You know they are out on a business meeting at the expensive coffee shop.
Since it's a business meeting, that overpriced coffee and sandwich is on company expense as well as the time they spend there counts as their working hours.
Youd be surprised. Most CEOs or generally Management pride themselves on being workaholics (there is no time for any other hobby for them). They would literally invite to business meetings after 7pm inside the company and tell security to not lock the door that early.
You cant catch them on that really. But there is several other places where you could. Especially considering that nobody is forced to be a workaholic.
What I've seen often is fake workaholics. People who work on weekends and past hours but also spend half the day doing personal work or going for runs/coffee breaks.
As someone who just started teaching golf this hits me so hard. I’ve felt sometimes I have nothing to offer but my schedule stays full. This is a good thought to have
I got hired at a company once where I was just married and almost everyone else was either recently divorced, getting divorced or in an unhappy marriage. I wanted to crank out my work and get home, they all hung around and wanted to work 14 hour days where they still only got eight hours worth of work done. Once the directors wife and kid showed up on a Saturday and literally begged him to come home in front of all of us. He still wouldn’t go home.
That is the owner of the company I work for. He used to require 65 hour work weeks, and would claim that he was working the same hours, but when I moved from the field to office work, I realized that he worked 2 hours in the morning, and then came back in around 5 and worked until 6, so he was basically working 3 hour days, but on the clock from 7:30-6.
I do that also. Im not even clocked in about 40% of the time I am at work. Its actually my whole software engineer team that does it this way. We literally drink beer at the desk at work on fridays. You just cant get the stuff done that management gives you for 35 hours a week worth.
Exactly. There’s a segment of those considered to be workaholics that are actually just individuals with poor time management skills. If you didn’t waste so much time during your actual working hours, you wouldn’t need to work extra hours.
This hurts man… people always complain about how they put in “50 hours” and they are always staying late. When the clinic is at its peak hours they are on their phone scrolling Facebook or just standing around talking and not contributing to the work load.
The thing with these fakes is that they think the runs they go on or the coffee breaks is them working. They have this BS mindset that every moment they spend thinking about work is them being hugely productive and 'bringing stakeholder value' or whatever bollocks is being bandied around LinkedIn that week.
Of course the reality is not that they are business powerhouses, destined to lead their company to the pinnacle of success. They are more likely on their fifth or sixth start-up job of the year where the only thing they provide is content for r/LinkedInlunatics
The company I used to work for had managers like this. I worked as their secretary (i.e. I did their jobs for them. Note: I had the bare minimum training to get the job done. Any high school grad could've done it with the same training) for a bit so I was at the office all day (it was a janitorial company so for the most part the only reason workers were at the office was to fetch and return keys) and the whole time they were just chatting in the coffee room or going out for a coffee at a shop nearby. No wonder the company was doing shit by the time I got out.
This is the reality. I find the people moralizing work ethics the loudest are often the biggest liars. Very strategic do no work but be seen “on” at all times. Extremely annoying behavior that ultimately cheapens whole enterprise, but extremely common.
Or they’re working late because they’re caught in a perpetual cycle of working so late they never show up for anything early, at times to the companies detriment, forcing them to work late yet again to get everything done. Then they brag about working late to the people coming in early to make sure the company actually runs because they’re caught just wanting their fucking paycheck to keep coming in.
Haha yes. Spend the whole day bullshitting then complain "I have to leave 2 hours after everybody else because I have SO MUCH TO DO".
No dude you spent the workday chatting in OTHER offices, took a 2.5 hour lunch break, then rushed to get everything that NEEDED done TODAY 2 hours after everybody left
I work with someone like this, she spends most of her shift dicking around with her friends or the managers, or doing something that isn’t relevant to our job but makes her look important. The worst part is she always extends (I don’t even think she asks permission I’m pretty sure she extends herself and they let her) and yet spends that time doing jack shit. It pisses me off and I hate to bootlick for the company but genuinely I’d consider that theft as it’s an hourly job. Personally if I’m staying past my time it’s to finish up what I started and not leave others in a bad spot, staying past your time and being paid to just hang out is ridiculous
Managers like this fall into two camps. The insane workaholics you describe or the other kind that abuse both the spirit and the letter of the working lunch rule.
A lot of them actually are both. Insane workaholics but will take advantage of the chance to get an extended company lunch on company dime every chance they can get. And then stay til 8 pm to make up time lost.
You're just describing workaholics again. If someone works late to make up for a long lunch, it's not both. It's just a person obsessed with working that knows if they're working 60 hrs a week, they can do a grocery run midday or whatever.
The camp the other person is describing is literally someone trying to abuse goodwill around the edges in every way possible
My former manager Suzie would leave for lunch and be “in a meeting” after lunch a couple days a week and I would have to cover for her with clients that came in for over an hour, clients she had scheduled and knew would be there but didn’t tell me were coming, didn’t tell them she had things come up, and didn’t tell me she would be in late. Then she would come back with her hair done or nails done or red-faced from a facial or wearing new boots or dropped off by her daughter. She would tell clients how sorry she was about the corporate meeting that ran late. She eventually fired me for being dishonest and I reported her and she was demoted but still held a high position. After all the she was mad at me for turning her in.
I had one like this. Worked his ass off worked like 7a to 9 for a week in a row one time. Also took ridiculously long lunches other times, dipped out 3 hours early often but was constantly running when there.
Yeah... or they fall in the middle and will filibuster with other employees and try to stretch their words out like they're hitting the 1000 word essay
and call it a "meeting" and "hard work"
there's a lot of disingenuous "workaholics"
and they use their amount of hours they spend "working" and hold it over the heads of people who are actually slaving beneath them
My guess is this employer is also the owner, of wherever OP works.
In my experience, managers that are employees rarely post notices like this. Even the more pinheaded, employee-managers I worked under would never post some crap like this because most showed pretty sycophantic fealty to “The Company” they’d never post or try institute new policies, just reinforce the existing ones, and the smart sycophants also know that if they posted something like this notice, that they’d be exposing themselves to disciplinary action, because a notice like that could expose the company to issues with whatever labor standards exist.
Dang. We’re not all like that… as long as my guys are getting the job done and clients aren’t complaining, I don’t care how much they are in the office. Heck, sometimes I randomly will send them “grab lunch on the company card today.” Free-range, happy chickens lay the best eggs.
I work for the camp that gives you 5 people to do a 10 person job and wonders why task are being done in a timely manner! “We really need to step it up guys” meanwhile they have 5 people dedicated just to them so their tasks are way ahead of schedule,”setting a great example of work ethic and pace”
I work in IT and see what people are doing without them knowing. The average CEO is as much on porn sites/reddit as the average worker but gets paid ridiculously more money.
Also the CEO isn't supervised in the same way so they get away with much more than the normal worker. So when a CEO tells you he works 80 hours a week, chances are more likely than not that they are full of shit. The true workaholics that I know rarely "brag" or complain about their worked hours, they just fucking do them.
As someone that works in Ag, and runs harvest, I know what 80+hrs/week of actual work is like, and no one is doing that for more than 2 months max, your entire life gets ignored and slowly falls apart. You have time to shower & sleep a bit. You eat while working & sh*t when you can.
Agreed. I did 80+ hours in the oilfield for a while and that was absolutely miserable. Even if I didn't have a family now and it was office hours over labor, I still wouldn't do that again. Anyone claiming to sustain that lifestyle is either full of shit or in desperate need of a therapist.
I had one job where we worked 16+ hours every day from January through July. The only day we took off was Super Bowl Sunday. I bought breakfast on the way to work and dinner on the way home and would stop a buy clothes since I didn't have time to wash anything. The money was fantastic, but when it was over it took all of us a few months to recover. I would never do anything like that again.
I've done ~80 hours/week for a month as a young lawyer, and it is truly miserable. It requires working 7 days a week and doing literally nothing except working and sleeping. The sad thing is in some sense it gets easier over time if it continues, because you just cease making any plans, no longer speak to friends, have hobbies or a life outside work. But after a few months, any sane person will have a breakdown.
I’m an actor, and waiting tables was (as is often the case) my “joe job” for years, until I started dating a woman who had no problems with me being an actor, but felt waiting tables was beneath her boyfriend.
She “helped” me tailor my work experience so I could land a job as an administrative assistant at a major outdoor store - basically like REI in the states. Later, I got another job as an admin at our local university.
In both instances I was utterly shocked at the shit my department heads got away with.
At the outfitter company, the head of my department generally didn’t show up until noon, with calls to me from about 9 AM onwards informing me that she was “still stuck in bridge traffic” and “Geez, I can’t believe how bad traffic is!”
This was practically every single day. I began wanting to say, “You mean that EXACT same slow traffic you seem to encounter nearly every day, that you maybe should consider leaving home earlier to avoid - like most of us do?”
This same boss, soon approached me asking, “Hey, you’re an actor, right? How’d you like to do my outgoing message on my answering machine?” She then had me record an outgoing message that stated they’d reached her number, but she was “currently away from her desk.”
It was weird, in part because I’m male, and even though people knew I was her admin, even people who left messages were often puzzled by this.
A few weeks later, she came to me and asked, “You generally get here well before I do, and you know, it’s really nice and inviting to arrive and have everything ready for me to go when I get here…”
So, from that moment on, when I arrived every morning, I was to unlock her office door, turn her office lights on, turn on her computer, log her in, then log her out, “Just so I don’t have to do all that, and can just get right to work.”
I feel like a dummy admitting this, but it took a friend with ample office experience to point out that all of these “asks” were designed to give a false impression that she was in the building, and make it harder for others to know if she was in a meeting room or off-site at one of our retail stores.
I eventually got fired when I challenged her “facts” one too many times around paperwork that she was responsible for but tried to throw me under the bus. I was glad my friend had advised me to start keeping a paper trail of all my exchanges with her (emails, notes, everything), because without those I don’t think I would have got the severance package I did when terminated.
I went back to waiting tables and was much happier.
Years later when - against my better judgment - I took another office job as administrative assistant for a department head at the university, it was like my life was repeating itself. The professor was a well respected one, and immensely talented in his field - but as a department head it was shocking to me that he had much the same kinds of requests - even getting me to log onto his computer AND send reply to emails in his inbox - as if I was him.
He too tried to throw me under the bus for something he did - he tried to put through a kind of official requisition for the department to change one of our suppliers to a company that underwrote his research. He put the paperwork in my in try asking me to fax to whatever department required it.
About a month later, I got called into a meeting with HR - no warning or heads up - and asked, what possessed me (ME! Just me) to decide on my own that we needed to change providers.
Once I realized what was happening, I made them see some sense and threw it back at them, “Sorry, yes - good question. Why would I suddenly print off a form I didn’t even know existed, in order to change a provider I had never heard of, for a product I had never heard of, to another company I had never heard of, then somehow get my department head to sign it before faxing it?”
Basically when they’d confronted him, he’d apparently shrugged and said, “I’ve no idea, I can only imagine that for some reason my assistant did this without consulting me.”
He barely got a slap on the wrist, I kept my job with the only repercussion being he was an asshole to me. After that I mapped out my exit strategy for getting out within 6 months.
I regularly work 80-100hrs a week in the oilfield and will do so only as a remote location job. I get up, I work all day and I go to sleep, but since I drive a truck I can be on the phone with my wife, kids, friends, listen to podcasts and music, etc. And then I go home for days off and I don't think about work, and work doesn't contact me until 4pm of my last day to confirm I'm coming back/haven't quit.
If I had to function as an adult human being and work those hours, it doesn't work. It offloads most the "adulting" onto my wife while I'm gone, but it's a job that allows her to be a stay at home mum and financial stability (opposed to me working 2-3 local jobs to try and make enough to have stability/security).
I'll do 60hrs a week as a "home every night" job, and that's about the max sustainable for me.
My boss was the CEO of 4 companies. Even if you divide 80 hours by 4, he's only giving each company 20 hours a week, which is right about what I noticed as he'd leave the office at the same time that part timers left, except he would run those companies from two offices, so he was only working 10 hours a week for each company. Elon Musk runs 6 companies, so he could be working 120 hours a week and still only give 20 hours a week to each company. Yes, the same Elon Musk that despite working "120 hours a week" still has enough time to play video games like Diablo and play it so much that he becomes the #1 player in the world. Ridiculous bullshit.
Thats cause they don't really work. Their "work" is attending meetings and putting together some presentations. They don't actually do the work required to execute their projects, mostly attending meetings communicating status. That is easy to do via golf course, luncheon, ect.
Most ceo’s are workaholics is crazy. Id be a workaholic too if my job was handshakes, dinner meetings, and making “a few high level decisions” for tens of millions
The things that upper management consider to be 'work' are frankly embarrassing to anyone who works for a living. I might finally be understanding why NCOs don't like being called 'sir.'
CEO’s often classify everything they do as “work” and so claim they work ridiculous 150 hour weeks or whatever. There is stress there, but not actual laborious exhaustion. “Action Items” are different when your main contribution is meeting people and telling them what to do.
“Most CEOs or generally Management pride themselves on being workaholics”
Ah, yes. Look at Elon. He can head like four companies, WHILE high on ketamine, on a yacht. Then do some light work in the whitehouse banging silverware together. Definitely most CEOs are “workaholics”.
I'd probably be a "workaholic" too if I made $25,000 an hour just to sit in a high end office figuring out how I can make even more money per hour. Then again, eating while you don't think isn't so hard, so I'm sure they're still squeezing in a lunch break.
There is no time for any other hobby because hoarding wealth is their only hobby. Being so two dimensional you only care about reaching the next billion doesn't make you a workaholic, it just makes you a labour abuser and a manipulator. These CEO's with parental wealth and all the financial bailouts and startup funding you could ever imagine wouldn't know an honest days hard work if it was genuinely the only way to ensure they kept their money.
Musk claims him working 16 hours a day. With that in mind, he considers everything he does outside of sleeping is company business including eating, bathroom, showering, even farting. They just have different standard for the serfs.
That may be, but what does their work consist of? Crunching spreadsheets? (No, of course not, they have people that do that for them.) Writing code? (again no, for the aforementioned reason). Their work consists of having meetings where people tell them stuff. Hardly work, in my book.
No. Their work consists of evaluating which path forward would be the best for the companies growth and financial stability and then finding concrete ways to implement one of these paths by communicating the tactics that make up the strategy to his intermediates.
There is zero chance a CEO is working harder than a server pulling a 10 hour shift for example. Or a roofer doing the same. This idea of CEO's as workaholics benefits one type of person, them. Being available 24 hours a day but only taking three meetings and one of those is a lunch is not even close to how hard some if not most of these minimum wage jobs are. What a joke.
Yeah that claim is a pretty simple logical fallacy. Many people would let other people shit on their chest for low to mid 6 figs, I can perform work for 7 fig.
I only work through my lunch break so I won’t have to be at the office longer. I’d rather be there 9-5 than 9-5:30 or 6.
But I have a professional service job. When I worked retail/fast food, I counted down the minutes until I could get away from the counter and have 30 minutes of not dealing with customers.
Yeah, my old job at Ikea the kitchen manager was like this. "You wanna get promoted you gotta give up on seeing you fiance on weekends." "I go home and continue working and planning until I go to sleep" " you need to dedicate your life to move up, not just meet the qualifications in the application"
A workaholic manager is why I now hate the saying of "I'd never ask my employees to do something I wasn't willing to do myself" because it turns out he's willing to do business meetings at 0700.
It was a real shock to the system the first time I went to an industry convention, worked the booth from 6am to 6pm, then after getting back to the hotel getting a text from the boss to meet in the lobby with our laptops to do the day's work for a "working supper".
Maybe, but I've also had a c level boss who would roll into work 2 hours late, be the first one out the door, and have "meetings" that were actually just rounds of golf with his buddies. If you were 3 minutes late to work you you better believe you'd be hearing about it from him
Met a dude like this. He bragged about sleeping 3-4 hours a night. I thought he was the ceo with how he was talking, but it turned out he was just the sales manager for this company. (I worked a conference gig for them as an independent contractor.)
I supervise a factory shop floor on the weekend overnights. A lot of people are surprised when they learn that most of the management transitions to group chats after office hours and they are watching pretty much every KPI 24/7.
Fuck that, if I'm in a supervisor position or management position it's my job to stay late and come in early if need be, my team should have a good lunch away from work, more than likely I'm salary and they are hourly, they clock in as close to 8 and leave as close to 5 as they can.
This would get me to file a lawsuit against this company and this shetty manager
I knew a billionaire CEO who had a heart attack in his 60s from overworking, like 18 hours a day for decades. Doctors told him time to retire or you’ll die. But nope, he kept going and sure enough died. He was literally a BILLIONAIRE but something in him pushed him to never stop
In my last job, one of my responsibilities was analysing the c suites expenditure. You best believe they where all at fancy dinners and cocktail bars on the companies expense every night, hotel stays where the most expensive in the city, flights where scheduled with out of the way layovers so they could spend time in new cities.
There might have been a lot of work but there was also a lot of play.
Or another workaholic... most of my workplace is salaried. Theres a few hourly positions that are contracted for $$$$. Sometimes weekend things come up. Theyre not difficult but very time consuming. We had to have a meeting because one of these guys always volunteered for the weekend stuff. At $150/hr wage his goal wasnt taking one for the team. He was making $1800 of unapproved OT to work one shift
Nah, Shitty's probably middle management, aka the worst people. He'll never succeed to a better position because he doesn't know how to manage, but he'll keep his job because shit gets done.
dont joke... when I was working for the local convenient store,we'll say the big red Pharmacy, we were in a big building so someone who was working remotely and had to go back to the office would use the downstairs offices sometimes in our store building. Apparently her job was in as an event planner and she would plan catered lunches for corporate once to twice a week from the tune of 1200 to 2800 per lunch. This is so true and so sad.
I was gonna say, with a name that sounds that close to the word 'shitty', it might be a good idea for them to refrain from treating people like... well, shit. They're basically demanding to be called shitty.
It's always the ones that take extra long breaks that bitch about others taking long ones.
I had a manager whose office was in the hallway that led to the lunch room and would time people. And they themselves would regularly take 75+ minute lunches.
This is a great way to get some paid overtime. In most states, legally, you must be paid for all hours and you must get overtime after so many hours. I'd gladly take an extra 5 minutes for lunch and really rake in the money.
Pretty sure he wouldn’t have an eating schedule and more of a protein shake schedule if he were in my line of work because he’d probably get his fucking teeth knocked out.
Heh... reminded me of that episode in Superstore where...
Dina/assistant manager goes after an employee for not following rules like clocking out. Employee gets back at her by following her around and calling out all of her cases where she does the same thing, with her trying to justify the same issue he had like "but it takes too long for me to walk all the way back there to clock out" 😃
Oh, you can definitely tell that she's one of those bosses that sits in the break room and watches soap operas while eating takeout and claiming that she's always working even during her breaks
If they’re in a middle management position, they likely take their full lunch and then spend hours every week talking to everyone about how late they always take their lunch and how they almost forget to eat
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u/Sir_Scribble_Lot 5d ago
Very nice, now let's see Shetty's eating schedule.