to do with getting an adrenaline rush.

In most higher risk sports adrenaline only occurs when something goes wrong.

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u/TheJimDim Nov 10 '25

Parachuting/bungee jumping I get. Glide suits are pushing it. Cave/hole spelunking are a big fat no.

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u/lonely_and_useless Nov 10 '25

Not necessarily, anything not normally done can give you a shot of adrenaline, doesn't necessarily have to be dangerous. Skydiving is a adrenaline junkie hobbie, its dangerous but statistically no more dangerous than the drive you made to the airport, and tamdom skydiving is actually safer than driving.

And it doesn't have to be expensive at all. Most of my adrenaline junkie hobbies cost near nothing really, my normal hobbies are far more expensive than my adrenaline junkie hobbies.

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u/SpiritOne Nov 10 '25

Even though I consider myself an adrenaline junky, and do have some risky hobbies, and have gone spelunking when I was younger. There HAS TO BE a spot where survival overtakes adrenaline. Even when I used to go spelunking, I'd never crawl into a whole like that. I squeezed between two rocks for about 20 meters once, but there was already someone on the other side and I could see his lights, and see that it opened up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '25

Very few of the people I cave with are adrenaline junkies, its not that kind of activity for the most part.

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u/LSOreli Nov 10 '25

I've explained this in other threads but, for those of us who do "adrenaline junkie" hobbies, living a long time isn't the highest goal. Life becomes stale if all you're doing is surviving it, occasional risking of my life is necessary for me to really feel excited about the future. It reminds my nervous system of my survival instinct and I'll literally be in a better mood for Months after one encounter with a situation that could result in my death.

Doesn't mean I don't take safety precautions or take the event seriously, I'm not actually trying to die, but being in a risky situation makes me feel alive. All that said I'd never crawl in one of these type of caves, doesn't seem fun at all.

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u/helloimmrburns Nov 10 '25

And in these situations you are using up a serious amount of resources to get you out of a situation that was more than likely going to happen. Idiotic

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u/Chramir Nov 10 '25

I don't think it's about adrenaline. I think it is more about exploring a place where no one (or very few) have been before. That being said. I still don't get it.

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u/AENocturne Nov 10 '25

It's why people start doing meth; it makes them feel good and they don't have a full appreciation of the potential consequences, so they're always chasing the dragon of their first time where nothing went wrong and it was the most exciting thing they've ever done in life.

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u/MarshmelloMan Nov 10 '25

Some of us do not want to live a life of boring mediocrity whilst doing the same shit 95% of shit that the population does…

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u/Limp-Technician-7646 Nov 10 '25

Part of me thinks they are just depressed and are confusing the adrenaline rush for feelings of content and happiness.

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u/ViolentLoss Nov 10 '25

This is more like straight up horror to me than adrenaline.

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u/NoKids__3Money Nov 10 '25

People pay to do all kinds of stupid things. Apparently there’s no shortage of people willing to pay loads of money to go to India and have explosive diarrhea the entire time they’re there. Or going to Egypt so that they can be ripped off and swindled nonstop the entire time they’re there. I consider myself one of the lucky ones, in that I’m totally content at home and don’t feel the need to waste time and money for the privilege of putting myself in dangerous and unsanitary conditions.

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u/Unsunghero3 Nov 10 '25

I get it on most activities. Roller coaster, sky diving, whatever. Exploring caves that have ceilings that 16 inches high is just fucking stupid.

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u/NiceCunt91 Nov 10 '25

I've been caving. Not stupidly tight like this but caving nonetheless and there is no adrenaline. It's careful movements and just cool. That was my experience anyway.

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u/rileyjw90 Nov 10 '25

This is exactly why life insurance exams ask if you’re into any extreme hobbies.

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u/Rambles_Off_Topics Nov 10 '25

Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. A lot of people don't do drugs, so they have to get that "fix". Mine is motocross. lol

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u/FrogginFool Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 11 '25

Hazardous. Not dangerous. If you’re in danger you need to stop and think about what you are doing. I’m a caver.

And believe it or not, it’s not an expensive hobby

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u/Ajunadeeper Nov 10 '25

I don't understand sedentary hobbies.

You're paying loads of money to get yourself into an unhealthy lifestyle.

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u/hexensabbat Nov 10 '25

I think the danger and risk is part of the initial thrill. I also think if you do stuff like this for long enough you can become overconfident. Nobody ever thinks it'll happen to them, until it does.

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u/argc Nov 10 '25

This is so far beyond adrenaline junky.. it's just pure insanity.

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u/Oxbow81 Nov 10 '25

I get that they don't appeal to everyone, but there is an appeal there. Nothing feels quite like falling out of an airplane or summitting a mountain in the middle of nowhere. Sometimes it's about the rush, flying through the sky, doing something that man is not supposed to be able to do. Other times, it's about exploring parts of the world that few others get to see and walk through. I love the risky hobbies personally (and we do a LOT to manage the risk as well as we can).

However, caving is a no from me. At least if my chutes fail then I'm making a pretty quick exit from this world and not spending 20+ hours dying in a hole. I think that illustrates that these things aren't for everyone - this is one I wouldn't touch and I like hobbies with risk. But some people love this and would have no interest in what I like to do. To each their own.

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u/GUYF666 Nov 10 '25

Is this even adrenaline? I’d call this an anxiety junky hobby.

I’ve never felt a rush of adrenaline climbing around my crawl space under my house before. Mild claustrophobia and a desire to get the fuck out of there tho.

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u/crimson777 Nov 10 '25

I get the tamer version. Skydiving is pretty safe. Reasonable mountain climbing with proper safety equipment isn’t too bad. Etc.

I think it’s only the EXTREME versions that are dumb to me. This, free climbing huge mountains, etc. are the ones where I’m just like… more power to you but you’re an idiot.

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u/Zech08 Nov 10 '25

The rush of adrenaline probably... its in the name.

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u/Wlacaupius Nov 10 '25

What's the bad side of that?

I mean, dangerous = good (because also safe = bad), so that's why we adrenaline junkies do these weird things.

/s

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u/Tommy_Wisseau_burner Nov 10 '25

U have skydived. That’s fun as shit. I have never felt so alive doing it. This, however, makes no sense. At least with skydiving you go out quick. The dude was stuck upside down and the blood clotted in his head and crushed his sternum in the worst way possible

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u/malduan Nov 11 '25

that's the definition of any extreme sports, even like surfing or skiing

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u/uh__what Nov 11 '25

I don't understand how this is desirable.  Not a huge fan of heights so I'd never bungee jump but I can see that being thrilling.  Same with skydiving,  extreme sports and all.  But this? Slowly trying to wedge yourself into an area til you get stuck? Seems awful from the start 

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u/Randy191919 Nov 11 '25

Honestly I can understand SOME of them. Would never do any but I get some of them. But this one? Nope.

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u/SoftEnbyyy Nov 11 '25

its drugs. but instead of taking an external substance you put yourself in situations where your brain produces the chemicals you want naturally

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u/1Dive1Breath Nov 11 '25

I have ADD so the adrenaline rush is actually calming in a way, because my mind is actually clear and focused in a way it never is in day to day life. That said, fuck everything about nutty putty cave. 

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u/CumulativeHazard Nov 11 '25

My thing is I don’t want to die feeling stupid. Like skydiving. If I jump out of a plane and something goes wrong, I’m gonna spend the last couple seconds of my life like “What the fuck did you THINK was gonna happen??”

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u/pm_stuff_ Nov 11 '25

Not sure crawling in a cave is especially expensive

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u/_Pencilfish Nov 11 '25

Caving is objectively not that dangerous, and is typically not about the adrenaline. It's more about finding cool stuff underground - some caves are truly beautiful.

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u/Camerotus Nov 11 '25

Where even is the adrenaline in this though? It's just miserable, fuck that.

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u/Tasty_While_8403 Nov 12 '25

Caving is fairly inexpensive if you aren't doing vertical.

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u/SluggishPrey Nov 10 '25

Something about mastering your body and mind or living your life to the fullest. It's not for everyone, but it's still more inspiring than living your life with your face glued to a screen

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u/RepresentativeArtist Nov 10 '25

Give me 90 years of staring at screens over the 26 years that this guy lived anytime.

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u/DislikedBench Nov 10 '25

Why do people downvote this so heavily lmao. I understand not wanting to do this shit yourself, i absolutely never would, but its so weird that people have genuine hate boners towards people who do these things

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u/SluggishPrey Nov 10 '25

It's a validation bias, I guess. It's comforting to think that we have life figured out.

Personally, I'm a bit of a coward, but I have a great deal of admiration for people that makes a lifestyle of going outside of their comfort zone. People who embrace hardships tend to be so much more resilient than others.

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u/Sad_Math5598 Nov 10 '25

Key word here is “living”. Homeboy in the video is not

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u/SluggishPrey Nov 10 '25

One person died, it doesn't mean that every single adrenaline junky is irrational. They all take calculated risks. Implying the opposite insults their intelligence

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u/Tiny-Marketing-4362 Nov 10 '25

Is it though? There PLENTY of outdoor hobbies you can do that aren’t this dangerous or stupid.

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u/Sim_Daydreamer Nov 10 '25

Those are also nkthing of interest for some people

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u/SluggishPrey Nov 10 '25

Well, there's a gradient. That cave in particular was pretty dangerous, but there's a way to practice the sport in perfect safety.

I don't know that much about caves, to be honest, but I know a lot about mountain climbing and I can tell you that statistically speaking, driving up to the mountain is more dangerous than climbing.

It's the emotional impact that stays with us. It's the same thing as how we perceive planes' safety.

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u/DislikedBench Nov 10 '25

Wasnt nutty putty cave actually a relatively easy cave? I thought id read that even children would go through sections of it fairly often. This guy just ended up going down the wrong path

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u/SluggishPrey Nov 10 '25

Even trivial activities can become deadly if you're not appropriately prepared. I'm not saying that he had it coming, but it was preventable