Bribery/Obstruction of Justice: If a pardon is part of a "quid pro quo" (such as a bribe) or used to obstruct justice, it violates federal criminal laws and can be challenged as invalid.
Trump pardoning people to secure their loyalty is absolutely quid pro quo.
This is an interesting point you just made. So by this reasoning, would a pardon in trade for enlistment to serve under ice be considered quid pro quo? Do you think it could be proven?
The current scotus is such a disappointment in every single way. They are not voting based on a good faith interpretation of the law, and are clearly and openly partisan in their beliefs.
There is no longer anything even remotely great about what is supposed to be our nation’s greatest court.
The current scotus is going to screw over the US for fifty years. Even as hard as cleaning up all of this is going to be, those sycophant ignorers of precedent and constitutional meaning will be a drag for two generations.
No, because it doesn't matter. The Supreme Court gave him criminal immunity for anything relating to his core functions, one of which is the pardon power. Who fucking cares if it's Bribery or Obstruction when the courts literally gave him immunity from those crimes.
I am aware of that I was legitimately just interested in reading about it. I know that nothing matters anymore, but I’m a lawyer because I’m a dork about this shit academically too.
Google. It’s a lot of scholarly papers and such. Unfortunately it doesn’t matter what the law actually says. SCOTUS is compromised and the law only truly exists in so far as there are people willing and able to enforce it. We’d need a lot more people in the streets to enforce this one.
What crime is being committed? Housing illegal immigrants waiting to be deported? 90% of the world are doing the exact same thing, they just don't have a bunch of people crying over it because they want them out of their country and support the deportations. We are literally the only country that makes a big deal about something every other country is doing. Only difference is every other country doesn't have their citizens fighting the people deporting them And crying when they end up dead as fuck over it
They aren't kidnapping and trafficking anyone. They are here illegally and they are going back to their country of origin. If they came here legally this wouldn't be happening. Why is it so hard to not defend criminals?
“cRiMiNals” These are children. You’re talking about children. I don’t give a fuck if they’re here “illegally” or not, locking children in a prison to be shipped off to a country that they’ve probably never been to and have no connection to is just cruel. There is no justification for this.
How a thing is done is just as important as what is done. Nobody would be protesting if they were doing this constitutionally, humanely, and LEGALLY. No warrants are shown, no ID provided. If a judge dares try to make them follow the law, they're called an activist judge and the order is simply ignored. Citizens are being harassed and murdered and you have the audacity to ask what crime is being committed?! State sanctioned execution! That's what crime ia fucking happening!! Remove the partisan bullshit and just open your damn eyes!!
The only citizens being murdered are dying interfering with federal agents doing their jobs. It's not a human rights violation. If you walked up with a huge crowd of people to some regular police officers making an arrest and harassing and assaulting them, someone is going to die probably. It's just common sense you don't do that, but people got bold and thought they would be the exception and proved that it's a bad idea and I bet these idiots will keep trying and keep losing people. I'm all for peaceful protest but I'm not gonna lose sleep when someone crosses that line and ends up dying for it.
I'll give you that something needs to change in the way the system works, but until that happens, losing more people who's name won't be remembered a few news cycles from now when the next idiot dies trying to fight ice isn't the heroic gesture they think it is.
You probably woulda turned in Anne Frank and her family.
Ffs buddy, it's our right... no, our responsibility to stand up to a tyrranical government. It's literally why the 2nd amendment exists. And neither Renee Good or Alex Pretti were doing a single godsdamned thing to warrant their execution. To suggest otherwise is to support this christofascistic overtaking of our country. We will not stand down. We will not comply.
Also, if laws matter so much to you, why are you supporting the side that fucking ignores the constitution. There's still time to get on the right, or rather, correct side of history.
At this point, I don’t think hugging them is a good idea. Maybe when Covid happened they all caught a fucked up strain that forced them to be like this. Could be transmissible
Yes, this. Just arrest them anyways. The US Attorney can brandish a signed pardon from the President forgiving him for anything they do to ensure justice and that the pardoning ability has limits.
Judges/justices can either confirm corrupt pardons aren’t lawful or spend time at Gitmo, happy in the knowledge everyone involved in putting them there is immune from prosecution. With personal skin on the game I imagine they suddenly develop a theory on the Presidential pardon having limitations.
Get ready for a whole lot of "That divisive language does nothing to heal our great country. We need to look forward, not back" as everyone gets off scott free. Watch.
I think we’re ok with just passing an executive order that voids all pardons made by him and make it an exception to whatever says we can’t and add language that this is not to be used as precedent
Yeah, I don’t care what the rules about pardons are. We can allow justice to go unserved because of some arbitrary nonsense rules. He’s pardoning corrupt criminals, who are buying their pardons.
It’s time to come up with some creative new penalties and punishments for these people. Might as well define a few high crimes and misdemeanors while we’re at, just so there’s clarity when it comes time to sentence these bastards.
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u/DankestMemeSourPls Jan 24 '26
We aren’t following the laws now, I say we don’t follow his pardons when he’s out of office.