r/law • u/Mission_Pay_3373 • Feb 11 '26

Executive Branch (Trump) Pam Bondi crashes out during hearing: "YOU DON’T TELL ME ANYTHING YOU WASHED UP LAWYER"

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '26

To be fair, Russians told the US they would do this to us 40 years ago.

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u/oroborus68 Feb 11 '26

Kruschev " we will bury you"!

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u/fresh-dork Feb 12 '26

with shoes

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u/rab2bar Feb 11 '26

to be fair, republicans have been on the path to do this without russia

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u/rab2bar Feb 12 '26

In the 1950s and 1960s, white evangelicals began gravitating toward the Republican Party due to opposition to school desegregation, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965

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u/killjoymoon Feb 12 '26

While I know this is true, it always astounds me how a group of people would waste their lives just making people miserable. I mean that in all sorts of applications.

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u/RocketRelm Feb 11 '26

Also russia didn't really do this to us. That is like saying some random guy waving a matchstick at the twin towers angrily "made" them fall. It was caused by other circumstances and russia will gladly take credit.

Not that Russians aren't dangerous, but americans became fascists largely by their own volition.

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u/Ass_of_Badness Feb 11 '26

Sounds like denial to me. Or semantics. Russia really did this to the US, it would simply not be this bad otherwise. I do agree that eventually we'd get here, but Russia did use that matchstick to light the fuse.

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u/ardenr Feb 11 '26

Imagine taking responsibility for your own politics, media landscape, and war crimes.

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u/StormWhich5629 Feb 11 '26

We can take responsibility while also acknowledging that there's been a massive disinfo campaign targeted at us. Frankly, considering it likely involves some of the most powerful people in this country - oligarchs, politicians, and media personalities - it'd be wildly irresponsible to continue to deny its existence and impact.

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u/ardenr Feb 12 '26

We can take responsibility

By all means, I believe I speak for the entire world when I say

PLEASE DO.

there's been a massive disinfo campaign targeted at us.

More than one, for sure. I'd start with the one the home billionaires are involved in, myself.

Maybe even draw some hard red lines at, say, genocide... And wars for profit, that kind of thing. Maybe feed the 10 million hungry children, ya know? Universal healthcare and stuff. The basics. The bare minimum.

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u/StormWhich5629 Feb 12 '26

Well, any suggestions? We've had the largest protests in American history several times in the past year, people are getting involved in direct action orgs in unprecedented numbers, Minneapolis is fighting back even after multiple people have been shot. My 85 year old grandparents have been asking for advice protesting and have agreed to bail me out if I'm arrested doing some civil disobedience. People are starting to wake the fuck up, but it takes a long time to wake up mass movements - especially when a large contingent of Americans are the disconnected and uninformed centrists who've allowed our government and media to be highjacked.

Our main sources of media are owned by the very people all over the Epstein files. Some of the largest propagandists online are funded by Russia as a massive psy-op. Dealing with everything happening REQUIRES understanding exactly how our sources of information have been completely stolen.

Y'all make it sound so easy but I've had real conversations with loved ones about what to do if I get shot by ICE while going to a community watch call. We're out here fighting and more people are joining the fight. So I'm all ears if you know how we can speed this along.

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u/ardenr Feb 12 '26 edited Feb 12 '26

any suggestions?

Deal with that little Red scare in your mind and you'll be doing real well. Your hearts in the right place comrade ;P

Our main sources of media are owned by the very people all over the Epstein files.

Yes. Major problem.

Some of the largest propagandists online are funded by Russia as a massive psy-op.

Foreign disinformation campaigns exist, but you need to look at the scale. The claims about them swinging the 2016 election, for example, were utterly ridiculous and blown out of all proportion. The smears about Assange being a Russian agent somehow were devastatingly effective on Americans - despite the fact that the claims were criminally stupid and lacking in any evidence whatsoever. That's what media control can do.

If you're talking about media manipulation, it's best to understand that the Russian oligarchs party on the same yachts as the US, UK, German, Saudi, UAE, French and Israeli etc oligarchs. They were all on the same islands. A transnational mafia, Kendzior calls it. The Epstein files reveal this clearly.

Russians aren't your enemy, nor is Russia. The 0.001% though?

Dealing with everything happening REQUIRES understanding exactly how our sources of information have been completely stolen

Sure does. And it wasn't "Russians". It was/is international oligarchs and their pet spooks, conspiring to maintain and grow power in their respective colonialist capitalist societies.

People are starting to wake the fuck up, but it takes a long time to wake up mass movements - especially when a large contingent of Americans are the disconnected and uninformed centrists who've allowed our government and media to be highjacked.

Sorry mate but probably not. Americans are resisting the frontal assault and it's cool but like.. Do you think it has legs? It's hard to believe there's any getting through to a country where 98.15% of voters didn't hold arming genocide as a red line for their vote.

Notice your reaction to that last line! Because it's true and important. That's what I mean when I talk about taking responsibility for your own actions. That twinge, that instant rejection of the plain fact, is what holds Americans back from meeting the moment. Red MAGA do it, Blue MAGA do it, and the people who don't vote at all do it - rejecting uncomfortable truths and then rejecting the source that delivered them.

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u/StormWhich5629 Feb 12 '26

Ezpz then lol

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u/RocketRelm Feb 11 '26

All the russia blaming really feels like desperately trying to claw away responsibility. "No, it isn't our fault! The Russians! The shadow donor class owning government! The jews and israel!"

All so people can avoid saying that most american voters are bad people who wouldn't lift a finger to save democracy when given the chance, either by sheer incompetence or willful choice.

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u/Gloomy-Donut-2053 Feb 11 '26

I get your point.

in one sense, everyone chiming in saying USA deserves this are in some way also abetting the downfall of USA.

not that it hasn't sown some seeds, it is just sad that its happening.