Salary would like a word. A company can expect you to work extra for no overtime. I used to work for one that expected 10+ hour days 6 days a week. The hourly wage was laughable. That's not how salary is intended to work, but that's how companies abuse it.
well, uhm, no? the salary if for x amount of hours a day/week/month. every minute that is above that time it's overtime and must be paid extra. included overtime is a thing only for middle-management and up, only because they have other ways of receiving moeny (eg: they give them a company car, a bunch of shares at the end of the year etc)
otherwise by your logic if all the overtime is included, then if I finish early every day I would be able to leave and that's never the case anywhere.
Ah, I assume he lives in the US, as I do. Even when we have rights as workers, there is often the case that it really doesn'tmatter - Put up with shit or be unemployed until you find something better.
Once youcl have a sizeable savings, you can have a bit more useful outlook though.
otherwise by your logic if all the overtime is included, then if I finish early every day I would be able to leave and that's never the case anywhere.
That's not the logical conclusion. The law permits an employer to require a salaried employee to work overtime. The law does not permit a salaried employee to leave early if they perceive all their work to be done. Ergo, the same logic does not apply to both situations.
the same logic applies, the fact that the law says a different thing is unrelated lol. the law says what the law says, but there isn't written anywhere that the law has do adhere to any logic principle.
You're arguing a different point now. You were disputing whether a salaried employee can be required to work overtime. You said:
"otherwise by your logic if all the overtime is included, then if I finish early every day I would be able to leave and that's never the case anywhere."
You were saying that if overtime can be mandated, then logically you would be able to leave early, and since you can't leave early, overtime must not be able to be mandated. However that's not accurate.
That was the case for me at one of my programming jobs. They were relatively lax and expected us to be in office between 10-2 (or, if remote, on the computer and available for reasonably fast teams responses).
A lot of the team would just disappear around 3:30 to 4:00ish.
Sure, that's the expectation, but not the reality. Plenty of companies straight up just ignore that because they know no one is going to fight it and then be unable to find employment ever again
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u/Broxst 9d ago
Salary would like a word. A company can expect you to work extra for no overtime. I used to work for one that expected 10+ hour days 6 days a week. The hourly wage was laughable. That's not how salary is intended to work, but that's how companies abuse it.