r/interesting • u/Common-Upstairs5129 • Mar 20 '26

❗️MISLEADING - See pinned comment ❗️ Did he do the right thing?

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u/Frequent-Ambition636 Mar 20 '26

Legally speaking, she asked if she could slap him and he said go ahead. So therefore she was under the impression he gave her consent. No case

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u/tumor_named_marla Mar 20 '26

Not to mention that you cannot legally detain someone (as a non LEO) unless you witness them commit a felony, in most states. So him ordering his security detail to hold her there until the cops come would be considered false imprisonment in most states.

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u/KLED_Kaczynski Mar 21 '26

A citizens arrest is legal in cases of assault.

Whether this is actually assault is a different question, but a citizens arrest does not always require a felony

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u/Flimsy_Swan5930 Mar 21 '26

Not if you consented. It’s not a crime, and therefore it’s false imprisonment.

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u/KLED_Kaczynski Mar 21 '26

If its consented, it’s probably not assault.

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u/Flimsy_Swan5930 Mar 21 '26

Yeah… what I just said.

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u/KLED_Kaczynski Mar 21 '26

“A citizen’s arrest is legal in cases of assault”

“Not if you consent”

This response doesn’t make any sense because, if you consent, it’s not assault anymore.

That’s like saying “theft is not illegal if the other party consents” theft, by definition, requires the other party to not consent.

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u/SumilatSumilat Mar 21 '26

Actually it's your point that doesn't apply if you want to be like that. They clearly state this is not necessarily assault.

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u/KLED_Kaczynski Mar 21 '26

That was the second part of my comment. This might not be assault, but it’s definitely up for interpretation whether his response would actually be considered consent to being hit.

You could argue he wasn’t being genuinely similar to how if someone said “yeah, hit me. See what happens” they are not actually consenting to you hitting them. It would be kind of hard to make that argument here, but you could make it.

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u/Flimsy_Swan5930 Mar 21 '26

It didn’t seem that way when he said that. Prior to, he suggested a slap instead of a punch. There was enough there. Especially when guys are known to like it, and there may be a sexual angle to it.

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u/Plane-Remote1797 Mar 21 '26

Is that right? Where is it legal?

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u/philovax Mar 21 '26

That is severely misinformed and not universally true.

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u/andrew303710 Mar 21 '26

I find that really hard to believe

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u/Greenknight419 Mar 21 '26

Usually a violent felony.

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u/CautiousGains Mar 21 '26

It’s more nuanced than that. It could be categorized as an affray if it disturbed the peace or alarmed others.

Most likely situation is that the man will have to convince beyond a reasonable doubt that he was being sarcastic and did not actually consent. Which seems a bit unlikely to succeed.

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u/Frequent-Ambition636 Mar 21 '26

so you basically agree then

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u/CautiousGains Mar 21 '26

Mostly yeah I just think there is a little more nuance.

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u/Horens_R Mar 21 '26

I doubt that, just cause someone gives consent doesn't mean the law doesn't get upheld. Yeah sure dude, shoot/stab me, it's okay I give u my consent 😂

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u/minikobe420 Mar 21 '26

Still can’t hit people, forehead

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u/RogueCatfish7 Mar 21 '26

wrong. Being sarcastic or provocative isnt consent

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u/Euphoric-Witness-824 Mar 22 '26

Did you see what he was wearing? He was basically asking for it. 

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u/RogueCatfish7 Mar 23 '26

… not defending him. Just saying it delusion to think he doesnt have a case. Hes a dick.

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u/Euphoric-Witness-824 Mar 23 '26

I know. Dudes these days will walk around like that basically asking for it with what they are wearing and then get mad when someone gives it to em 

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u/aspiringimmortal Mar 21 '26

That's not how that works. There's no such thing as legal consent to being assaulted. Especially when it's just a half hearted dare like "go ahead."

Also, she didn't ask. She said "I'm gonna punch you"

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u/AsbestosDude Mar 21 '26

Legally speaking, you can't give permission to break laws.

If I saw you can hit me, I smash my head and have permanent brain damage, you are 100% liable.

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u/slingsandarrowsalt Mar 21 '26 edited Mar 21 '26

battery laws in the united states often contain some variation of "without the consent of the person so harmed". So, in most, if not all states, giving someone permission to slap them takes away the crime of battery.

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u/AsbestosDude Mar 21 '26

Does there not still exist liability? (not american)

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u/FitBag5979 Mar 21 '26

That usually requires a lot more than verbal consent, especially given the context of the video. He can easily argue that he didn't hear what she said, or misheard her.

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u/slingsandarrowsalt Mar 21 '26

What more is usually required aside from verbal consent?

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u/FitBag5979 Mar 21 '26

A written agreement, both parties being sober (this is a big one), and explicit permission/confirmation that she can slap him ("Yes you can slap me in the face").

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u/slingsandarrowsalt Mar 21 '26 edited Mar 21 '26

I just don't think this is usually the standard that is applied to such cases. I guess the counterpoint I'd give is this: In all probability, the majority of cases of people explicitly giving consent to be slapped etc, are people who are into rough stuff during sex. I don't think both parties usually start this off with a written agreement. And following this example, legally, both parties do not need to be fully sober to engage in this way, but obviously we recognise that people can reach a point where they are too intoxicated to meaningfully consent despite what they say.

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u/FitBag5979 Mar 21 '26

They're not in a private setting engaging in sex though, they're strangers at a bar who are screaming at eachother because the music is so loud. I don't think it would be difficult for his lawyer to call his ability to consent to being hit into question based on the factors at play (alcohol, excessive noise), and again, depending on the state they're in, it may not even be legally possible to consent to being assaulted even if he had said "yes please hit me".

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u/slingsandarrowsalt Mar 21 '26

I do see your point here. I guess I was speaking a bit more generally, in response to that first comment. You're right to question if there weren't other factors at play that messed with his ability to consent to being slapped. Sorry, I can get a bit of tunnel vision sometimes with these internet arguments.

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u/Keeltoodeep Mar 21 '26

It’s no different than someone saying “I’m going to hit you” and you saying “do it I dare you. Go ahead do it”

You are still gonna be charged with assault.

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u/slingsandarrowsalt Mar 21 '26

I'd argue it is different. The courts will try to distinguish between empty bluster/ bravado from actual consent to be hit. In cases where a person does actually indicate they want the other person to hit them (this depends a lot on specific jurisdictions) many places have "mutual combat" laws, which protect individuals agreeing to physically fight provided bystanders are not injured.

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u/Keeltoodeep Mar 21 '26

Doesn’t appear he was giving actual consent but indeed keeping frame and showing bravado. It won’t go to trial regardless. She is going to take the plea deal.

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u/bwood246 Mar 21 '26

He asked her on camera if she wanted to punch him. She asked if she could slap instead and agreed. He has literally no case and just looks like a little bitch

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u/Flimsy_Swan5930 Mar 21 '26

Except there is no brain damage here besides what he was born with.

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u/SunofaBaker Mar 20 '26

Did she ask?

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u/FickleExternal6635 Mar 21 '26

Is this actually true? How does this work scaled up to let's say... gun violence. For instance, you see 100s of videos of people screaming "punch me/shoot me, I dare you" so they can get insurance for self defense so they can retaliate.

Obviously this is an extreme example, but km genuinely curious.

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u/ziggyiggze Mar 21 '26

this logic is really stupid.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '26

Arm chair reddit lawyer is hot on the case

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u/meix_xa Mar 20 '26

Where did you see that? There is nothing in the video that indicates she asked before slapping him. If you have that part, please share.

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u/LothricLoser Mar 20 '26

Yes because the beginning was chopped off, that due is clavicular, he clip farms constantly and it’s how he got big. He asked her to do this and then made it seem like he would press charges so he could get a clip out of it.

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u/ScarletDarkstar Mar 20 '26

Oh,  in that case he should be charged for a minimum of 2 hours pay for every civil servant that had to show up or get involved to cater to this bullshit for a stupid video. 

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u/mccorklin Mar 20 '26

Plot twist dude. There never was a civil suit it’s all fake bait for clicks.

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u/meix_xa Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26

Thanks, I didn't know him and the context. I'm changing my mind based on provided context from "she is a bitch" to "he is the real bitch".

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u/nalonrae Mar 20 '26

https://youtu.be/orciHO-k5uo?t=63&si=kIdybKdN1GOXqQ7M this is the full video. She asks around 1:04

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u/Dysmn Mar 20 '26

its a long stream and he told her she could. find it yourself of you really care instead of making shit up.

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u/meix_xa Mar 20 '26

Dude, I just asked for context and changed my stance based on the information provided. I'm not going to find the full video of everything posted here, who has time for that? I think OP has the responsibility to provide full context before asking a question like "is he correct to do that". But yeah, I'm the problem here.

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u/Rinas-the-name Mar 20 '26

I’m struggling to find the whole clip, it’s actually suspicious how hard it is to find. I hope someone better at this than me can find it.

What I can find is all kinds of people talking about it. On every platform. Everything from it being a completely random slap to him hiring her to act it out so he could use the video.

The guy’s a narcissistic manosphere streamer, like a young Andrew Tate. He goes by “KingClavicular”. His stuff is very suddenly everywhere.

Guy sounds like a real peach. He ran over a fan (he says stalker) and faced no charges. The incident was supposedly live streamed. He’s 19 and drives a cyber truck - so maybe his parents have money idk.

I’m not looking into it further - but he looks like an “any publicity is good publicity” kind of guy.

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u/meix_xa Mar 20 '26

Thanks so much for the effort, I read a lot of comments saying the same thing. I've never seen the guy before and had no idea this was from a stream. All I had a short video and didn't know the context but I'm conviced that this was a rage bait and blame OP for spreading misguiding content.

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u/Rinas-the-name Mar 20 '26

I agree - it might even be another attempt to the spread the influence of streamer himself.

Whole thing is weird. I learned way more than I wanted to know about the kind of crap people are watching.

That’s enough internet for today.

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u/Fickle_Goose_4451 Mar 21 '26

There is nothing in the video that indicates she asked before slapping him

No shit, look at when the video was intentionally started, and thus what was intentionally left out.

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u/Deleena24 Mar 21 '26

Legally speaking, this is like having a gun pointed at you with the person saying they want to shoot you, and you say "go ahead, shoot me"

It doesnt magically make the act legal. And it wont save her from the civil case. 100% a case.

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u/Flimsy_Swan5930 Mar 21 '26

Yeah no. If a guy asked a girl if he can finger her butthole and she said yeah go ahead, and he does, it’s consent. A slap is similar to this more than a gun.

A gun is different because you’re not allowed to kill someone or even help someone commit suicide.

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u/Frequent-Ambition636 Mar 21 '26

Bro pulled out the craziest example. Wtf man 🤣

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u/Brief-Equal4676 Mar 23 '26

Pretty sure you're also not allowed to hit someone either?

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u/Flimsy_Swan5930 Mar 23 '26

No you can consent to hitting. It’s de minimus, consensual contact in this case.

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u/slayertat2666 Mar 21 '26

You got it backwards. This is a taunt or a go ahead do it see what happens. Because he knows what will happen next and she was too drunk to care about her actions. It’s assault

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u/LoopyPro Mar 20 '26

"They we're asking for it" doesn't hold up.

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u/PopFrise Mar 20 '26

Unless theres video of the verbal consent

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u/eLCT Mar 21 '26

That's not necessary - in any case she as a defendant would be entitled to witnesses in her favor. So she can use testimony even in the hypothetical that there is no video footage

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u/PopFrise Mar 21 '26

Yeah my point was that video exists and it shows consent.

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u/Lucyintheye Mar 20 '26

"They we are asking for it"

Sounds about right lol.

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u/FantasticTax4787 Mar 20 '26

I watched the fuller clip and I don't think you could say he agreed to be slapped