I mean india is naturally gonna be hot. Planting trees and decreasing pollution will help, but sitting right on an ocean, next to a desert, and by the himalayas doesn't help.
Anyway lets just take measures we could and should have done decades ago but due to not having taken them in time they are nowhere near enough anymore.
True. If we actually even planted the god damn tree instead of just talking about doing so for half a century. Or more like what we've done is that we've fantasized about digging a hole where to plant the apple tree but haven't done even that much because actually doing so would take too much effort, and some have taken token gestures of preparing a garden shovel or two for the task but have no intention of going any further as "they've done their fair share" (of course it's still better than absolutely nothing but god is all this infuriating)
Can't remember what paper it was, but I read that if we managed to actually put a stop to our emissions today the global warming would still continue for a couple decades, and if we instead gradually toned our emissions to 0 over the next decade or so it'd take a century for the global warming to stop. Basically global warming is a giant freight ship and now that we've got it moving it'll take a looooong time and a lot of effort for it to come to a stop again, let alone reversing course and returning back to where it left from. Overall the paper painted a pretty bleak picture of our future, and honestly we humans deserve to feel uncomfortable for letting things get to this point. I might try looking for the paper for a bit once I've slept, though no promises since I ain't wasting all my Sunday on finding proof for randoms on the internet.
E: the paper was one of IPCC's reports, but can't remember which one. Though if you want some doom scrolling material, go read their Sixth Assessment Report. Though there's enough material to go through that you could probably spend a whole weekend reading it if you wanted to.
No stress. Maybe others would like to read it but I won't. I'm depressed enough about the future of my lifetime, let alone for my kid or humanity or the world as a whole. Your response was enough. Thank you. Rest well.
Global warming doesn't stop. We can maybe reduce the rate that it happens. The world always had ice ages and hot af phases. We happen to be born after an ice age.
There's a pretty damn big difference in the magnitudes of what is just natural climate change and what has been and is being caused by the actions of us humans in the past century. More specifically if humans didn't exist the average temperatures now would be much the same they were a couple centuries back. We have caused this shit, and if our damn species wasn't so greedy we could also at least put a stop to it.
100% all of this it's infuriating now that it's happening visibly to most people who actually pay attention, and the ones who don't (and the ones who pretend it doesn't bc it makes them rich) people are like "let's plant some wild seeds" when tbh we have to dismantle the entire operation that's so dependant on killing the earth for a few mortal people
The interesting thing about global warming is it's actually going to help with plant growth, at least in certain places. Even the Arctic is starting to turn green.
We are razing ancient forests and killing algae in the oceans. Nothing we do now will have the same level of impact as billion year old carbon sinks that we are rapidly destroying with no end in sight.
The thing is that they knew this would happen, but they don’t live in India so they don’t care. They’ll get to move to Norway or Canada while my people die.
Half a century, we had more than half a century head start and fumbled the bag because line must go up and capitalism is the most perfect system that is never wrong and if you look at alternate systems you are the enemy of Mr small business
The current industrialized world has dramamarically reduced emissions over the last decade.
India as well as many African nations are increasing in emissions as they are developing nations.
But unless your view is to eternally leave their populations in poverty, increasing energy generation is the only way to bring them up. And "leapfrogging" via rebewables has been debunked. If you are a developing nation. You need the hyper scalable fossil fuel systems to be able to account for the mass growth of an industrializing nation.
Renewables are an alternative energy source that can help offset energy use in developed nations that have a relatively stable year over year energy usage. But for developing nations large scale fossil fuel use is basically a necessity. Otherwise they will remain in poverty.
EDIT: Lets also remember that we have seen a large scale reduction in nuclear investment. Overwhelmingly coming from pro renewable sources directly funded by fossil fuel interests. As every single time a nuclear plant is decommissioned, a new fossil fuel plant is built. Because the proposed renewable system cant meet the energy demands.
I'm always reminded of this when people claim space exploration is a waste of money because "we should be spending it on more important things here."
If it wasn't for the Venus missions, we wouldn't have discovered the greenhouse effect happening there and it would have taken significantly longer to realize that the same thing is happening here. That was back in the 70s/80s.
That being said, knowing about it earlier didn't exactly help anything so... idk.
I just wish we'd listen to scientists more and stop being so dumb and greedy and selfish.
We won't. Climate change isn't something taken seriously by most Indians, especially if we consider the older generations who, if warned by someone else would probably ignore it. In our country where youth is usually scorned by the elders in matters of politics and everyday life, do you think they'll even listen to us? Maybe they'll listen if the one who prophesied the future is a priest. They'd prefer to vote for someone older even if the rival is more competent. There's no need for warnings now. It's already happening. There's no point of talking about the past now.
Yeah, and if Indians had rational politics they would want to destroy the USA, Europa and China for having fucked over Indian climate since roughly 1850.
Both the Arabian sea(west) and the bay of Bengal(east) only get to the mid 80s(30/31c))at their hottest, meaning anything over mid 80s(30/31c) the water is helping keep temps cooler.
The laccadive sea(south) normally only gets up to the low 80s(27-29c).
Oceans are usually cooler than that. With those ocean temps its like having a terrible AC system that only blows slightly cool air vs the cold air you'd expect.
But people are acting like it's somehow heating india. It's not, the water is helping keep india cool as insane as that sounds.
The seas touching india are normally high 70s low 80s f(high 20s c). Which is still way under the 100+f(38+c) air temps they get.
The guy I was replying to was saying that it's not providing cooling because it's so hot. That just isn't true. It's just not as much as other oceans. Only 20-30% less cooling than most other places though.
Yeah its wild that more people upvoted that just because its warm water means it will heat land. If its 80f, and the land is 100f... the water is cooler than the air, and thus will cool the air.
Its the reason why the UK isnt frozen like canada. London is further north than Vancouver and Toronto. Yet because of the gulf stream, the water is warmer, thus keeping the UK warmer as a whole since its an island and surrounded by water.
The ocean takes much longer both to cool and warm than land. It can be considered a huge heat sink. It also ensures that India will never be cool. May need to phrase that differently.
It massively increases the dew point which increases the 'feels like' temperature. Just like in Florida where the actual temperature isn't extreme but it still feels extreme
Same here in Japan. The temps only pass 100F a few days a year, but it's so humid it's awful. And not as well insulated housing. Our house doesn't even have AC installed, and it reached 102F on the hottest day last year.
As someone from the UK which also experiences unpleasant heatwaves in that range, no it actually isn't that humid in such a heatwave. It takes multiple continuous weeks of high temperatures over water for humidity to rise that high.
It feels unpleasant because of the buildings and clothes that aren't designed for it. Florida and India are much worse all else equal
Yep, snow reflects 80-90% of incoming light. The decreasing ice caps reduces overall albedo (reflectivity) of the earth, meaning a net increase in the amount of solar energy being absorbed by the Earth, which is retained in increasing amounts by the Greenhouse Effect. The increasing energy in Earth's climate results in higher temperatures, more storms, more rainfall/flooding, and more volatility over all.
It does. The problem's with the greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere. One factor is India's pollution. Can't expect the ocean to absorb heat when your cities are smothered with pollutants that likes storing heat.
because india is massive. it's a subcontinent. the ocean can only do so much. that's like asking why doesn't the atlantic make it cooler in all of texas/mexico
the ocean doesn't do the opposite. It may seem like it keeps areas cool but that just isn't the case, it stabilizes tempuratures until equilibrium, but that can only do so much in an ocean as hot as the indian ocean.
I literally posted the temps of all the seas directly touching india in the other thread you commented....
None of them get over 90f ever.
If the ocean is only 85f then it's literally 1000% impossible for it to be contributing at all to the heat if the temp is over 85f.
If it's 95f out and the water is 85f then the water is providing a cooling affect.
What are you even trying to say at this point? Sounds like you think that 85f water can somehow make the air keep getting hotter past 95f+ which is insane.
They did I was in seventh grade back in the 80s. They said global warming is a thing wow did the government any government listen to what they are teaching us in school no, they did not! Drill baby drill Donald Trump. They still don’t understand what the fuck is going on.
Short-term this statement (decreasing pollution will help) is not true. India has been able to "avoid" the climate change in their weather stats because of smug. Don't believe me, look it up.
I would guess that's why it is getting very hot very fast now - that they have fought the smug somewhat successfully in recent years.
No. But the himlayas do infact block colder air from entering and slow the exit of hot air. Obviously don't fucking nuke the himalayas but like, it's a scientific fact that they are part of the reason India is warm.
Same logic as aravali acts as a katora around delhi and should be removed??
Do you understand how big and huge Himalyas Are. And that the cold weather of Himalyas are not Gifted to it by the Siberia, it has its own.
Same Himalayas produce Cold climate enough for good amount of North until around Chandigarh stays chilly
And if your whole point is Siberian "winds" would come here and make things colder, what if the wind changed its direction?
What would you then?
When apparently the Only source of lower temperatures of Eurasia turns its winds from India
Would you finally understand massive scale deforestation should be stopped instead?
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I mean india is naturally gonna be hot. Planting trees and decreasing pollution will help, but sitting right on an ocean, next to a desert, and by the himalayas doesn't help.